Ogres x Amani , what would be a better choice as a playable race for the horde?

[Triceron]

Kul'tiran have a completely different body form to standard humans. Simply making the standard human model fatter wouldn't have worked, because you'd have to reshape the armour and modify the animations to fit them, and at that point you're essentially making a new race.

Yes, so we can look at Kul Tiran as the standard. We're KT any different to Humans prior to BFA? No. Not fatter, not any different.

They were reimagined. They were given a new model.

Dark Iron probably could have been part of the standard dwarf customisation options, though their burning beards make them quite distinct

Yes. They were given a distinction. Did burning beards exist in Cata? No.

Allied Races are given unique traits.

Why would we expect any less if WH get an AR treatment? What makes DI different when dark skin could have been a customization option just like Tattooes?

Mag'har could have been standard orcs, as the standard orcs are pretty much just those clans but green. They are culturally very similar and there's little reasons most of their customisation options wouldn't be shared.

Here's the difference in how we see things. When I say Wildhammer, I am talking about culture. I am not talking about the Dwarf tattoo customizations or the NPCs. I am looking at the potential for exploration.

I am looking at a potential access to Wildhammer Druids and Gryphon-themed bear/car forms. I am looking at Wildhammer Shamans that have unique totems. I am looking at what can be explored.

Because that is how Blizzard approaches new Races. They didn't just give us Kul Tiran that were just Humans, they explored them through unique class and cultural hooks.

The question of whether something should be an allied race essentially comes down to is this faction physiologically or culturally distinct enough to existing player races to warrant being an allied race

That is not a faxtor at all. Kul Tirans were originally NOT chosen to be playable. Kul Tiran were always depicted as Human.

Races are GIVEN differences whenever cultural or physiological differences don't exist. They literally invent it.

We're Gilneans or Kul Tiran actually different from any other Humans? Not in any depiction prior to Cata Worgen and BFA KT.

These kingdoms were given differences to become races.

Why is this somehow different to Orc Clans or Elven Tribes? The only stipulation is whether Blizzard chooses to explore them as races, whether they choose to reimagine them.

These choices don't start physically. Kul Tiran were not picked to be playable because of their looks or culture (which did not formally have differences to Human, ala Jaina and Proudmoore). What differences exist now, from tide sages to Drust heritage to large bodies, was all reimagined for the AR.

The only factor to them playable is because Kul Tiras was being featured in the story and setting of BFA.. Developers felt guilty for Zandalari being playable while Alliance only had Dark Iron in response. They had no intention of adding KT because of physiology or culture, that was all adapted to the decision to make KT playable as their own race. You can read about this in development of their race on wowpedia.

[Mecheon]

They used the same model as Dwarves and were literally a reskin.

Dwarf also has stoneform as a racial. If Blizzard wanted to, the rock skin could have just been a customization and skin option, just like Darkfallen for Night Elves.

Also, no one asked for Earthen to be a playable race. We didn't need their rock or crystal looks. Blizzard just decided to give it to us.

Like is there any good reason you can use to explain Earthen being playable but Amani are a cheap customization? Having a unique model is obviously not the highest priority for how they pick making Allied Races.

The Earthen model has been unique ever since Wrath and not just a dwarf reskin. Based on dwarves, yeah, but unlike Darkfallen who are just the same base model with a new texture, the Earthen are a new model which was modified and re-used for Cata in Deephome. See also the Iron Dwarves and their unique model

Earthen have always been a low popularity choice but there's been some desire to at least grab it, though their popularity was low. Not the most desired but, they were at least common enough to go 'Yeah that's a regular request'

I stick by my same old reason: Low uptick on the vast majority of Allied races from BFA (and aftermath from the whole faction debacle) means they're focusing on neutral races instead. Amani aren't going to be neutral in that sense.

[Syegfryed]

They used the same model as Dwarves and were literally a reskin.

With is far more than just a tattoo and a mohawk, so again, false comparison.

Dwarf also has stoneform as a racial.

they can turn into stone temporally, they cant be made of stone all the time

would be quite stupid to make a stone race to "turn into stone" as racial.

Also, no one asked for Earthen to be a playable race. We didn't need their rock or crystal looks. Blizzard just decided to give it to us.

Thats irrelevant, they still were different than normal dwarves.

[Triceron]

With is far more than just a tattoo and a mohawk, so again, false comparison.

Actually, it wasn't.

Earthen did not have unique hair styles. They used Dwarf hair and were only a reskin before TWW gave them an overhaul.

they can turn into stone temporally, they cant be made of stone all the time

Customizations would make it look that way. Look at NE Darkfallen, you are undead all the time as long as you use it.

Is it stupid too? Sure is. Blizzard still made it happen.

Thats irrelevant, they still were different than normal dwarves.

And before BFA were Kul Tiran different from normal Humans?

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I stick by my same old reason: Low uptick on the vast majority of Allied races from BFA (and aftermath from the whole faction debacle) means they're focusing on neutral races instead. Amani aren't going to be neutral in that sense.

Makes sense. Neutral AR seems to be the new direction, at least until they eventually shift back towards Red vs Blue.

[Syegfryed]

Actually, it wasn't.

Earthen did not have unique hair styles. They used Dwarf hair and were only a reskin before TWW gave them an overhaul.

.... yes evidently

Reskin>>>hair style

lmao, what are you even trying to say here.

Customizations would make it look that way. Look at NE Darkfallen, you are undead all the time as long as you use it.

Is it stupid too? Sure is. Blizzard still made it happen.

Blizzard choosing to make different customisation into allied races OR jut shoving then into customisations is not the point here

the point is, these shit NEED TO BE ACTUALL DIFFERENT

All the examples that exist that became allied races were different, no exception.

And before BFA were Kul Tiran different from normal Humans?

He could not now, he never went to kul'tiras to see what was happening there, but we all saw the wildhammer and they are the same

[Triceron]

He could not now, he never went to kul'tiras to see what was happening there, but we all saw the wildhammer and they are the same

And they can change that any time.

We saw Zandalari and Amani, their looks also changed. Multiple times for Zandalari.

Dark Iron also changed and we saw them since BlackRock Depths in Vanilla. Where did the firebeards come from again? They didn't have them in Vanilla.

[Ardenaso]

Alteraci Humans would be better than the two

Jokes aside, it's Ogres for me; it's long overdue

[Syegfryed]

And they can change that any time.

We already went to hinterlands and twilight highlands, they were never different ever.

We saw Zandalari and Amani, their looks also changed. Multiple times for Zandalari.

They always looked different, even in vanilla the zandalari were distinct looking from the darkspear, unlike the wildhammer

Dark Iron also changed

they also were different even without firebeards

Like i said, your argument is build entirelly on false comparisons and "what if they do what i want even though there is no reason" and you keep the Ad nauseam all the time

[Capivara]

I agree! Bump.

Srsly that's roughly the size I had imagined a playable Ogre would be about. Aside from their goofy nature and appearance, Ogres in WoW seemed to be a cool race because of the history and lore behind them. Hell I wouldn't mind TWO playable races, Ogres, and HALF-Ogres ala Rexxar. I imagine a Half-Ogre to be more or less an Orc but a bit bulkier, slightly taller with different skin tone options.

people compain too much about the ogre size, every enemy is bigger in the game for gameplay purposes, just look at anduin for exemple as a boss and as an npc.
tauren-sized ogres are great, and IMO, i don't see them adding two hadded ogres. it is too much trouble for a race that they already don't want to add, regular ogres with one head would be really ok to me,

two hadded can be added later, and i would fucking love playing a chubby female ogre like the ones in heartstone cards.

[Futhark]

Still waiting.

[Zodiark]

Still waiting.

Looks a little crazy but I would totally play a Kul-Tiran Half ogre before playing an actual Kul-Tiran. I feel like the game definitely could benefit from another Big goofy, bestial/tribalistic race. It would fit so many different themes with the armor and such.

[Reym96]

Its actually Gregg the Ogre at Pre legion, he brought his own smooth boulders for the catapults as he says, and he wants to join the horde

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I dont think it was ever retconned, the captial did change to the Shatthra site yes, but they never said the continent never existed. The continent still exist in AU Draenor. And it probably is gone in our timeline or floating.

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I dont think it was ever retconned, the captial did change to the Shatthra site yes, but they never said the continent never existed. The continent still exist in AU Draenor. And it probably is gone in our timeline or floating.

[loras]

There are plenty of intelligent MU ogres though. I do like the rugged Roman aesthetic, but they could bring that back by establishing a new home for the Ogres on Azeroth. Have Rexxar bring the Stonemaul and Draenor Ogres together to build a new home. Maybe even revamp Feralas and show their new stronghold as having that aesthetic, having been built up with inspiration from the Gorian Ogres.

I do agree that the Gorian Ogres in WoD would have been the perfect time to add them, and I am sad we never got to see the promised Ogre continent, but I think for where we're at in WoW currently, it would better serve the setting to focus on the exisiting Ogres.



Titan Vrykul should have been in TWW instead of Earthen, imo.

Vrykul aren't really that big on the underground thing, but frankly there have been opportunities almost every expansion since their introduction bar SL and WoD.

[Alanar]

Still waiting.

I rather see them use their excisting models, but updated.

Guess what? They literally already updated the moonkin animations(model) which IS the Ogre model. No need for kul tiran ogres lol.

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Vrykul aren't really that big on the underground thing, but frankly there have been opportunities almost every expansion since their introduction bar SL and WoD.

Yup, there were opportunities.

The end of Legion, the Vrykul there now have renewed hope and a new god queen. Our best bet is TlT, but I feel we wont get them then either.

TlT will include, reskins. Mark my words: blue dwarves, blue trolls or taunka (tauren reskin with a different face)
Reskins and reskins. No new stuff like Vrykul as much as I want them, I dont see it happening. Still much cooler then any Northend reskins.

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people compain too much about the ogre size, every enemy is bigger in the game for gameplay purposes, just look at anduin for exemple as a boss and as an npc.
tauren-sized ogres are great, and IMO, i don't see them adding two hadded ogres. it is too much trouble for a race that they already don't want to add, regular ogres with one head would be really ok to me,

two hadded can be added later, and i would fucking love playing a chubby female ogre like the ones in heartstone cards.

Size is a bad argument nowadays anyway. They can easily size them to work just fine and most doorways are much bigger now.

[ReleaseDay]

I want an ogre with two heads

[Al Gorefiend]

The end of Legion, the Vrykul there now have renewed hope and a new god queen. Our best bet is TlT, but I feel we wont get them then either.

TlT will include, reskins. Mark my words: blue dwarves, blue trolls or taunka (tauren reskin with a different face)
Reskins and reskins. No new stuff like Vrykul as much as I want them, I dont see it happening.

The players have requested Vrykul as a playable race for 16 years now. I am sure TLT will give us alied race of neutral Tauren reskin

[Enrif]

The players have requested Vrykul as a playable race for 16 years now. I am sure TLT will give us alied race of neutral Tauren reskin

Taunka would be dope, and were among the first race people wanted in a subrace/allied race style back in the day. And they would be more different to normal trauren, compared to moose antler highmountain. But Taunka were only horde aligned if memory servers right. Alliance would have to get either frostborne dwarves (another dwarf reskin), real meachagnomes, or vrykul. Can't think of another northrend race that would fit into the alliance. Wolvar are neutral (could use the vulpera skeleton for their race i guess), Gorlocs are neutral, Tuskarr are neutral, Drakkari... i guess are neutral-ish but would likely align with zandalar more. Snowbolds, like Kobolds are unlikly. Magnatauers are unlikely, Frost Giants are unlikely. Did i forget someone from Northrend? .. i guess an undead race? Like San'layn or Skeleton undead?