Trader's Gilded Brutosaur Auction House Mount Now Available on the WoW Shop

[LordVargK]

Yeah, and? Just because you can doesn't mean you should is the entire point here. Whales and dolphins are a plague on the gaming industry and people gladly pointing out they're apart of the problem baffle me.

What I'm saying is not that 78€ are the right price. But, for many people it did not matter if the price was 20€ or 78€, because they had more than enough gold anyway. Gold has no real value, so there's little difference if you have to spend 500k or 2 Million. And both prices were cheaper than the original mount at 5 Million gold.

[Just Passing through]

Eh, it’s more hoping people just stop the conversations not pertaining the the forum without actually reporting anything yet.

Haha...good luck with THAT - this is almost the definition of a popcorn thread where ideologies clash. Though I guess the original discussions about the Sparkly Pony or about how Age of Conan or SWoToR or Aion would DEFINITELY kill WoW are legues beyond this - not least because MMO-C had way more active members in 2008-2012

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Yeah, and? Just because you can doesn't mean you should is the entire point here. Whales and dolphins are a plague on the gaming industry and people gladly pointing out they're apart of the problem baffle me.

First time I hear the term "dolphins" in a gaming context and Google isn't helping me. As for Whales - in a WoW environment, they would be really really tiny Whales. There is just not much to spend at the end of the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EcLbewUexg - actual whales in truly predatory games are crazy. (again, disclaimer - it doesn't mean I think the WoW shop situation is acceptable etc etc bla bla bla... also ..emphasis on WoW, Blizzard themselves are totally capable of going down the shitty route F2P and extort players like with Diablo Immortal)

[VMSmith]

First time I hear the term "dolphins" in a gaming context and Google isn't helping me.

A dolphin when it comes to MTX is someone who spends more than the average but is far from being a whale. If the average WoW player spends $25/mo on the game (sub+some mtx) and the typical whale spends over $1000+/mo, then a dolphin would be in the $100-400 range, most likely.

[Ereb]

A dolphin when it comes to MTX is someone who spends more than the average but is far from being a whale. If the average WoW player spends $25/mo on the game (sub+some mtx) and the typical whale spends over $1000+/mo, then a dolphin would be in the $100-400 range, most likely.

Y'all are so desperate to label absolutely everything under the sun I swear lol...

[Just Passing through]

A dolphin when it comes to MTX is someone who spends more than the average but is far from being a whale. If the average WoW player spends $25/mo on the game (sub+some mtx) and the typical whale spends over $1000+/mo, then a dolphin would be in the $100-400 range, most likely.

Makes sense...still hard to spend 100 dollars regularely on WoW, I guess. Unless you constantly want to change realms, races etc etc, but I guess that is not what Whales etc are usually about.

[VMSmith]

Makes sense...still hard to spend 100 dollars regularely on WoW, I guess. Unless you constantly want to change realms, races etc etc, but I guess that is not what Whales etc are usually about.

It's not really that hard to spend that much. Buy five tokens for $100 to get the gold to buy carries in the raid.

People are always talking about how they play WoW for free by buying tokens with gold, but they forget that someone had to spend the $20 to create that token in the first place ... and there's almost always tokens available on the AH.

[Just Passing through]

It's not really that hard to spend that much. Buy five tokens for $100 to get the gold to buy carries in the raid.

People are always talking about how they play WoW for free by buying tokens with gold, but they forget that someone had to spend the $20 to create that token in the first place ... and there's almost always tokens available on the AH.

Yeah - but that is why I wrote "regularely". Not sure how many tokens you are allowed to buy in a certain time though...if there is no limit - then indeed you can spend that all the time. That said...current asking price for the Big G is under 2,5 tokens - even with the carries I see a natural limit. On the other hand...what do I know about spending habits of people - maybe somebody buys weekly HC 8/8 raid carries with VIP treatment on 10 alts.

[Mendzia]

It's worth $90 to me more than Assassin's Creed 92 or CoD 7000 or whatever tf else is worth $90 to me.

Just out of curiosity... where is your point "fuck no - it's too expensive"?
200$? 400$? 1000$?
How exactly do you measure that value?

I agree AC/CoD are dogshit. I'd rather flush money in toilet than buy these games. Picking any of these to make a point is horrible idea.

[Nzx]

Just out of curiosity... where is your point "fuck no - it's too expensive"?
200$? 400$? 1000$?
How exactly do you measure that value?

I agree AC/CoD are dogshit. I'd rather flush money in toilet than buy these games. Picking any of these to make a point is horrible idea.

That entirely depends on so many factors it doesn't really warrant discussion. I doubt that I would spend any more than the cost of the Brutosaur on any single in-game cosmetic, particularly not in WoW. On the other hand, I'm expecting I'll probably buy the $240 PoE supporter pack given how much content and enjoyment that game has given me this year. There's plenty of entertainment out there that would cost far more than even the $480 pack for a fraction of the time. I'm aware that puts me in a privileged position compared to many people, and I wouldn't buy any of these things just so that I can use them in front of people who would like to have them but can't afford them. For PoE in particular I love the game they make and I want them to continue making it, so I pay what I believe is a reasonable value for what they produce and in return I get some fancy glowy shit to make my character look cool.

To your spoiler, that's literally the point I'm making. Assassin's Creed and CoD and every other AAA game that I can recall having released in the last half decade or so do not interest me in the slightest. I don't care about story-driven games, I don't care about 60 hour long single player experiences. Some people do, and they don't care about a dinosaur with an auction house on it in WoW, so they buy another game instead. It's their money, their choice.

There are so many far more problematic in-game purchases in gaming right now that it is crazy to me how much people have a problem with this one. There's a thread full of people on this forum spending way more money on slot machine pulls to get a slightly better version of a half-naked anime character than the one they already have. Go tell them how they're killing gaming or whatever. Once you've solved that, and lootboxes, and ultimate team, and trading card games, maybe then you can come back and start telling people how their one-off purchase of a mount is the end of the world.

[Altmer]

We are back to the question - what is not silly? Are you telling me wasting money on smoking, gambling or gatting hammered is not silly and people aren't "being played"? Why do all kinds of dumb things get a pass, but in gaming it suddenly is a problem? I personally thing among the stupidest things people could buy are NFTs or Memecoins - yet they do.

Obviously I have a hard time wording this in a way that it doesn't come across as "defending Blizzard" - it is not meant that way, it is rather giving people the freedom, liberty and the right to decide about their own money.

And to keep this about Blizzard - even if I don't buy the mount - I would rather spend my money on it than buy a ticket to Blizzcon (even if that ticket was also 90 dollars)

Because video game addiction is as bad as smoking or gambling. We need to stop making this a normal thing. Loot boxes, shop items, WoW Tokens and other virtual items purchased by real money, is nothing more than addiction. 90USD is a lot for something as silly like a mount. Shame on Blizzard for getting away with this, because of the lack of regulation.

[Just Passing through]

Because video game addiction is as bad as smoking or gambling.

If you do belive it (and it sounds so) then I am afraid that regulations won't work - because they do not work for gambling (in fact, gambling, especially for sport results) now is worse than ever before, the EU actually made it more easy for people to participate and are regulations just a joke for alcohol and smoking (unless you look to scandinavian countries) . And especially with smoking you see how companies find new shameless ways to keep people addicted with vapes.

Yeah..it is a shame and I would love regulations....how would it work though? I mean..I am all for shutting down every F2P game etc...

[Relapses]

If you do belive it (and it sounds so) then I am afraid that regulations won't work - because they do not work for gambling (in fact, gambling, especially for sport results) now is worse than ever before, the EU actually made it more easy for people to participate and are regulations just a joke for alcohol and smoking (unless you look to scandinavian countries) . And especially with smoking you see how companies find new shameless ways to keep people addicted with vapes.

Yeah..it is a shame and I would love regulations....how would it work though? I mean..I am all for shutting down every F2P game etc...

Our government has far more important fish to fry than worrying about a massive multinational corporation like Blizzard fleecing its consumers with predatory MTX. In the grand scheme of things, WoW is hardly the worst offender on this front. Regardless, America is founded on hypercapitalism and there is a less-than-zero percent chance this kind of stuff will be regulated. Ever. We'd sooner see the heat death of the universe. Our fucking President is conducting crypto rug pulls, like for real? The best we can do is help people understand that buying it and encourages others to buy it sends the wrong message to the company selling it. And if people don't want to listen or get annoyed with you for telling them being smug on forums about buying $90 mounts in WoW makes them look ridiculous, then that's just how it be.

FWIW, I do admire @Altmer's doe-eyed Asmon-influenced worldview. Life must be easy when you can just let a streamer dictate every thought you have.

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There are so many far more problematic in-game purchases in gaming right now that it is crazy to me how much people have a problem with this one. There's a thread full of people on this forum spending way more money on slot machine pulls to get a slightly better version of a half-naked anime character than the one they already have. Go tell them how they're killing gaming or whatever. Once you've solved that, and lootboxes, and ultimate team, and trading card games, maybe then you can come back and start telling people how their one-off purchase of a mount is the end of the world.

Something being "not that bad' doesn't exculpate itself from still being bad. It certainly doesn't justify bragging that you'll continue to buy Brutosaurs until Microsoft's shareholders simultaneously ejaculate hard enough to shift our planet's tectonic plates.

[Altmer]

FWIW, I do admire @Altmer's doe-eyed Asmon-influenced worldview. Life must be easy when you can just let a streamer dictate every thought you have.

Not really, is just that the guy have quiet accurate way of thinking with different points of view that he mention. Like the store mounts for example (He even have a nick name, for those guys who pays for these mounts...). I'm surprised you get triggered too much by Asmon. He is even liked in other countries for a good reason. Just right now, he have 32k guys watching him on Twitch.

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If you do belive it (and it sounds so) then I am afraid that regulations won't work - because they do not work for gambling (in fact, gambling, especially for sport results) now is worse than ever before, the EU actually made it more easy for people to participate and are regulations just a joke for alcohol and smoking (unless you look to scandinavian countries) . And especially with smoking you see how companies find new shameless ways to keep people addicted with vapes.

Yeah..it is a shame and I would love regulations....how would it work though? I mean..I am all for shutting down every F2P game etc...

Let's face it. Paying 90 USD for a virual mount, is just wrong, it tells how addicted you are to a game and how twisted the view of some people are to consider this purchase "normal". So again, if the government doesn't do something about, is because we are talking about a super rich corporation like Blizzard that can get away with it, because they have the power to do it. Loot boxes are illegal or heavily regulated in countries like Belgium, the Netherlands, China, and Japan. With that, you can get an idea of which countries are a little bit more ahead of the curve, than the US, Canada or other EU countries.

I hope, some day, these same countries set the example to put a stop to this madness of virtual goods that are clearly overpriced. And save people from falling to this scam.

[Just Passing through]

Let's face it. Paying 90 USD for a virual mount, is just wrong, it tells how addicted you are to a game and how twisted the view of some people are to consider this purchase "normal". So again, if the government doesn't do something about, is because we are talking about a super rich corporation like Blizzard that can get away with it, because they have the power to do it. Loot boxes are illegal or heavily regulated in countries like Belgium, the Netherlands, China, and Japan. With that, you can get an idea of which countries are a little bit more ahead of the curve, than the US, Canada or other EU countries.

I hope, some day, these same countries set the example to put a stop to this madness of virtual goods that are clearly overpriced. And save people from falling to this scam.

Well, every time a government bans something or tries to...people come out and will tell you, how they are educated consumers...bla bla bla. Like I said..sure..go ahead...ban this stuff. I actually think they would have a chance with games, because generally games are considered "bad" and "corrupting" kids. You all know the insufferable debate how "killer games" are responsible (apparently) for violence.

Yeah, I think there is a chance to ban these transactions - and at the same time, more powerful companies like the aforementioned sports betting Syndicates will get away and can still make billons and billions. I would love to know how Belgium, Netherlands stance on sports betting, alcohol and cigarettes is. Maybe you can surprise me - but until then I think those governments are just fine with THAT kind of "addiction" - oh yeah..and are lootboxes etc generally restricted or just for underaged persons?

For all I care, while we are at it...ban TikTok and all that shit - hell...India did it. Facebook as well....this is cancer on the society. I hope you agree.

I just think you spend your anger on such a minor thing. You know..like the EU feeling so proud of reducing plastic waste by banning plastic straws. Well done...^^.

Our government has far more important fish to fry than worrying about a massive multinational corporation like Blizzard fleecing its consumers with predatory MTX.

It has indeed. And Blizzard is small fry compared to the real problems..or the real problems a government SHOULD tackle (but still won't) - and as usual..when I hear "fleecing" or "milking" - it says a lot more about the consumers than the company. Like with so many things that are sold and bought.

[Relapses]

Not really, is just that the guy have quiet accurate way of thinking with different points of view that he mention. Like the store mounts for example (He even have a nick name, for those guys who pays for these mounts...). I'm surprised you get triggered too much by Asmon. He is even liked in other countries for a good reason. Just right now, he have 32k guys watching him on Twitch.

He's an entertainer, not a particularly enlightened political thinker. Motherfucker used a dead rat as an alarm clock and would rub the blood from his gums on his walls before going to bed. 10/10 hygiene.

The real irony here is that he'll talk about needing to regulate MTX in one breath, then fondle the balls of extreme right wing reactionaries -- all of whom are big fans of billionaires -- in the next. You guys are so close to understanding the systemic issues which allow corporations to implement predatory MTX but instead of correctly placing the blame on capitalism, y'all virtue signal about "politics in video games" and the "illegal immigration crisis at our borders." You guys are easy marks who will constantly vote against your own interests because you'd rather have the roach man fellate your ego and validate your baseless bigotry then spend even a minute of your life identifying the root cause of society's ailments and the very obvious things we should be doing to protect ourselves from the negative side effects of wanton, unchecked corporate greed.

[Altmer]

You guys are so close to understanding the systemic issues which allow corporations to implement predatory MTX but instead of correctly placing the blame on capitalism, y'all virtue signal about "politics in video games" and the "illegal immigration crisis at our borders."

Oh no, you went full left on this one Relapses, that is a big no-no. I'm a believer of Capitalism, Freedom and Democracy. Leave the anticapitalism to countries that can't even pay for toilet paper (Cuba for example). I love to live in this country because of the 3 main values that i mention above. But I agree with the fact that predatory practices from video game corporations needs to be regulated. Just like Tabaco and Alcohol (or drugs). I would never live in a communist/socialist country, because you can see the examples of those failed systems in other countries that practice that.

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Well, every time a government bans something or tries to...people come out and will tell you, how they are educated consumers...bla bla bla. Like I said..sure..go ahead...ban this stuff. I actually think they would have a chance with games, because generally games are considered "bad" and "corrupting" kids. You all know the insufferable debate how "killer games" are responsible (apparently) for violence.

Yeah, I think there is a chance to ban these transactions - and at the same time, more powerful companies like the aforementioned sports betting Syndicates will get away and can still make billons and billions. I would love to know how Belgium, Netherlands stance on sports betting, alcohol and cigarettes is. Maybe you can surprise me - but until then I think those governments are just fine with THAT kind of "addiction" - oh yeah..and are lootboxes etc generally restricted or just for underaged persons?

For all I care, while we are at it...ban TikTok and all that shit - hell...India did it. Facebook as well....this is cancer on the society. I hope you agree.

I just think you spend your anger on such a minor thing. You know..like the EU feeling so proud of reducing plastic waste by banning plastic straws. Well done...^^.



It has indeed. And Blizzard is small fry compared to the real problems..or the real problems a government SHOULD tackle (but still won't) - and as usual..when I hear "fleecing" or "milking" - it says a lot more about the consumers than the company. Like with so many things that are sold and bought.

More than "ban" this stuff, It needs to be regulated. You have WoW that already is a suscription based game, and then, they add a store with predatory practices for "goods" that are not even real, they are virtual "needs" or "collectibles", that have artificial prices on it, based on the greed of said company that made the game.
For any other guy out there, that doesn't play WoW, all them would agree that wasting 90USD in a game mount is....stupid. Sorry for putting it like that, but i'm afraid that is how other people think about this. Is way too much.

[Relapses]

Oh no, you went full left on this one Relapses, that is a big no-no. I'm a believer of Capitalism, Freedom and Democracy. Leave the anticapitalism to countries that can't even pay for toilet paper (Cuba for example). I love to live in this country because of the 3 main values that i mention above. But I agree with the fact that predatory practices from video game corporations needs to be regulated. Just like Tabaco and Alcohol (or drugs). I would never live in a communist/socialist country, because you can see the examples of those failed systems in other countries that practice that.

Brother, you can't be a fan of capitalism on one hand and think that MTX needs to be regulated on the other. Your great American dream is the very reason your video games are chock full of more monetization options than Bonnie Blue has STDs. Capitalism is human suffering the whole way down. You don't get to pick and choose the bad and the good. If you have cancer, you don't treat the symptoms. You kill the cancer.

[Altmer]

Brother, you can't be a fan of capitalism on one hand and think that MTX needs to be regulated on the other. Your great American dream is the very reason your video games are chock full of more monetization options than Bonnie Blue has STDs. Capitalism is human suffering the whole way down. You don't get to pick and choose the bad and the good. If you have cancer, you don't treat the symptoms. You kill the cancer.

Dude, in any scenario, I would have imagined that you were going to think like this. Is like, you are playing the most capitalist game ever created in the United States. Is a suscription based game with a capitalist market ingame + marketing like no other.
My complain here is the lack of regulations on:
- Loot Boxes (gambling)
- Overpriced products (in this case, a store mount)
- Tokens (Gold selling practices of virtual goods, creating a virtual market for a currency that is clearly fake)
I wouldn't be here, if this mount cost something like 2USD or 10USD max. The price is unjustified. There is no reason for something virtual to cost 90USD and like I said, is lack of regulation.

You have never been in a socialist/communist country, right?. Let me resume to you what it is. A nightmare. Try Cuba or China, you will see why. I travel a lot because of my job, and I avoid countries like those.

[Relapses]

Dude, in any scenario, I would have imagined that you were going to think like this. Is like, you are playing the most capitalist game ever created in the United States. Is a suscription based game with a capitalist market ingame + marketing like no other.

You caught me! I do occasionally participate in society. I guess participating in society immediately disqualifies any criticism I have of it.

My complain here is the lack of regulations on:
- Loot Boxes (gambling)
- Overpriced products (in this case, a store mount)
- Tokens (Gold selling practices of virtual goods, creating a virtual market for a currency that is clearly fake)
I wouldn't be here, if this mount cost something like 2USD or 10USD max. The price is unjustified. There is no reason for something virtual to cost 90USD and like I said, is lack of regulation.

Why would the richest country on earth want to make less money? Like, come on man. This isn't rocket surgery. The reason this shit isn't regulated is because the people who benefit from it the most are the very same people who have the entirety of our political system in their back pockets. You can't have one without the other. You don't get to bitch, whine and moan about the problems wanton, unchecked corporate greed has on video games just because you dislike certain aspects which it necessitates.

You have never been in a socialist/communist country, right?. Let me resume you what it is. A nightmare. Try Cuba or China, you will see why. I travel a lot because of my job, and I avoid countries like those.

Cuba isn't Communist. USSR Jr. doesn't count and neither does the USSR. China also isn't Communist. It's just as hypercapitalist as America, they just do a better job of redistributing surplus value extracted from workers. (The People's suicide nets!) Regardless, communism isn't a project you experiment with in a single country then expand upon. It's a worldwide movement. The insanely rich, disgustingly powerful ruling class of our society is deathly afraid of what a real dictatorship of the proletariat would look like. (Spoiler alert: Invest in guillotines!) As such, they do everything they can to stigmatize any economic system which runs counter to capitalism and threaten homelessness on anybody who dares to refuse to participate in the system. Lord knows, class consciousness is at an all-time low. And fuck man, don't get me started on the petite bourgeoisie -- we'd rather rent overpriced retail space from private equity firms for the privilege of running a small business which primarily sells boutique vegan pork chop sandwiches to liberal arts majors from now until the end of time than think about organized revolution. I'd encourage you to read theory but if Asmon's your guy you'd probably just end up becoming a tankie which is the only thing on earth worse than being a commie.

[Altmer]

You caught me! I do occasionally participate in society. I guess participating in society immediately disqualifies any criticism I have of it.

No complain here. I also like the community, even when some times is toxic af.

Why would the richest country on earth want to make less money? Like, come on man. This isn't rocket surgery. The reason this shit isn't regulated is because the people who benefit from it the most are the very same people who have the entirety of our political system in their back pockets. You can't have one without the other. You don't get to bitch, whine and moan about the problems wanton, unchecked corporate greed has on video games just because you dislike certain aspects which it necessitates.

Because the people of WoW are also their customers. Regulation could help ensure more transparency and fairness, protecting consumers from exploitative practices. It's important to recognize that unchecked greed can harm players and the industry as a whole. So....why would you keep doing something like this, if you know that many people out there are going to point out this abuse, that WoW is selling such an expenive mount that is just a.....game mount.

Communism isn't a project you experiment with in a single country then expand upon. It's a worldwide movement. Cuba sucks for a lot of reasons but it's main issue is that the trade emargo has completely cut it off from the largest economy on the planet. The insanely rich, disgustingly powerful ruling class of our society is deathly afraid of what a real dictatorship of the proletariat would look like. (Spoiler alert: Invest in guillotines!) Lord knows, class consciousness is at an all-time low. And fuck man, don't get me started on the petite bourgeoisie -- we'd rather rent overpriced retail space from private equity firms for the privilege of running a small business which primarily sells boutique vegan pork chop sandwiches to liberal arts majors from now until the end of time than think about organized revolution. I'd encourage you to read theory but if Asmon's your guy you'd probably just end up becoming a tankie which is the only thing on earth worse than being a commie.

Communism is a failure. We already saw that episode several times during the history of humanity. For real, if you are from the US and thinking like this, you are literaly spitting on the tomb of all of the veterans that risked their lives to keep our way of living, for our freedom, democracy and capitalism. This is the mentality of a spoiled dude, that doesn't value what he have. And have never seen how people live in other countries. This is the typical mistaken mentality that Asmon talks about during his rants. You want to give it a try to communism/socialism, give it a try yourself and move to any country that you feel is a success with such system, and you will see it sucks (or you are not going to find a good option to live in). What an ignorant statement you have said so far, from the moment you started talking about this topic. I can't believe I have been talking with a person with this type of mentality. This way you think is not smart, is stupid and spoiled and even anti-American. You don't value the US or it's main core values as a country. Now I understand why you hate Asmongold.

Btw, 90 USD is a lot in Mexico and other countries that I have been myself. No one there would be wasting their money in a silly mount from WoW. I used to believe you were a little bit of smart, but never this level of anti-American and stupidity.

And again, we need regulations on things like pricing virtual goods and some predatory practices from video game companies.