Trader's Gilded Brutosaur Auction House Mount Now Available on the WoW Shop

[Relapses]

No complain here. I also like the community, even when some times is toxic af.



Because the people of WoW are also their customers. Regulation could help ensure more transparency and fairness, protecting consumers from exploitative practices. It's important to recognize that unchecked greed can harm players and the industry as a whole. So....why would you keep doing something like this, if you know that many people out there are going to point out this abuse, that WoW is selling such an expenive mount that is just a.....game mount.



Communism is a failure. We already saw that episode several times during the history of humanity. For real, if you are from the US and thinking this way, you are literaly spitting on the tomb of all of the veterans that risked their lives to keep our way of living, for our freedom, democracy and capitalism. This is the mentality of a spoiled dude, that doesn't value what he have. And have never seen how people live in other countries. This is the typical mistaken mentality that Asmon talks about during his rants. You want to give it a try to communism/socialism, give it a try yourself and move to any country that you feel is a success with such system, and you will see it sucks (or you are not going to find a good option to live in). What an ignorant statement you have said so far, from the moment you started talking about this topic. I can't believe I have been talking with a person with this type of mentality. This way you think is not smart, is stupid and spoiled and even anti-American. You don't value the US or it's main core values as a country. Now I understand why you hate Asmongold.

Btw, 90 USD is a lot in Mexico and other countries that I have been myself. No one there would be wasting their money in a silly mount from WoW. I used to believe you were a little bit of smart, but never this level of anti-American and stupidity.

And again, we need regulations on things like pricing virtual goods and some predatory practices from video game companies.

Uh oh, better report me to the CIA before I encourage other people to engage in praxis!

Look man, I'm not here to convert you to (gasp) Communism nor do I care if you think I'm "anti-American" or stupid. But you keep typing out "uh, erm, we should regulate MTX in gaming!" as if that's a real thing that'll ever happen in our lifetimes. The chances of WoW's MTX being regulated are only roughly half that of a global Communist revolution.

[Altmer]

Uh oh, better report me to the CIA before I encourage other people to engage in praxis!

Look man, I'm not here to convert you to (gasp) Communism nor do I care if you think I'm "anti-American" or stupid. But you keep typing out "uh, erm, we should regulate MTX in gaming!" as if that's a real thing that'll ever happen in our lifetimes. The chances of WoW's MTX being regulated are only roughly half that of a global Communist revolution.

World of Warcraft or Blizzard itself are not both a government agency or over the law company, that just can do whatever they want. The reason that is not considered a top priority or a topic that could be taken to the Senate or Congress, is because no party has taken the step to regulate it.

In Japan/Korea for example (or China as well), regulates video game addiction by law at a national level, with strict playtime limits and identification requirements for minors. Identifing that video games cause addiction, is the first step for these types of regulations (example: virtual goods, gambling, etc). Other countries are still on the dark with this (US included).

Maybe in a few years and it will start to attract the attention of local Senators or Congress men/women, to set up laws to regulate it.

[Relapses]

Maybe in a few years and it will start to attract the attention of local Senators or Congress men/women, to set up laws to regulate it.

lmfao you sound like the liberals who think they're going to vote in socialism. Good luck, my man.

[Just Passing through]

More than "ban" this stuff, It needs to be regulated. You have WoW that already is a suscription based game, and then, they add a store with predatory practices for "goods" that are not even real, they are virtual "needs" or "collectibles", that have artificial prices on it, based on the greed of said company that made the game.
For any other guy out there, that doesn't play WoW, all them would agree that wasting 90USD in a game mount is....stupid. Sorry for putting it like that, but i'm afraid that is how other people think about this. Is way too much.

Well..we aren't getting anywhere with this - you will find tons of stuff that is stupid and "should" be banned and regulated. While we agree on this - it isn't going to happen or rather if it happens, companies will find a way around it.

The thing that nobody has answered though is: How would it work for games. Do you seriously think a law that say "A subscription game cannot have a shop" would work? I am sure, people will immediatly think of ways how to circumvent this. Also how do you handle name / realm / race changes? Would you also ban in game service provided by guilds? I fear we would just be back at the gold seller / account theft situation of the early game.

I mean...I am not against trying....as I said multiple time. I just don't see a solution.

My counter would be that socalled F2P games with no sub, but a shop are actually even more predatory and anti-consumer. I definitely wouldn't want WoW to be f2p for that reason.

[Nzx]

Oh no, you went full left on this one Relapses, that is a big no-no. I'm a believer of Capitalism, Freedom and Democracy.

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More than "ban" this stuff, It needs to be regulated. You have WoW that already is a suscription based game, and then, they add a store with predatory practices for "goods" that are not even real, they are virtual "needs" or "collectibles", that have artificial prices on it, based on the greed of said company that made the game.
For any other guy out there, that doesn't play WoW, all them would agree that wasting 90USD in a game mount is....stupid. Sorry for putting it like that, but i'm afraid that is how other people think about this. Is way too much.

Truly the cognitive dissonance of neoliberalism on full display. Selling a digital set of pixels arranged to look like a fancy dinosaur is capitalism meeting freedom. You're advocating to eliminate Blizzard's freedom to create what they want and charge what they want for it, which by your own definition is anti-American. How can you think both of these things at once and not realise they contradict each other?

[En Sabah Nur]

How can you think both of these things at once and not realise they contradict each other?

First time meeting an Asmongold worshipper?

[Nzx]

First time meeting an Asmongold worshipper?

Yeah, nah. Rhetorical question but I am morbidly curious about the mental gymnastics that a potential answer might involve. Like, the Brutosaur exists because people have the freedom to vote in favour of its existence by spending their own money on it. It's literally free market capitalism working the way it's intended to. Presumably the answer to my original question, then, will expose the fact they don't understand what "capitalism" or "freedom" or "democracy" actually mean, outside of the alt-right bubble definitions.

And that'll be fun, but depressingly futile because they'll learn nothing from it.

[Altmer]

How can you think both of these things at once and not realise they contradict each other?

It doesn't contradict each other, the moment they are regulated/controlled. They are implemented through mechanisms like rent control, minimum wage laws, and price setting for specific goods and services
Examples:
- Price ceilings: A maximum price set by the government.
- Price floors: A minimum price set by the government.

Right now, prices are determined by game publishers and developers based on market conditions, development costs, and consumer demand.

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First time meeting an Asmongold worshipper?

I'm sorry, but Asmongold is right about these topics. Tell me, where is he wrong about these topics?. Specially, store mounts...

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I mean...I am not against trying....as I said multiple time. I just don't see a solution.

The solution is that this topic needs to be taken to the Congress first. The idea for a bill can come from a: Sitting member of the U.S. Senate or House of Representatives. Then, the bill can be turned into a law. Example: A law that regulates video games virtual sales practices.

[Ereb]

The solution is that this topic needs to be taken to the Congress first. The idea for a bill can come from a: Sitting member of the U.S. Senate or House of Representatives. Then, the bill can be turned into a law. Example: A law that regulates video games virtual sales practices.

"I love capitalism! ...Except in MY video games!" Like the other poster said it's wild you can't see the blatant contradiction there lol

[Altmer]

Yeah, nah. Rhetorical question but I am morbidly curious about the mental gymnastics that a potential answer might involve. Like, the Brutosaur exists because people have the freedom to vote in favour of its existence by spending their own money on it. It's literally free market capitalism working the way it's intended to. Presumably the answer to my original question, then, will expose the fact they don't understand what "capitalism" or "freedom" or "democracy" actually mean, outside of the alt-right bubble definitions.

And that'll be fun, but depressingly futile because they'll learn nothing from it.

People have the freedom to buy whatever they want. Just like people in the 80's were able to buy alcohol and cigarettes. Example:
"In the US, it is illegal to sell cigarettes to anyone under the age of 21 under the federal Tobacco 21 law, which applies to all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes.". Do you see how this law now include e-cigarettes?. The law got updated on December 20, 2019.

This world of video games and their stores is something new. Is clear that laws needs to be updated. Even for example, laws that doesn't allow minors to create purchase of these "virtual goods" online without their parents approval. That could be one step of said law.

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"I love capitalism! ...Except in MY video games!" Like the other poster said it's wild you can't see the blatant contradiction there lol

No, I don't see any contradiction. One thing is going full Relapses and hating capitalism and another requesting regulations. Are you really paying attention?

[exochaft]

People have the freedom to buy whatever they want. Just like people in the 80's were able to buy alcohol and cigarettes. Example:
"In the US, it is illegal to sell cigarettes to anyone under the age of 21 under the federal Tobacco 21 law, which applies to all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes.". Do you see how this law now include e-cigarettes?. The law got updated on December 20, 2019.

This world of video games and their stores is something new. Is clear that laws needs to be updated. Even for example, laws that doesn't allow minors to create purchase of these "virtual goods" online without their parents approval. That could be one step of said law.

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No, I don't see any contradiction. One thing is going full Relapses and hating capitalism and another requesting regulations. Are you really paying attention?

I think people's misunderstanding is due to people not thinking about the systems themselves and what their purpose is or defines.

For example, laws themselves are just a reflection of the morality imposed upon those under them. Using the tobacco law, the reason there are age restrictions is because we've deemed it morally correct to do so. One can try to argue that it's a safety issue, but there's tons of other products or devices/things that can be a safety risk that can be obtained/used by those that are under the age of legal tobacco use and ownership... essentially while there can be rationalized reasons for a law, it still boils down to a morality system being imposed. This is why the rules for certain items or acts have very different laws depending upon location, as one country has a different morality system than another one does. Heck, something as simple as the age when someone is considered a legal adult varies from country to country, and even within those countries the age has constantly changed. This is also why killing another person is legal in various ways that depends on the country's laws, because it's deemed morally fine to kill another person under certain situations (such as self-defense, honor killings, war, and so forth); one may not agree with a country's stance on such issues, but the point is that the laws are a reflection of the morality of that country.

Now, when it comes to capitalism: I can't remember which US founding father talked about it, but the paraphrased sentiment that capitalism fails without morality. It seems pretty self-evident, because even they realized back then that unadulterated freedom in any system wasn't a good thing if you didn't have some morality guiding it... and as I mentioned above, laws themselves are just a reflection of that morality. This is also why pure rationality is frowned upon because it leads to what people consider immoral or inhumane. While this seems to be a high-minded sentiment, it still is very applicable to things like laws concerning video games and monetization/developer practices: if you left it up to the companies with zero laws in place, it'd easily devolve into what people would consider immoral activities and practices. While it's fine to give as much freedom as possible to developers to do what they want to do, sometimes it's necessary to put laws in place to set a moral standard by which society thinks they must follow. One might not necessarily agree with such laws and establish morality, but that's another thread of discussion.

[casecase89]

Looks like blizz wants to collect some extra money.

or you can be a G and buy it with gold and its free <3

[Ghostile]

or you can be a G and buy it with gold and its free <3

Blizzard still collects the extra money and then some.

[Just Passing through]

Blizzard still collects the extra money and then some.

...and if this bothers people, they can just NOT buy the mount - but that seems out of the question. What happened to personal responsibility and stomaching the fact that others disagree with your own choices?

I am not on social media, I don't have cable TV, I don't buy Nestle products, I have no car, I don't buy Apple products etc etc and if I added even more of my life choices for my own ethical reasons, I have found out that people will actually attack me over it or at the very least call it virtue signaling just for mentioning it (even if I am not the first in a conversation to bring it up)

The whole "Government needs to impose laws to protect children in every area" also rubs me up the wrong way - because I think most of all it is the responsibility of parents if they give them free access to credit cards, online gaming, anything on TV or the Internet.

Yeah..it is not all black and white and there are ways around everything. But it is crazy how at least in my country so many parents already start putting all responsiblilities of education and bringing up kids on kindergarden personal and teachers.

[Ghostile]

...and if this bothers people, they can just NOT buy the mount - but that seems out of the question. What happened to personal responsibility and stomaching the fact that others disagree with your own choices?

I don't really care, but it's always funny when people try to "I'm clever and don't give blizzard money" with tokens, lol.
Just bought tokens for midnight myself.

[Just Passing through]

I don't really care, but it's always funny when people try to "I'm clever and don't give blizzard money" with tokens, lol.
Just bought tokens for midnight myself.

Agreed - I said it before...I am absolutely glad that tokens were introduced as a system to combat gold selling AND let me pay my sub since their introduction with the gold I made in game. Before that...I neither knew why I even bothered to make so much gold, but even more what I would do with it. (...and the Brutosaur was never an option)

[Nzx]

It doesn't contradict each other, the moment they are regulated/controlled. They are implemented through mechanisms like rent control, minimum wage laws, and price setting for specific goods and services
Examples:
- Price ceilings: A maximum price set by the government.
- Price floors: A minimum price set by the government.

Right now, prices are determined by game publishers and developers based on market conditions, development costs, and consumer demand.

Lol, yep these are the mental gymnastics I was expecting. Price ceilings! Hahaha

[casecase89]

then its not about the cost to the person then its about blizzard making money. cause its free to me.

[Ehrenpanzer]

I think Blizzard misnamed the expansion... should have been named "The Whale Within"