Now that the dust has settled,

[Ielenia]

i probably missed that, where did you provide evidence of your claim work on expansion started always only 2y before release?
as far as i can tell you only provided your OPINION and pretend its fact... but go on, provide the evidence by which you go to make such claim

Considering we're still waiting on evidence that they ever participated in a "top 5 world first Trial of Crusader guild", a claim made over two months ago, I suggest you pull up a chair and get comfortable if you're going to wait.

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I remember the main stories of most of the zones, the characters and the main gist. I just don't remember seeing Thrall or Anduin at all.

Anduin was a big part of Hallowfall's main story quests, though. You followed him throughout almost if not all of the main story campaign in that zone.

[Vakir]

was it a good idea to pre-announce what they would do for the future expansions?
Was it better to leave it open ended so they have artistic freedom to change?

I don't think we can answer this until a post-mortem when TLT is officially over.

But as it's looking now...the whole thing was really just to cynically tide people over with a "hey guys, Belf fanservice coming!" because TWW's theme likely wouldn't have been anywhere near as popular without the future promise.

[Lolites]

Considering we're still waiting on evidence that they ever participated in a "top 5 world first Trial of Crusader guild", a claim made over two months ago, I suggest you pull up a chair and get comfortable if you're going to wait.

pff i still wait for evidence for claim that if tokend worked like blizz said it works it would be illegal from few years back

[Ghostile]

pff i still wait for evidence for claim that if tokend worked like blizz said it works it would be illegal from few years back

Was it him who backed it up with like 400 pages of law text without specifying what part of the text backs him up?

[Lolites]

Was it him who backed it up with like 400 pages of law text without specifying what part of the text backs him up?

well i dont remember exact lenght but yeah
and that was probably closest he ever got to at least try to support his opinion with more than "its true bcs i believe its true"

[epigramx]

testimonials

Chris Metzen jumping on BlizzCon stage like Steve Ballmer and yelling "we work on those things for decades" is not a testimonial but marketing for gullible fans.

The evidence is what they showed us; the first signs of work were always the preparations for alpha testing; they always started working a bit after an expac.

There was no time to do anything else anyway; even now they mainly have a timeline; you think they had time to work on 24 zones before 6 were ready?

[Calfredd]

Chris Metzen jumping on BlizzCon stage like Steve Ballmer and yelling "we work on those things for decades", is not a testimonial but marketing for gullible fans.

The evidence is what they showed us; the first signs of work were always the preparations for alpha testing; they always started working a bit after an expac.

You can't dismiss other peoples' evidence when you won't show evidence yourself. And no, you just say how things are and never linked anything.

[epigramx]

dismiss other peoples' evidence when you won't show evidence yourself.

We have evidence, when they actually started showing work around alpha testing.

Chris Metzen yelling like a buffoon at Blizzcons isn't evidence of work.

[Ielenia]

Chris Metzen jumping on BlizzCon stage like Steve Ballmer and yelling "we work on those things for decades" is not a testimonial but marketing for gullible fans.

It is evidence. You trying to poison the well doesn't make it any less valid. And I wasn't talking about Metzen. I was talking about an interview from years before that.

The evidence is what they showed us;

Evidence that you're repeatedly ignoring. You keep dismissing evidence and making wild claims without actually showing any piece of evidence yourself.

Hey, speaking of evidence, where's the evidence for your claim that you ever participate in a "Top 5 Trial of the Crusader World guild" again?

There was no time to do anything else anyway

"Because I, epgramx, say so"™?

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We have evidence, when they actually started showing work around alpha testing.

Do you really think that "alpha testing" happens during the early stages of development? You can't be serious.

[PaladinBash]

I don't think it was a bad idea, no. It got me hyped when I was pretty ambivalent about stuff. I went into War Within thinking it to be a filler until Midnight, which made me more generous and open to it and I was pleasantly surprised by how good it was to begin with. That flittered out by S3 but even then I felt like it had just gone from exceeding my expectations to merely meeting them. Without knowing Midnight is coming, I would have been bored and dismissive of the game again, rather than just waiting for Midnight, which is looking pretty good so far despite fucky characterisation here and there.

Again, I like big sweeping announcements. It gives me something to look forward to. If the game is good, cool, I just play it and have fun. If the game is okay, I think "that's okay, it will get better when X comes out". If the game is bad, I think "well, this is shit but I can come back for Y". Sure if the game is always great and wonderful, the announcements don't mean shit, but if it's mid or lame, they are fantastic to keep people engaged for the future. A good example is when I was bored to death of the game in Warlords of Draenor and the SECOND I saw the fucking Ashbringer in the Legion reveal, I was back in business. Midnight (as part of the Worldsoul Saga) didn't get that big of rush out of me but it was the part of the trilogy I wanted and far more than any TWW would have given me. TLT is just kinda in the air and I have absolutely no expectations for it whether good or bad. It's just "the next expansion after the one I really want", which means it may suck or be awesome, I have no idea so I consider it a neutral thing.

TL;DR big announcement is neutral if game is good, positive if game is mid, necessary if game is bad

[Joshuaj]

was it a good idea to pre-announce what they would do for the future expansions?
Was it better to leave it open ended so they have artistic freedom to change?

Nothing has settled. Part 2 ain't even out yet.

[HateTrain]

They shortchanged future interest in Blizzcon.

This. At least for me. Watching Blizzcon was for wow expansion reveals. Now, I'll look at this site later that day for details.

[Al Gorefiend]

This. At least for me. Watching Blizzcon was for wow expansion reveals. Now, I'll look at this site later that day for details.

Did the Blizzcons where players knew there wouldn't be a WoW expac reveal have lower turnout? I'd wager yes.