WeakAuras Update: Still No Addon Support Planned for Midnight

[Xath]

This is actually what hekili was amazing for, more casual players and people playing unfamiliar alts. I'm a little surprised (not actually that surprised) Blizzard didn't just recreate the hekili bar with their in-game one, because as it stands it is borderline unusable. Doesn't show on the CDM and the outline is frankly difficult to see with procs and stuff everywhere. And since it is bad, it's easier to just use the OBR.

We haven't seen all the new specs in their final form yet, but I'd actually take everyone using hekili over OBR any day, at least you could configure some things, know it was updated, and have to press several different buttons.

I feel like Hekili was an addon that did essentially nothing for the top 10%, but it could do a lot to level the skill gap between everyone else. The OBR sets a slightly higher floor but that's about it

So Hekili has one very significant aspect to it that blizzard doesn't want usable. It was actually updated to the current best builds. There is a reason you can't tinker with blizzard's priorities. I do agree it was very useful for people learning new alts especially with you know being able to see more than 1 button at once.

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The guys an idiot, he himself has literally no idea how weak auras works, he probably just downloads the packs his GM tells him and has no idea how they are actually made.

He refuses to acknowledge when you shut him down and tell him how it works too. He is HARD projecting to the point where I've started to get second hand embarrassment for him. He so clearly has no idea what he's talking about and he just wants to talk down to people. I've reported his posts but he never seems to get a silence even though most of his posts could be considered baiting.

Anyway the reality is that what you originally said is 100% true there are going to be TONS of players that will be completely lost without their weakauras. Blizzard is throwing those guys a bone by making classes simpler so they may not lose out on their DPS numbers but a think a ton of guilds are about to do massive reshuffling of players who can't survive without weakauras being swapped with actual competent players.

It's really hilarious you think someone talking about automation of gameplay has a single clue what they are talking about. How does the saying go something about better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

[SoleQueen]

It's really hilarious you think someone talking about automation of gameplay has a single clue what they are talking about. How does the saying go something about better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Since you brought up the word ‘automation,’ (Which by the way neither me nor the guy I replied to used) here’s the actual definition for you:

Automation (noun):
“The use of machines or software to automatically control a process, reduce human involvement, or decrease the amount of human decision-making required.”

So sure WeakAuras doesn't press buttons for you or anything like that but it creates unique UI elements designed specifically to decrease the amount of human decision-making required to react to a mechanic.

It's not the same thing as a bot playing the game for you sure, but it is automating regardless of what you all seem to think about the whole addon situation.

If you believe otherwise, I’d love to hear an actual argument instead of the usual vague hand-waving and “you don’t know how things work.”

And in the words of Ron Swanson:
“I know more than you.”

[Biomega]

I feel like Hekili was an addon that did essentially nothing for the top 10%, but it could do a lot to level the skill gap between everyone else.

A lot of addons work(ed) like that. They smoothed over bumps in the skill curve, differing mostly in how much and what segment. The most extreme ends being something like accessibility options for people with impairments, which could often be a MASSIVE gain for those people (to the point where without it, they might not be able to play at all).

I'm sure Blizzard is aware of that, but it's not their sole concern. They are far more worried about optics than players are - by which I don't mean the look of UI elements, but the overall feel of the game's UI, its options, etc. which is oriented around a large segment of the player base that is a VERY common denominator indeed. It's more important to Blizzard to present a good out-of-the-box experience to those people than it is to fine-tune the experience for certain other segments of the player base (including both the high-end and the low-end players).

That's why something like OBR is a much preferred solution for Blizzard over addons like Hekili - it's simple, straightforward, and near idiot-proof. They'll take that any day over more customization options etc. which would only serve to confuse people whose skill is maxed out by finding the login button.

[Runicblood]

Hey look, another anti-addon kiddy who runs away when they realize their entire argument is garbage.

My arguments are right there. If you want to run away, then be my guest. Tuck that tail between your legs and make sure you yelp really loud as you do. I don't give a crap about your excuses.

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only one yapping is you homie. I'm not sure what "arguments" you think i gave that are garbage, i just called you trash lol. and wtf is this "running away from" you are talking about, you sound really traumatized lmao

[Ghostile]

The guys an idiot, he himself has literally no idea how weak auras works, he probably just downloads the packs his GM tells him and has no idea how they are actually made.

He refuses to acknowledge when you shut him down and tell him how it works too. He is HARD projecting to the point where I've started to get second hand embarrassment for him. He so clearly has no idea what he's talking about and he just wants to talk down to people. I've reported his posts but he never seems to get a silence even though most of his posts could be considered baiting.

Anyway the reality is that what you originally said is 100% true there are going to be TONS of players that will be completely lost without their weakauras. Blizzard is throwing those guys a bone by making classes simpler so they may not lose out on their DPS numbers but a think a ton of guilds are about to do massive reshuffling of players who can't survive without weakauras being swapped with actual competent players.

Rich coming from the guy who doesn't use weakauras and puts people on block when they shatter his fragile imaginary world where WAs play the game for people.

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I am unhappy blizzard is removing the ability to add your own audio hints when you are targeted by something that forces you to react in a split second, like at Ky´veza. Properly seeing the visual hint in a soup of spells and effects is hard at times. Having a ship horn blare that you have been chosen helped. So is having such an alert an unfair edge or self defense for bad UI?

If I've read correctly, they are meeting us somewhere halfway by not making such mechanics and giving us a way to give buffs a sound alert.

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You always seem to make yourself so much smarter than us. You could be nice and explain it to us all or just to me. I am always willing to learn how things work. Or you could just keep popping off smart ass comments and trying to pick a fight. I will let you be the adult here and make that choice.

The base thing you should know is that boss fights repeat the same pattern pretty much 100% of the time. Mechanics happen at the same point of the fight every time, so you don't need an addon to tell you what happens when, if you got any resemblance of memory you will remember the cycle.
Boss animations, voice lines and your own cooldown cycle reinforce the pattern.
What stuff like weakaura bosspacks give you are rolling notes so you can cut off the first quarter/third pulls to memorize the cycle, besides the few bosses pretty much designed to have a weakaura for assignments.

We're currently progging mythic dimensius P3 and at this point the WA that actually tells me something I don't have memorized is one that reminds me to drop AMZ at roughly 7 minutes, because my brain is trying to not bowl into my soak group.
Good example of the pattern is when my large CDs come out the first time in mythic dimensius, I take the gateway and pop AMZ, because those line up nearly to the second with the devour.

[Shinchi Migi]

Rich coming from the guy who doesn't use weakauras and puts people on block when they shatter his fragile imaginary world where WAs play the game for people.

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If I've read correctly, they are meeting us somewhere halfway by not making such mechanics and giving us a way to give buffs a sound alert.

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The base thing you should know is that boss fights repeat the same pattern pretty much 100% of the time. Mechanics happen at the same point of the fight every time, so you don't need an addon to tell you what happens when, if you got any resemblance of memory you will remember the cycle.
Boss animations, voice lines and your own cooldown cycle reinforce the pattern.
What stuff like weakaura bosspacks give you are rolling notes so you can cut off the first quarter/third pulls to memorize the cycle, besides the few bosses pretty much designed to have a weakaura for assignments.

We're currently progging mythic dimensius P3 and at this point the WA that actually tells me something I don't have memorized is one that reminds me to drop AMZ at roughly 7 minutes, because my brain is trying to not bowl into my soak group.
Good example of the pattern is when my large CDs come out the first time in mythic dimensius, I take the gateway and pop AMZ, because those line up nearly to the second with the devour.

Thank You for the explanation. I did not know WA worked to the letter like this. but then I am not a expert in how WA works. I just mainly use them for certain fights and for some of my class ability CD's. Again thank you for replying in a adult manner. Unfortunately I can't speak for some of the others on this topic.

[Ashana Darkmoon]

So Hekili has one very significant aspect to it that blizzard doesn't want usable. It was actually updated to the current best builds. There is a reason you can't tinker with blizzard's priorities. I do agree it was very useful for people learning new alts especially with you know being able to see more than 1 button at once.

Oh yeah, I get the feeling they really resented it in general because it was "too good" for many specs, especially melee (generally not very good for most caster specs due to the nature of the gameplay). They want the helper to be a stepping stone and that's it, and they want the OBR to raise the floor.

I understand that reasoning, but I think it's flawed and probably a net negative. Giving people a OBR to raise the floor is great, but I think there's a vast middle group of players (as evidenced by download numbers) benefitted greatly. Basically, what's going to happen is that some amount of that group will get better (probably a small number) and most are just going to be worse without it. If some of them are now bad enough that they default to the OBR because it is now better than they are, I think that's a bad outcome overall.

This could all be cured by class simplification, of course, but so far that seems pretty uneven. Some specs now require minimal brain power and others have barely changed.

Cheekily, everything comes back to fury warriors and BM hunters in the end - usually the ones who hate mods because their specs have never required help of any kind and also they've never looked at party/raid frames in their life.