Housing limitations

[ryan1mcq]

Hi guys, i wondered how everyone is feeling about housing now that we have early access to housing. I have been really enjoying it for the most part but a few things are eating away at me lol. I want to prefix this with I know its early access and things can change and iknow you didnt ask but i think other players may be wondering similar things but heres what i feel so far.


1st - Plot size. Your actual exterior plot size is way, way smaller than the exterior plot size you think you have. The amount of land your plot sits on is very deceiving and the way houses are spread out by a fair distance gives the impression your plot is actully much larger, its not. i build a square perimiter fence yesterday to see the actual size because i got so annoyed going over the invisible borders when trying to place stuff. Plots are nowhere near the size you expeect they are. I believe they can expand the interior over time but theres apparently no plans to expand the exterior plot size in midnight meaning what you have now will be it forever (until further notice at least).

2nd - Edit mode toggles. Coming out of edit/place mode every time you place a single object is very tedius, why not add a toggle button to enable and disable edit/place mode as the player needs. Another couple of quality of life toggles would be to show/hide your plot boundary and to show/hide the building grid. Why these are not shown is strange but like i say things can change before midnight. Lastly on plot quality of life things would be the ability to move your Cornerstone to anywhere within your plot boundary.

3rd - Decor items. Why have vendor bought decor items go into your bag and not add righ to your inventory. As it is, it means you then have to (if buying large amounts of items) spend ages right clicking them in your bag to add them to inventory.

4th - This ones not eating away at me like the others its just a personal 'would like to have' lol. Immersion, not having your exterior house model change in accordance to the interior is a bit immersion breaking.


Overall im happy so far and grateful to finally have it game, its been a long time coming and its a fantastic addition to the game.

[Raetary]

1st - Plot size. Your actual exterior plot size is way, way smaller than the exterior plot size you think you have.

How big your plot is varies drastically from plot to plot.

I settled on plot 8 on the Alliance Neighborhood, and that plot has vastly more space than i thought it would have and am ever gonna need.

3rd - Decor items. Why have vendor bought decor items go into your bag and not add righ to your inventory. As it is, it means you then have to (if buying large amounts of items) spend ages right clicking them in your bag to add them to inventory.

Aside from basic decor, anything that costs any special currency should never go directly into your inventory.
You can't sell them back otherwise, and considering the high cost on some of them you could quickly lose a lot of currency with a simple miss click.

That said, decor desperately needs to be stack-able, and decor needs to be purchasable by the bulk like other items.

I fully agree on the UI though, it needs tweaking.

[Piratella]

I think we need to have mail boxes. IRL every house has a mail box, but not our in game houses for some reason.

[ryan1mcq]

How big your plot is varies drastically from plot to plot.

Oh i didnt realise this, i thought it was the same for everyone lol. EDIT: done a bit of research and it seems every plot is the same size in the interests of fairness. To clarify, i was talking about the physical eterior plot size boundary where you can place objects.

I think we need to have mail boxes. IRL every house has a mail box, but not our in game houses for some reason.

Thats a fair call, i actually thought at the start that the cornerstone in the plot would act as a mailbox

[ercarp]

They need to fix decor acquisition stat, otherwise the entire feature is dead in the water. Nobody in their right mind is gonna wanna do old professions or grind decade-old reputations for weeks upon weeks just for the privilege of being allowed to purchase a piece of decor with equally out-of-date legacy currencies. This is currently the biggest issue with housing, everything else is secondary.

[Biomega]

They need to fix decor acquisition stat, otherwise the entire feature is dead in the water. Nobody in their right mind is gonna wanna do old professions or grind decade-old reputations for weeks upon weeks just for the privilege of being allowed to purchase a piece of decor with equally out-of-date legacy currencies. This is currently the biggest issue with housing, everything else is secondary.

I have a feeling there's a not-so-small portion of the player base that very much LIKES this sort of thing.

Even though there absolutely is also going to be a lot of players who really, really hate it. My suspicion is Blizzard is going to go "it's just decorative, deal with it" but who knows.

[ercarp]

I have a feeling there's a not-so-small portion of the player base that very much LIKES this sort of thing.

Only because they've heard some YouTuber make a comment about how Blizzard needs to "make old content relevant again"—a sentiment I generally agree with, but this is not the way to do it. They've essentially gone for the most soul-crushing, tedious, and creatively hollow approach. It's so disrespectful of the players' time in a game that's already chock-full of time sinks.

[Raetary]

Nobody in their right mind is gonna wanna do old professions or grind decade-old reputations for weeks upon weeks

True.

They'll do it in a total of 10 minutes by just buying a bunch of rep tokens when the respective expansions timewalking event is up.

[Piratella]

They need to fix decor acquisition stat, otherwise the entire feature is dead in the water. Nobody in their right mind is gonna wanna do old professions or grind decade-old reputations for weeks upon weeks just for the privilege of being allowed to purchase a piece of decor with equally out-of-date legacy currencies. This is currently the biggest issue with housing, everything else is secondary.

So, you're upset about having to play in the world, in a game named "World" of Warcraft, not "Most recent content zones" of Warcraft and because you don't want to have to do the work for something you might want? First day I farmed the lumber to build two Gilnean Problem Solvers. Perhaps you'd like to make use of one of them?

Just because YOU don't like how it's done, doesn't mean EVERYONE is upset about how it's done. Don't spoil it for those of us that are enjoying it just because you want to throw a tantrum (which is exactly what you're doing, "stat".)

[ercarp]

True.

They'll do it in a total of 10 minutes by just buying a bunch of rep tokens when the respective expansions timewalking event is up.

So, using your logic, I'd have to wait ~5 weeks until January 14th (WoD Timewalking) for the privilege of maybe getting to enjoy housing along with everyone else? Yeah, sounds really good, mate.

[Biomega]

Only because they've heard some YouTuber make a comment about how Blizzard needs to "make old content relevant again"—a sentiment I generally agree with, but this is not the way to do it. They've essentially gone for the most soul-crushing, tedious, and creatively hollow approach. It's so disrespectful of the players' time in a game that's already chock-full of time sinks.

What, Blizzard taking a community sentiment and delivering it in a loveless, phoned-in shape devoid of any of the actual spirit behind the suggestion?

THIS CANNOT BE!

[Ashana Darkmoon]

They want it to be a grind, it's supposed to be a thing that keeps people around a long time. Anyone who thought you'd just be able to make whatever you wanted on day 1 (or never pay real money for decos) was kidding themselves.

People who want to go back and do this stuff (doesn't everyone have at least a few friends like this?) are the target audience for the content.

I am not one of those people! I'm actually on the opposite side of the spectrum - I'm never going to be willing to put in the time or effort to make something cool, so I'm just not going to bother at all. Which is fine! Not all content is for everyone

[Raetary]

So, using your logic, I'd have to wait ~5 weeks until January 14th (WoD Timewalking) for the privilege of maybe getting to enjoy housing along with everyone else? Yeah, sounds really good, mate.

I'm telling you how everyone is gonna deal with those reputation.
And they'll do it like they've done it so far.

And there is no uncertainty, no "maybes". you buy the tokens, maybe do a handful of quests and voila, you are exalted with both HotP and CoE.
Now you just walk up to Nuurem and buy whatever you need.
It's a very straight forward Endeavor.

If you "can't enjoy housing" until you got that a specific set of decor in your hands, then that's an issue on your end.
Not something universal.

[Bwgmon]

My only issue so far is that the 200 budget limit on the exterior feels... a bit strict in a lot of cases.

I hope we get to upgrade it a bit.

[Zodiark]

Only because they've heard some YouTuber make a comment about how Blizzard needs to "make old content relevant again"—a sentiment I generally agree with, but this is not the way to do it. They've essentially gone for the most soul-crushing, tedious, and creatively hollow approach. It's so disrespectful of the players' time in a game that's already chock-full of time sinks.

Personally, I both like that idea of acquiring decor from old content and hate it. I definitely hear your point about being respectful of a players time. I am usually a big proponent of time-saving features and QoL updates. I like to get the most bang for my buck each moment I spend in the game. However I am also very much of the mindset that I want older content to be relevant again. Give me reasons to DO this old stuff other than just nostalgia.

That being said I feel like IF they make older faction rep and such account-wide then it will solve a lot of problems as most people at least have some amount of rep earned throughout the game from even the most obscure factions. This does nothing for the new player though who has to grind fresh from nothing. I would probably be onboard for a faction rep nerf. If it's legacy rep then I don't really see why cutting it in half or something would be a bad thing. Other than the fact that you'll have some older players who are salty that their time grinding was wasted as they could have just waited till the next xpac and saved all that time. I feel like it's a slightly deeper problem than would otherwise appear from the surface.

[ercarp]

That being said I feel like IF they make older faction rep and such account-wide then it will solve a lot of problems as most people at least have some amount of rep earned throughout the game from even the most obscure factions. This does nothing for the new player though who has to grind fresh from nothing. I would probably be onboard for a faction rep nerf. If it's legacy rep then I don't really see why cutting it in half or something would be a bad thing.

Yeah, a nerf to legacy reps would be a step in the right direction. I'm also surprised (well, not really... this is Blizzard after all) that they didn't make any of these reps Warbound pre-emptively if they're going to expect people to grind them. Feels like that should have been a no-brainer.

I wonder how many patches it'll take for them to get around to addressing any of these concerns.

[Ironhorn]

I feel blizz serriously under provided with the first list of items. Also so many items should be outdoors that aren't why are torches not outdoor items at all wtf?

[Hitei]

I feel blizz serriously under provided with the first list of items. Also so many items should be outdoors that aren't why are torches not outdoor items at all wtf?

Because people in the alpha(?) took to putting down tons and tons of light-producing objects to destabalize the game so they disabled the vast majority of lighting objects in the exterior to side-step any performance problems.

[Joshuaj]

Idk about you, but my plot was pretty big, even if it didn't encompass the entire area lol. Ik house sizes aren't in yet, but I really want to see how the large size looks, since we know of the small size, and we got a glimpse of the medium size in the preview images.

[Ironhorn]

Because people in the alpha(?) took to putting down tons and tons of light-producing objects to destabalize the game so they disabled the vast majority of lighting objects in the exterior to side-step any performance problems.

Then put a limit on light producing items outdoors per house. Not that hard.