[SPECULATION] Reclaiming Undercity

[Kilpi]

Since Lorderon City was an Alliance & Horde territory with the introduction of WoW Vanilla and Undercity, it might be a good place for Sanctuary since Dalaran already retired thanks to Xal'atath.

How was it Alliance & Horde territory?

[Enrif]

How was it Alliance & Horde territory?

perhaps he means Lordaeron pre-scourge?

[Kilpi]

perhaps he means Lordaeron pre-scourge?

Sure, but isn't that different Alliance (pre WC3) and he specifically said "WoW Vanilla".

[Enrif]

Sure, but isn't that different Alliance (pre WC3) and he specifically said "WoW Vanilla".

technically the same alliance, and not, depending who you ask. But yeah, the WoW Vanilla statement is strange. The closest alliance posts to lordaeron in Vanilla is either Chillwind Camp in EPL, or technically Dalaran. Not much Alliance in Lordaeron proper.

[Just Passing through]

Undercity was, technically, reclaimed in SL when Calia helped remove the plaque, and later in the Forsaken Heritage quest they have it under control, but only above ground.

But, making Undercity another horde city a full revemap, would be another spitting in the face of the shit the alliance got with Bel'ameth and Gilneas: Nothing. While the horde got a fully realized Undermine, a fresh Silvermoon, maybe even the forest trolls.

"alliance bias" yeah sure, coming from the spoiled horde kids.

As a 80% Horde player, I still give you this. Yeah, Gilneas and Bel'ameth need a bit more love, a lot more love. Make them feel like proper areas to hang out. And a portal to Gilneas from major hubs, not just the Boat journey from Bel'ameth

[vertigo12]

perhaps he means Lordaeron pre-scourge?

If we are talking about the Blood Elves and Lorderon Human who became the Forsaken,
Yes, the WC3/WC3:TFT era for the Alliance. Well they are still part of the Alliance in WoW:Vanilla since the only time they became Horde was during TBC, the Sin'dorei I mean.

WoW:Vanilla was the turning point for the introduction of the Forsaken to the Horde and thanks to them Blood Elves were introduced after.

Right now Calia is still considered part of the Alliance even though she is now the leader of the new Forsaken despite the existence of Desolate Council.

[vertigo12]

technically the same alliance, and not, depending who you ask. But yeah, the WoW Vanilla statement is strange. The closest alliance posts to lordaeron in Vanilla is either Chillwind Camp in EPL, or technically Dalaran. Not much Alliance in Lordaeron proper.

Everybody who died and became reanimated are all from Lordaeron and Quel'thalas and strictly that region during WC3 is exclusively part of the Alliance.

I mean the only reason why Sylvanas took the mantle as the leader of the undead not under the influence of the Scourge and regained their freewill then asked to be instated within the Horde is because they are now "freaks of nature" and "monsters" by the living.

Times changed as both the Horde and Alliance became tolerant with the undead, DKs and when Shadowland became accessible.

[Kathranis]

If we are talking about the Blood Elves and Lorderon Human who became the Forsaken,
Yes, the WC3/WC3:TFT era for the Alliance. Well they are still part of the Alliance in WoW:Vanilla since the only time they became Horde was during TBC, the Sin'dorei I mean.

Everybody who died and became reanimated are all from Lordaeron and Quel'thalas and strictly that region during WC3 is exclusively part of the Alliance.

Just for the record, the WC2/WC3 era Alliance was the Alliance of Lordaeron, formed after the fall of Stormwind at the end of the First War. It basically collapsed after the Second War, when Anduin Lothar's death ended the blood oath between the high elves and humans, and the human nations fell back into internecine conflicts.

The WoW era Alliance is the Grand Alliance, a separate faction based out of the rebuilt Stormwind.

[Count Zero]

There are many cliffhangers dangling from different expansion all ending up in tied knot.

9) Cataclysm & the Hour of Twilight, Murozond's True Vision DF's Dawn of the Infinite

I was waiting since Cata to get the resolution to the Murozond plot and all we got was a middle chapter. I'm worried we never get a proper conclusion. I hope it ties in with TLT, like maybe Nozdormu turning from the Titans and willingly embracing Void empowerment to become Murozond. Maybe it advances some in Midnight even.

[vertigo12]

WC3 Alliance has 2 version:
The Human Faction have the Human of Lordaeron, Dwarves sans Dark Iron, and Highelves of Quel'thalas: sorcs, priests

WC3:TFT
This was the turning point for the Highelves and becoming the Sindorei and Kael'thas leaving Azeroth as he tag along with Lady Vashj & Illidan as they head to Outland.

WoW:Vanilla was the continuation of WC3:TFT when Arthas finally reaching the Frozen Throne thereby erecting ICC over it, Illidan's bout with DK Arthras and thus weakening his infuence toward Lordaeron undead so Sylvanas rallying those who are no longer part of the Scourge as they try to establish their very own society. They tried to seek the acceptance of the Horde since the Grand Alliance won't be accepting of their nature.

[kranur]

Funny how some people seem to care about these. Come next expansion, these will become like 95% of WoW .. abadonded and forgotten.

[vertigo12]

Funny how some people seem to care about these. Come next expansion, these will become like 95% of WoW .. abadonded and forgotten.

The Last Titans would definitely be on a planetary scale, think of the changes being made like Cata 2.0 but the implementation woul be procedural like Isle of Quel'danas meets Fireland meets Argent Tournament and phased versions of the zones like Visions.