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  1. #1001
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    Lack of accountwide stuff.
    How you cant make gold just playing the game. You either boost, spam trade chat for crafting services, play the AH or buy wow tokens since everything else is botted.

  2. #1002
    Quote Originally Posted by Haruhime View Post
    The playerbase.

    Especially those that can't stop giving comments to a game they have quit 10 years ago and never plan to play again. Please move on guys and play something different that you enjoy. WoW doesn't have to live rent free in your heads.
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    10000000000000% agree.

    people Forums, twitch streamers (asmon%$^*) , youtubers etc.

    You do not like something you do not play? move on :P

    balance. Balance in things to do (sometimes droughts, sometimes to much to do). some events being great other being midnight pre patch :P.
    balance of classes etc etc.

    Or

    everyone, everything, everywhere at once.
    Aka to many races , can do to many classes, to many specs can do 2 much.
    Sometimes it does not even make sense. void elf priest?
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  3. #1003
    In the year 2026 they still only make armor sets that fit on human male mannequins without clipping issues.

    I STG they are building heritage armor sets for non-humans on human male mannequins.

  4. #1004
    That classes and factions are still race based.
    No armor dyes
    Shamans aren't 4 specs with each spec built around one of the 4 elements.
    Man Cat and Man bear forms aren't widely available or available at all.
    The old areas aren't used more in current storylines
    Professions have been made too complicated and gated
    No mogu or tuskarr playable races
    This new ability squish
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  5. #1005
    -Destroyed Open World PVP (PVP servers were better, there was no escape)
    -Phased zones (stuff vanishing in front of you)
    -Enemy NPC calling us mortals (they are the ones who dies)
    -That quest asking you to gather monster eyes or lungs etc, kills monster no eyes or lungs dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgaith View Post
    Lack of accountwide stuff.
    How you cant make gold just playing the game. You either boost, spam trade chat for crafting services, play the AH or buy wow tokens since everything else is botted.
    Theres literally 15 000 gold per character available in world quests per week.
    And at best I've been making tens of thousands of gold an hour with gathering during TWW and my skills are shit. But that requires early season.
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    If you're disabled you shouldn't be playing World of Warcraft of all fucking games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostile View Post
    Theres literally 15 000 gold per character available in world quests per week.
    And at best I've been making tens of thousands of gold an hour with gathering during TWW and my skills are shit. But that requires early season.
    No offense but 15k for that much work is nothing, 0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgaith View Post
    No offense but 15k for that much work is nothing, 0.
    So the problem isn't not being able to make gold by playing, it's not getting gold for zero effort.
    Which would in return make everything so expensive the gold you get by just playing is worthless.
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    If you're disabled you shouldn't be playing World of Warcraft of all fucking games.
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  9. #1009
    It's not really about zero effort, it's about the ridiculous imbalance of effort. $20 - basically two lunches in the US (one in California!) - for 300k+ (or more at times) versus spending hours doing WQ for basically nothing.

    Just economically speaking, grinding gold via labor in this game (questing, gathering, etc) is not even close to worth the time for any adult unless they get lots of intrinsic joy from the activity.

    Also the prices of boosting are mostly set by token prices at this point
    A better way to think about Casual v Hardcore: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...asual-Hardcore

  10. #1010
    Quote Originally Posted by Haruhime View Post
    The playerbase.

    Especially those that can't stop giving comments to a game they have quit 10 years ago and never plan to play again. Please move on guys and play something different that you enjoy. WoW doesn't have to live rent free in your heads.
    The clarification was needed. Because that is NOT the "playerbase". In fact, I have been asking and will continue to do so - "What is this playerbase" you people talk about?

    To me it is everyone playing - so EVERYONE pisses you off?

  11. #1011
    Quote Originally Posted by Morgaith View Post
    No offense but 15k for that much work is nothing, 0.
    huh? its like 20minutes of play tops, and if you can actualy do some weekly q with it - which you usualy can at least 2 by doing those wq - you get another 1,5k for each, with huge chance of 3k each, and chance of 15k each, and possibly one slot in vault (if you only get "half" you can do something like theater or something that reuires 2minutes) which you can turn into another 1k...
    so 20, okay lets be slow as hell and say 30m of work a week (per char) can give you AT LEAST 15k guaranteed with chance of another up to 30k... plus possibly some mats...

    yeah, you can make SHITLOADS of gold just "playing the game"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyris Flare View Post
    unless they get lots of intrinsic joy from the activity.
    yeah, if you dont enjoy playing the game then you dont get the gold ...but why would you need it then ffs? to buy things in game you DONT ENJOY?!

  12. #1012
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post

    yeah, if you dont enjoy playing the game then you dont get the gold ...but why would you need it then ffs? to buy things in game you DONT ENJOY?!
    ...what? Many people enjoy the game and never do world quests or gather stuff.

    The point is that the economics don't work out for employed adults. Most of my friends just buy one token per season so they never have to do anything in game besides raid/dungeons. And that is the economically sensible choice compared to spending valuable time doing unrewarding chores they don't like such as WQ or gathering.

    Most of the "rewarding" activities in this game actually cost you gold.
    A better way to think about Casual v Hardcore: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...asual-Hardcore

  13. #1013
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    huh? its like 20minutes of play tops, and if you can actualy do some weekly q with it - which you usualy can at least 2 by doing those wq - you get another 1,5k for each, with huge chance of 3k each, and chance of 15k each, and possibly one slot in vault (if you only get "half" you can do something like theater or something that reuires 2minutes) which you can turn into another 1k...
    so 20, okay lets be slow as hell and say 30m of work a week (per char) can give you AT LEAST 15k guaranteed with chance of another up to 30k... plus possibly some mats...

    yeah, you can make SHITLOADS of gold just "playing the game"...

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    yeah, if you dont enjoy playing the game then you dont get the gold ...but why would you need it then ffs? to buy things in game you DONT ENJOY?!
    45k/hr doing world quests doesn't sound right. That puts the value of a WoW token at 6-7hrs of doing world quests. Doesn't sound accurate.

  14. #1014
    What pisses me of in WoW? Many things, but honestly, the biggest thing right now is the in-game Damage/Healing meter. Specific complaints (as a PvPer)?

    1) The PvP Scoreboard data, that you can toggle mid-match or that pops up at the end of a match, is NEVER even close to Blizzard's own in-game addon replacement.
    1a) Recount and Details! were always, save a very few and quickly resolved hiccups over the years, within 1-2% of the scoreboard in ever single Arena and non-Epic BG that I ever did. Blizzard literally HAS THE DATA ON THE SCOREBOARD yet cannot get it to reflect in their Damage/Healing meter?
    2) Said meter automatically deletes data upon logging off (minor issue, but it bothers me).
    3) Said meter doesn't treat each BG/Arena as a separate encounter (which the now blocked addons did).
    4) Said meter doesn't show you the number of casts of each ability, nor the Critical Strike percentage of your abilities.
    5) Said meter has no CC tracking (other than Interrupts, which is nice, but NOT the same data).

    Are any of these gripes game breaking? No. Are they infuriating, particularly because third party resources perfectly covered them for years? Abso-freaking-lutely.

  15. #1015
    Quote Originally Posted by Clarkis2001 View Post
    Are any of these gripes game breaking? No. Are they infuriating, particularly because third party resources perfectly covered them for years? Abso-freaking-lutely.
    The whole point of their purge was to reduce skill cap by limiting information.

  16. #1016
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    huh? its like 20minutes of play tops, and if you can actualy do some weekly q with it - which you usualy can at least 2 by doing those wq - you get another 1,5k for each, with huge chance of 3k each, and chance of 15k each, and possibly one slot in vault (if you only get "half" you can do something like theater or something that reuires 2minutes) which you can turn into another 1k...
    so 20, okay lets be slow as hell and say 30m of work a week (per char) can give you AT LEAST 15k guaranteed with chance of another up to 30k... plus possibly some mats...

    yeah, you can make SHITLOADS of gold just "playing the game"...

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    yeah, if you dont enjoy playing the game then you dont get the gold ...but why would you need it then ffs? to buy things in game you DONT ENJOY?!
    From the Worldsoul Quest every other 2 weeks you can be lucky and get 15-20k gold from that alone(its rare, for sure)

    I have been doing the K'aresh WQs now the last month since I didnt have a lot of things to do in game, but each character getting 6-7k in average for 10-15min of WQ is pretty decent. Better than farming mats at the late stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    45k/hr doing world quests doesn't sound right. That puts the value of a WoW token at 6-7hrs of doing world quests. Doesn't sound accurate.
    I would guess that implies that you have to wait 3-4 days for the WQ reset. So its more like in a week or more per character(to get 45k gold). I have done the Karesh WQs on 6-8 characters depending how many WQ with gold, and in 1.5 hours I will get 40-50k from it, but I also have to wait 3-4 days for the WQ quest to continue to make gold.

    So in essence that would make it equal to 6-7-8 weeks if you got many alts to do to get a WoW token(in EU)
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  17. #1017
    Most players don’t really buy these justifications anymore. If something feels more frustrating than meaningful, it just looks like a setup for monetization.

    It’s not about being “lazy” — people just don’t want artificial friction. If a problem exists mainly so you can pay to remove it, players notice that quickly.

  18. #1018
    Professions still piss me off. Give me back my pre Dragonflight professions

  19. #1019
    Quote Originally Posted by Big Thanks View Post
    Now image THAT but ME being an oldman refusing to download the curseforge app.
    I did it manually for years.
    Only 1 or 2 years ago i had to download the app because was too much to do manually
    You know. I used to do it manually too. But it got to be too much at some point. Also most of the addons got corralled into curseforge at some point. I actually used some other app for a while till CF basically shut them down or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thirtyrock View Post
    Professions still piss me off. Give me back my pre Dragonflight professions
    Yeah, I kinda get this. I mean they seem to want to make Professions a pillar of gameplay but what about the avg player who just wants to make a few things and tinker around? Sure you CAN do this a bit early on but it's only a matter of time after the first season starts in any given expansion that you need to do a lot more. So you basically are forced to rely on others who DO partake in that pillar or just leave it alone. Which is annoying because there is no real middle ground. I mean you'll get to prof cap with just a modicum of effort but then what? To get other recipes you need to farm rep, but the rep rewards offer multiple options. Either recipes or gear. So you say sure I'll get both but then you realize that the currency isn't cheap. So unless you mainly stick to ONE toon it will become increasingly harder to use those rep rewards to help gear up while also staying on top of new recipes. To ME those recipes should be super cheap because the barrier to entry should be the rep itself and the requisite skill level to learn those recipes. NOT an arbitrary currency that makes you have to choose between a functional item NOW that you may need vs a recipe that you may or may not need but want to/have to add to your crafting book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    From the Worldsoul Quest every other 2 weeks you can be lucky and get 15-20k gold from that alone(its rare, for sure)

    I have been doing the K'aresh WQs now the last month since I didnt have a lot of things to do in game, but each character getting 6-7k in average for 10-15min of WQ is pretty decent. Better than farming mats at the late stage.

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    I would guess that implies that you have to wait 3-4 days for the WQ reset. So its more like in a week or more per character(to get 45k gold). I have done the Karesh WQs on 6-8 characters depending how many WQ with gold, and in 1.5 hours I will get 40-50k from it, but I also have to wait 3-4 days for the WQ quest to continue to make gold.

    So in essence that would make it equal to 6-7-8 weeks if you got many alts to do to get a WoW token(in EU)
    Once in a while I'll do this. Most times I can't be bothered to use my army of alts to make gold. I don't really NEED that much gold but if I did I would rather plunk down a few bucks and just buy a token and save my sanity. 1.5 hours to me in game is important. I could be doing enjoyable fun things. 45-50k isn't even that much. IF I could make $300k in 1.5 hours then I would be interested. However so would everyone else. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    That classes and factions are still race based.
    No armor dyes
    Shamans aren't 4 specs with each spec built around one of the 4 elements.
    Man Cat and Man bear forms aren't widely available or available at all.
    The old areas aren't used more in current storylines
    Professions have been made too complicated and gated
    No mogu or tuskarr playable races
    This new ability squish
    Umm well I don't really care about the ability squish too much. However most of your other stuff is spot on man. Bravo. I have been peeved for years that there is no armor Dye system. I think Shaman should have a 4th tank spec based on the earth. Were-cat forms would be dope. I feel like more skins for the old mage tower druid were-bear forms would be really nice. Maybe even make them customizable?
    The old areas not being used in current storylines has been an area of contention with me since as long as I've been playing WoW. They do some cursory BS token quest that sends you back but I always wanted more dynamic questing with current storylines to send us back to old areas/zones to do full on stories.

    About professions, well that was the point of my above post.
    Mogu and Tuskarr would be a lot of fun. Not to mention Ogres...

  20. #1020
    I hate class systems in games. Gimme a job system its so much better.

    for explanation of job system

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JobSystem

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...terClassSystem

    Difference isnt super big but like imo
    job system makes your main more important. It doesnt discourage alts.

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