I want City Neighbourhoods

[Flaks]

The fact that the homes aren't incorporated into the main capitals is one of the biggest turn offs of the whole system for me. That plus the fact that all content gives you housing things but housing gives you literally nothing for any other content means I'll engage with it even less than pet battles.

And then the cherry on top is how it's clearly the keynote feature of midnight and clearly every single other aspect of "new expansion" has taken a hit for it.

[Seiklis]

The true post cata Gadgetzan is the answer here

[ashaife]

Aw, see I'd so love to have a house that's townhouse style and squished between other ones. As a rogue, I've been wanting to make something that's more confined and subtle and packed, but I'm not wanting to do the multiple leves in one room thing. I'd have loved just a few levels with stairs in the back and an attic I can build within.

[Alanar]

Bel'ameth isn't a city, it's a settlement, if they develop it into one, and they make it look really good - as I know they're capable of after seeing Zin'Azshari in WArbringers and Suramar in Legion, then off course I'd suggest it.

and abandon this notion that, Suramar isn't night elven.. sheesh, just because the Nightborne went horde doesn't erase it being a night elf city and night elf design,

Wether you like it or not, Bel ameth is the new night elf place and it shows their house style, which is literally the same as the night elf housing style. After the df campaign, you see more houses added and a place for all night elf forces. Instead of the heavy arcane, bright arcane spires and marble, night elves have wood styles and roots. I think the current amirdrassil city/extended village looks cool and totally in line with the night elves. As others said it as well, it deserves a place in the poll for obvious reasons.

I think you are missing the point here Mace. I am not going over and endless debate were you keep refering nightborne to night elves. Again, I get it, they are as of forum terms a subrace of night elves or just transformed night elves, aka no longer true night elves. The thing is, none of it is relevant or needs constant adressing. When we look and speak on nightborne and night elf current directions and styles, we take them seperate. They are clearly separate on basically everything. Including factions. Wether that is pre sundering night elf style (evolved into nightborne) in name is just not important.

As you know, night elves split off way before wow. Without the nightborne, we wouldnt even have this (evolved) style as it was long gone with the sundering. The night elves you play never adopted or continued with that style, instead they moved on and developed their own style. Same as Suramar and the nightborne. It clealy evolved with heavy magic use and looks different from pre sundering Zin Azshari style. The point is exactly that, that they are different from the night elves on the blue side, regardless of their past.

No, you should honestly abandon your whole idea of that they are together. Its just a name and their past, we are literally over that. We have clear understanding what they are, who they are allied with, what they stand for and what the barriers are here. Suramar is now the nightborne city and part of the horde. So you keep saying that it used to be a night elf/highborne city, but it simply doesnt matter or mean much here. But what does matter here is, that tradittional faction and game rules are applied here. Which is just a fact. So instead of delusion and trying to ty it together, maybe just use the ingame terms,rules and barriers and apply that to your idea. Makes it much easier.

Conclusion: If major cities become part of housing, then Suramar would just be a horde option and not a night elf alliance option.

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I do apologise Alanar, I ignored the first word. Technically. You are correct, technically, Nightborne are not racially exactly night elves any more,.

This the crux of that story isnt it and it doesnt need the word (technically) perse to understand it. Look, I have been saying the same thing all the time. They are just not the same and it shows in everything. You just have to accept that and move on here. I am afraid tho, this will yet again be a nothingburger to you and you will go 180 again in the next thread. Repeating the cycle.

[Mace]

Wether you like it or not, Bel ameth is the new night elf place and it shows their house style, which is literally the same as the night elf housing style. After the df campaign, you see more houses added and a place for all night elf forces. Instead of the heavy arcane, bright arcane spires and marble, night elves have wood styles and roots. I think the current amirdrassil city/extended village looks cool and totally in line with the night elves. As others said it as well, it deserves a place in the poll for obvious reasons.

Oh I definitely like Bel'ameth, and I've always liked the night elven architectures, both the rural ones and the city ones.

I think you tend to forget night elven race has both rural and urban architecture - Suramar city , the old Darnassus, the many ruins (incl Dire Maul and Nar'thalas), and Zin'Azshari in Warbringers are all night elven architecture, same with the Temple of Elune, The Temple of the Moon, the Cathedral of eternal night - as much as the rural designs in Val'sharah village, Astrannar, Bel'ameth, Lor'danel and Auberdine... same with the marbled ruin towns like Tel'anor and Meredil - that is the night elven set.

As fitting of a major faction like humans and orcs, they have a complement of rural and urban architectures.. Not quite as varied as the humans, but if you add the Thalassian architecture into the racial bracket - then they are as varied as the humans who boast Goldshire type rural archiecture, Castle Fortresses, Domed spired cities like Lordaeron and Dalaran as well as 18th century like Gilneas and colonial Kul'tiras.

This is just how wow is and I'm a big fan of the various art sets.

The story and lore are showing us one thing, I'm basing my opinions on that. Rather than trying to ignore that the Darnassians can use arcane magic or are capable of living in civilization cities or have an urban style - I have these views because I've been shown this and told this. I'm not tying to pigeon hole all night elves to a rural forest setting exclusively because I've been shown variation in them, and I like it. It may be less common amongst the main faction, but it's part of the umbrella race. Stating so isn't being stubborn or delusional, it's accepting what they've given us - I'm not one of these people trying ot force night elves to be Savage night elves only because I want blood elves to be the only elves with civilization , magic and forests. This isn't what the lore or game shows me. Why should I accept an erroneous view?

I think you are missing the point here Mace. I am not going over and endless debate were you keep refering nightborne to night elves. Again, I get it, they are as of forum terms a subrace of night elves or just transformed night elves, aka no longer true night elves. The thing is, none of it is relevant or needs constant adressing. When we look and speak on nightborne and night elf current directions and styles, we take them seperate. They are clearly separate on basically everything. Including factions. Wether that is pre sundering night elf style (evolved into nightborne) in name is just not important.

Not missing the point Alanar, just making one, perhaps un-necessarily so, but it came form a place of too many arguments with folk trying to pretend as if the Nightborne and Suramar weren't under the night elven bracket and lore, totally missing the sub-race context that is commonly around. A failing that the community sometimes misses when overly influenced by the opinions of one group and as such sometimes for no logical reason extending a different interpretation or context to elves than any other. Nightborne are not some new elven race that is apart from night elves, any more so than Highmountain are some new Tauren race apart from Tauren is what I'm trying to remind and state. They are merely a new race of night elves, just as void elves are a new race of blood elves. You can correctly say that void elves are a new elven race, but if you try to make the point that they aren't specifically a new race of blood/high elves that would be miss leading. Same with Nightborne are. yes are a new race of elves, but a new race of night elves - as in a variation.

The story and lore are showing us one thing, I'm basing my opinions on that. Rather than trying to ignore that the Darnassians can use arcane magic or are capable of living in civilization cities or have an urban style - I have these views because I've been shown this and told this. I'm not tying to pigeon hole all night elves to a rural forest setting exclusively because I've been shown variation in them, and I like it. It may be less common amongst the main faction, but it's part of the umbrella race. Stating so isn't being stubborn or delusional, it's accepting what they've given us - I'm not one of these people trying ot force night elves to be Savage night elves only because I want blood elves to be the only elves with civilization , magic and forests. This isn't what the lore or game shows me. Why should I accept an erroneous view?

As you know, night elves split off way before wow. Without the nightborne, we wouldnt even have this (evolved) style as it was long gone with the sundering. The night elves you play never adopted or continued with that style, instead they moved on and developed their own style. Same as Suramar and the nightborne. It clealy evolved with heavy magic use and looks different from pre sundering Zin Azshari style. The point is exactly that, that they are different from the night elves on the blue side, regardless of their past.

Not entirely true, I get your point. I do, and truly, I'm not trying to be difficult and stubborn, even if you disagree with me, hear me out, try to see my point of view at least and the observations I made that lead to them - as well as the context of the statements once more. Even if you've seen it before. The Shen'dralar split off, but remained in night elven culture, as did the Nightborne who also remain in night elven culture. The Darnassians, also continued in a night elven culture, just one that preceded the culture of the civilization, which makes sense since they were living without their usual amenities.

But you are wrong that the night elves "never" continued in the style. What you are missing is that the current rural style is as ancient as the city styles and the current night elves use both. Some of those rural buildings go back to well before the sundering and seems to be thetype they use in remote places [case and point the lodge in Winterspring pre-dates the sundering - and in game blizzard used it also for high elves for their remote one off lodges [like the one in Loch Modan and Hinterlands] The city style you claim they dropped were 100% used in Darnassus, the developers created that style for the night elves and didn't change it. When they did Suramar or Zin'Azsahri they upgraded the texture like they o for every race visited after the classic era... Draenei got it, blood elves have it in Midnight, orcs got it, humans had several upgrades too.

However this is the style for night elven civilization. Suramar was not designed as some new form alien elven architecture representing a new category of elf, no, it was designed to represent and show the kaldorei civilization architecture in its pristine state.. to fit the descriptions of how fantastical and incredible the night elven cities were in lore, of which we had only seen ruins in-game [hence new to the player population]. Note how the ruins were also updated to better match the pristine version of the style you see in Suramar and in Zin'Azshari.

IF Darnassus gets redone, it's marble structures will resemble those of Suramar and Zin'Azshari too, as that ist he night elven style. There is no reason to do different.

Suramar was meant to be bringing the night elven city from the lore books to life. Nightborne racial variation was meant, like every other sub-race to be a variation and it was intended to be for the story designed to be discontinued .. Afrisiabi said we were destroying the Nightborne and revealed the Nightfallen would eventually be healed back to night elves. The purpose of the story was to bring the night elf lore of the books to life cos they'd never done that adn we'd not seen it properly till 7.0 and 8.0

The story and lore are showing us one thing, I'm basing my opinions on that. Rather than trying to ignore that the Darnassians can use arcane magic or are capable of living in civilization cities or have an urban style - I have these views because I've been shown this and told this. I'm not tying to pigeon hole all night elves to a rural forest setting exclusively because I've been shown variation in them, and I like it. It may be less common amongst the main faction, but it's part of the umbrella race. Stating so isn't being stubborn or delusional, it's accepting what they've given us - I'm not one of these people trying ot force night elves to be Savage night elves only because I want blood elves to be the only elves with civilization , magic and forests. This isn't what the lore or game shows me. Why should I accept an erroneous view?

No, you should honestly abandon your whole idea of that they are together. Its just a name and their past, we are literally over that.

There is nothing to abandon, they are not together as a nation. The shend'larar until recently were not either, the elves have split up and divided.. but they are still of the night elven race, just not of the night elven faction.

The Shen'dralar allied themselves with the Darnassians, the Nightborne with the blood elves, hte Illidari also accepted blood elves and remain independent of both night elves and blood elves and now operate as a class faction rather than a racial "nation" faction.

The story and lore are showing us one thing, I'm basing my opinions on that. Rather than trying to ignore that the Darnassians can use arcane magic or are capable of living in civilization cities or have an urban style - I have these views because I've been shown this and told this. I'm not tying to pigeon hole all night elves to a rural forest setting exclusively because I've been shown variation in them, and I like it. It may be less common amongst the main faction, but it's part of the umbrella race. Stating so isn't being stubborn or delusional, it's accepting what they've given us - I'm not one of these people trying ot force night elves to be Savage night elves only because I want blood elves to be the only elves with civilization , magic and forests. This isn't what the lore or game shows me. Why should I accept an erroneous view?

So instead of delusion and trying to ty it together, maybe just use the ingame terms,rules and barriers and apply that to your idea. Makes it much easier.

I'm just pointing out what they are, it's not delusional to state it. And if you call hoping for night elven civilization architecture too become available as delusional, it isn't, it's just a desire.

But if you think that calling night elven civilization as night elven is delusional because the Darnassians have been mostly rural, that is not delusional that is factually correct. It is night elven civilization, Suramar is the epitome and zenith of Night elven civilization. As were their other cities (now in ruins), because the night elves there are now Nightborne, a sub-race of night elves physically, hasn't changed their night elven city and culture.

And you need to recognise that hte culture is night elven, and there is nothing wrong with that. The Darnassians living a different culture doesn't stop the culture of Suramar adn the pre-sundering era from being night elven. The Shen'dralar who are allied with the Night elf faction we refer to as Darnassians still live in that culture also. It is a night elven culture. This isn't rocket science or delusion. Yes you could call it Nightborne also, but Nightborne culture is night elven culture. Until the Nightborne culture moves to somethign that isn't night elven, it will always remain so.

The story and lore are showing us one thing, I'm basing my opinions on that. Rather than trying to ignore that the Darnassians can use arcane magic or are capable of living in civilization cities or have an urban style - I have these views because I've been shown this and told this. I'm not tying to pigeon hole all night elves to a rural forest setting exclusively because I've been shown variation in them, and I like it. It may be less common amongst the main faction, but it's part of the umbrella race. Stating so isn't being stubborn or delusional, it's accepting what they've given us - I'm not one of these people trying to force night elves to be Savage night elves only because I want blood elves to be the only elves with civilization , magic and forests. This isn't what the lore or game shows me. Why should I accept an erroneous view?

Conclusion: If major cities become part of housing, then Suramar would just be a horde option and not a night elf alliance option.

you sure, this might be true, but judging by the housing equipment, it would be classified as elven.. and we won't get that city style unless we start having city buildings.

What is likely to happen is that we would go into city neighbourhoods, an and it remains to be seen if Alliance will be making homes in Silvermoon as void and high elves, and in Suramar who politically as a city should be open to all her saviours including her kin amongst the alliance, but may not .. who knows.

There is no reason why it shouldn't though.

The story and lore are showing us one thing, I'm basing my opinions on that. Rather than trying to ignore that the Darnassians can use arcane magic or are capable of living in civilization cities or have an urban style - I have these views because I've been shown this and told this. I'm not tying to pigeon hole all night elves to a rural forest setting exclusively because I've been shown variation in them, and I like it. It may be less common amongst the main faction, but it's part of the umbrella race. Stating so isn't being stubborn or delusional, it's accepting what they've given us - I'm not one of these people trying to force night elves to be Savage night elves only because I want blood elves to be the only elves with civilization , magic and forests. This isn't what the lore or game shows me. Why should I accept an erroneous view?

Even if the game shows up and calls it Shal'dorei - Shal'dorei means kaldorei sub-race or sub-group - I know which elven half it's associated with the Night elf part, not the day/blood elf part

This the crux of that story isnt it and it doesnt need the word (technically) perse to understand it. Look, I have been saying the same thing all the time. They are just not the same and it shows in everything. You just have to accept that and move on here. I am afraid, this will yet again be a nothingburger to you and you will go 180 again in the next thread. Repeating the cycle.

Nothing burger - oh the irony

The story and lore are showing us one thing, I'm basing my opinions on that. Rather than trying to ignore that the Darnassians can use arcane magic or are capable of living in civilization cities or have an urban style - I have these views because I've been shown this and told this. I'm not tying to pigeon hole all night elves to a rural forest setting exclusively because I've been shown variation in them, and I like it. It may be less common amongst the main faction, but it's part of the umbrella race. Stating so isn't being stubborn or delusional, it's accepting what they've given us - I'm not one of these people trying to force night elves to be Savage night elves only because I want blood elves to be the only elves with civilization , magic and forests. This isn't what the lore or game shows me. Why should I accept an erroneous view?

[Alanar]

Wether you like it or not, Bel ameth is the new night elf place and it shows their house style, which is literally the same as the night elf housing style. After the df campaign, you see more houses added and a place for all night elf forces. Instead of the heavy arcane, bright arcane spires and marble, night elves have wood styles and roots. I think the current amirdrassil city/extended village looks cool and totally in line with the night elves. As others said it as well, it deserves a place in the poll for obvious reasons.

Oh I defintiely like Bel'ameth, and I've always liked the night elven architectures, both the rural ones and the city ones.

I think you tend to forget night elven race has both rural and urban architecture - Suramar city , the old Darnassus, the many ruins (incl Dire Maul and Nar'thalas), and Zin'Azshari in Warbringers are all night elven architecture, same with the Temple of Elune, The Temple of the Moon, the Cathedral of eternal night - as much as the rural designs in Val'sharah village, Astrannar, Bel'ameth, Lor'danel and Auberdine... same with the marbled ruin towns like Tel'anor and Meredil - that is the night elven set.

The various styles are not all relevant, thats the point. We talking about the two playable races, which both have their own unique style currently. Lets stick to that as that is what we are refering to. Suramar and bel ameth both look very different and are their todays style. That is what matters now.
There are alot more assets available now and they created things that werent pressent or important in vanilla, let that sink in. Judge it for what it is currently and how they shifted away.

Not missing the point Alanar, They are merely a new race of night elves, just as void elves are a new race of blood elves. You can correctly say that void elves are a new elven race, but if you try to make the point that they aren't specifically a new race of blood/high elves that would be miss leading. Same with Nightborne are. yes are a new race of elves, but a new race of night elves - as in a variation.

Yes, so they are treated as a new version of elves as I said many times. Separate of the night elves. We also treat void elves like that. A mutated or transformed version of its core race what ever you want to call it. Now called and looks different. Lets leave the word subrace behind. We get it, it just doesnt add much. We are correct if we call them, nightborne and void elves. Dont tell me, every time you speak of void elves you say something like: high/blood elves void elves. We also dont say night elf nightborne. We just dont do that.

Not entirely true, I get your point. I do, and truly, I'm not trying to be difficult and stubborn, even if you disagree with me, hear me out, try to see my point of view at least and the observations I made that lead to them - as well as the context of the statements once more. Even if you've seen it before. The Shen'dralar split off, but remained in night elven culture, as did the Nightborne who also remain in night elven culture. The Darnassians, also continued in a night elven culture, just one that preceded the culture of the civilization, which makes sense since they were living without their usual amenities.

I think your problem is, that your wording makes for unnessacary references. Nightborne culture is different from the darnassian culture. That is what matters here. The night elves changed here when they split off. Wether you want to put a general tag on that as night elven, be my guest. To make things understandable, we simply refer to nightborne or night elf, because the difference is very much easy to read. One kindom kept their heavy arcan/ magic use and the other one didnt. Thats one major difference that is very evident in their looks, buildings etc.

But you are wrong that the night elves "never" continued in the style. What you are missing is that the current rural style is as ancient as the city styles and the current night elves use both. Some of those rural buildings go back to well before the sundering and seems to be thetype they use in remote places [case and point the lodge in Winterspring pre-dates the sundering - and in game blizzard used it also for high elves for their remote one off lodges [like the one in Loch Modan and Hinterlands] The city style you claim they dropped were 100% used in Darnassus, the developers created that style for the night elves and didn't change it. When they did Suramar or Zin'Azsahri they upgraded the texture like they o for every race visited after the classic era... Draenei got it, blood elves have it in Midnight, orcs got it, humans had several upgrades too.

What you refering to, seems they use excisting ruins from that time, never fully continue with that or adopting the actual style. Darnasus was a mix of ruins, but you clearly see them shift over time. Same as ruins in Hyjal etc. What is relevant is the direction it took, See Suramar or Zin ashari and then their newest direction bel ameth. They moved away from that, for a while now.

However this is the style for night elven civilization. Suramar was not designed as some new form alien elven architecture representing a new category of elf, no, it was designed to represent and show the kaldorei civilization architecture in its pristine state.. to fit the descriptions of how fantastical and incredible the night elven cities were in lore, of which we had only seen ruins in-game [hence new to the player population]. Note how the ruins were also updated to better match the pristine version of the style you see in Suramar and in Zin'Azshari.

Suramar was a chance to see a pre sundering style, but improved or enhanced by magic. A group of highborne night elves who DID continue with their magic use. Now developed as their own. Suramar and Zin Ashari gives you a good idea, what highborne night elf look like versus nightborne. There are differences here. The night elves on the alliance side, are simply not part of that. Yes they share a history, but they dont share their styles and moved away from that pre wow.

IF Darnassus gets redone, it's marble structures will resemble those of Suramar and Zin'Azshari too, as that ist he night elven style. ]

Ye, I dont think so. If Darnassus is redone (which no one is expecting) it will most likely be a bigger Bel ameth. Every ruin is destroyed, so they will most likely continue with what they are doing right now.

Suramar was meant to be bringing the night elven city from the lore books to life. Nightborne racial variation was meant, like every other sub-race to be a variation and it was intended to be for the story designed to be discontinued .. Afrisiabi said we were destroying the Nightborne and revealed the Nightfallen would eventually be healed back to night elves. The purpose of the story was to bring the night elf lore of the books to life cos they'd never done that adn we'd not seen it properly till 7.0 and 8.0

The purpose was to show a pre sundering highborne/night elf style elf. At Blizzcon they clearly spoke of a new version of elves, changed by the nightwell. It was never about the night elves here. He said we have to kill them all, which was obvioualy not true. I dont remember anything regerading changing back to night elf. That would have been weird, as they were no longer night elves to begin with
Afrisiabi hes own words.

The story and lore are showing us one thing, I'm basing my opinions on that. Rather than trying to ignore that the Darnassians can use arcane magic or are capable of living in civilization cities or have an urban style - I have these views because I've been shown this and told this. I'm not tying to pigeon hole all night elves to a rural forest setting exclusively because I've been shown variation in them, and I like it. It may be less common amongst the main faction, but it's part of the umbrella race. Stating so isn't being stubborn or delusional, it's accepting what they've given us - I'm not one of these people trying ot force night elves to be Savage night elves only because I want blood elves to be the only elves with civilization , magic and forests. This isn't what the lore or game shows me. Why should I accept an erroneous view?

This is not opinion based what so ever. I use blizzard and in game terms of these races as much as I can. Magic use in the darnassian circle is nothing compared to the continued use of magic by the nightborne. It shows in game.

I dont like the term umbrella as it makes me think of some made up stuff. No, this is just a forum term and not a blizzard term. Anyway, no, lets not do that and just treat them as nightborne and night elves. Its not like we have 100 different variation where this would be nessacary.

Gameplay wise, they are two seperate race options and not some costumization option for night elves. We are talking about two playable races who both have their own style.

There is nothing to abandon, they are not together as a nation. The shend'larar until recently were not either, the elves have split up and divided.. but they are still of the night elven race, just not of the night elven faction.

The Shen'dralar allied themselves with the Darnassians, the Nightborne with the blood elves, hte Illidari also accepted blood elves and remain independent of both night elves and blood elves and now operate as a class faction rather than a racial "nation" faction.

Right, as I said. They are seperate in basically everything. Shendralar are just night elves and only as of recently are more of relevant group. Magic use is still kinda frown upon with the night elves. They are accepted, but by no means much of a force or at the level of nightborne or blood elves.

I'm just pointing out what they are, it's not delusional to state it. And if you call hoping for night elven civilization architecture too become available as delusional, it isn't, it's just a desire.

We already did that a thousend times. No need to do that again and again. Well the delusion is/was, that you keep trying to ty them together. Its simply irrelavant gameplay, but also lorewise to put them together Besides their past, they are literally opposit of eachother and also not in the same faction. The only connection is the name night elf. Which they dont call themselves that any longer. We all have desires, but in this case not very relevant here.

But if you think that calling night elven civilization as night elven is delusional because the Darnassians have been mostly rural, that is not delusional that is factually correct. It is night elven civilization, Suramar is the epitome and zenith of Night elven civilization. As were their other cities (now in ruins), because the night elves there are now Nightborne, a sub-race of night elves physically, hasn't changed their night elven city and culture.

Again mace, this is your wording and it simply isnt very relevant. I dont really care how you want to call them. We know that they are a subrace or version of, but its not some offical wording or name of said race. We just call them nightborne and if you want to find out about their past or race info, you can check the game or google it. It simply has been changed enough over thousend of years that it simply no longer just night elf culture. Much easier if you would just refer it to nightborne now. So people know what you are talking about. In short: If you say pre sundering night elf, changed by the nightwell, now known as nightborne. You said everything there you need to know.

And you need to recognise that hte culture is night elven, and there is nothing wrong with that. The Darnassians living a different culture doesn't stop the culture of Suramar adn the pre-sundering era from being night elven. The Shen'dralar who are allied with the Night elf faction we refer to as Darnassians still live in that culture also. It is a night elven culture. This isn't rocket science or delusion. Yes you could call it Nightborne also, but Nightborne culture is night elven culture. Until the Nightborne culture moves to somethign that isn't night elven, it will always remain so.

Well, technically its not anymore. Using the word technically maybe helps you here. I also dont know why it matters to you so much that it needs constant adressing. By saying nightborne culture is night elf culture, you seem to refer night elf and nightborne have the same culture or putting night elf and nightborne together, which is simply not the case. Even if you dont mean this, your words make it seem so. Its like sneaking in little words by words to slowely come together again. The thing is, here is no good reason why it needs to be adressed like this. We would just say Nightborne.

you sure, this might be true, but judging by the housing equipment, it would be classified as elven.. and we won't get that city style unless we start having city buildings.

There is a clear difference already between the styles. Like we have night elf and blood elf styles. If we see more race styles being added, it will not just be elven. It would nightborne. Most items of the nightborne already have the name right there already.

What is likely to happen is that we would go into city neighbourhoods, an and it remains to be seen if Alliance will be making homes in Silvermoon as void and high elves, and in Suramar who politically as a city should be open to all her saviours including her kin amongst the alliance, but may not .. who knows.

There is no reason why it shouldn't though.

So far, we have no indication this will be a thing. The current setup doesnt provide any of that, nor is there evidence of this. The evidence is that we have an alliance and horde neighbourhood. Since nightborne and night elves have a clear differences and the night elves have just recently got their own place, its hardly anything that suggest anything beyond that. Its actually that we have enough reasons why it shouldnt be really.

Even if the game shows up and calls it Shal'dorei - Shal'dorei means kaldorei sub-race or sub-group - I know which elven half it's associated with the Night elf part, not the day/blood elf part

No it doesnt mean that, thats just the name of the elven race. Kaldorei, sin dorei shal dorei etc or simply, blood elves, nightborne etc. They are just different elves.

Nothing burger - oh the irony

The irony is that of starting a new mace thread and forget anything that has been said to you and start the cycle again. Thats your whole shizzle tbf.

Ps; please dont copy paste the exact same text in every quote. Overkill and makes it difficult to quote or awnser.

[TheWizardFan88]

I go with Silvermoon City and the Night Elf Neighborhood.

[Alanar]

@Mace

I have to get back on the first qoute, cus I think you are absolutely right about the Legion night elf structures around the island.

Especially in Valsharah. Where the dragon died (cant remember her name atm). Those are idd very different from Suramar, but they have a cool night elf design. Sadly they didnt use any of this as of night elf building style for housing. It seems blizzard just moved away from that, maybe cus they were partly just ruins that they used conviently.. Hence I keep pointing at their pressent Bel ameth style, which is the same style as night elf housing. Just wanted to correct myself, as I maybe came across naief, but I am aware of those.

[NekoOwlAzure]

I think you are missing the point here Mace. I am not going over and endless debate were you keep refering nightborne to night elves. Again, I get it, they are as of forum terms a subrace of night elves or just transformed night elves, aka no longer true night elves. The thing is, none of it is relevant or needs constant adressing. When we look and speak on nightborne and night elf current directions and styles, we take them seperate. They are clearly separate on basically everything. Including factions. Wether that is pre sundering night elf style (evolved into nightborne) in name is just not important.

As you know, night elves split off way before wow. Without the nightborne, we wouldnt even have this (evolved) style as it was long gone with the sundering. The night elves you play never adopted or continued with that style, instead they moved on and developed their own style. Same as Suramar and the nightborne. It clealy evolved with heavy magic use and looks different from pre sundering Zin Azshari style. The point is exactly that, that they are different from the night elves on the blue side, regardless of their past.

No, you should honestly abandon your whole idea of that they are together. Its just a name and their past, we are literally over that. We have clear understanding what they are, who they are allied with, what they stand for and what the barriers are here. Suramar is now the nightborne city and part of the horde. So you keep saying that it used to be a night elf/highborne city, but it simply doesnt matter or mean much here. But what does matter here is, that tradittional faction and game rules are applied here. Which is just a fact. So instead of delusion and trying to ty it together, maybe just use the ingame terms,rules and barriers and apply that to your idea. Makes it much easier.

Gotta admit, it looks silly to consider Nightborne as different from the Night Elves regardless of whether it's the norm or not. I mean they are basically just Night Elves with a mana withdrawal that made them appear more shrivelled, I didn't really understand why anyone wanted them as a playable race back in the day, it seems like you might as well just play a Night Elf. The Moonguard that have the appearance of Night Elves, maybe the Val'sharah Night Elves and any other Night Elves on the Broken Isles seem like they have the ancient Kal'dorei empire lifestyle with them anyway, they could just adopt it into the Night Elves themselves, it seems that was the whole purpose of the Night Elves discovering their lost heritage on the Broken Isles after all. And the Nightborne always tagging along as the Blood Elves sidekicks just because of "lol balance" does seem like a bit of a cluster.

[Alanar]

Gotta admit, it looks silly to consider Nightborne as different from the Night Elves regardless of whether it's the norm or not. .

Well, same can be said about Void elves, lightforged etc. I find them silly as well, but the opinion simply doesnt mean much.

Everything has been said already about the Nightborne as a race, but this thread was about housing styles. I talked about night elves and nightborne differences there. So, even if you cant see the difference between the two racewise. I hope there is nothing wrong with your eyes seeing the difference between Suramar and Bel ameth. That was the point.

[NekoOwlAzure]

Well, same can be said about Void elves, lightforged etc. I find them silly as well, but the opinion simply doesnt mean much.

Everything has been said already about the Nightborne as a race, but this thread was about housing styles. I talked about night elves and nightborne differences there. So, even if you cant see the difference between the two racewise. I hope there is nothing wrong with your eyes seeing the difference between Suramar and Bel ameth. That was the point.

Well one is the ancient Kal'dorei empire style when they used magic for everything but they still have some plants and nature there, and the other is wooden, log cabin type with teddy bear storybook vibes. Different style and I guess maybe culture but still Night Elves, only Nightborne had a mana withdrawal and became a bit shrivelled looking which is the only reason they look different from Night Elves, I didn't really understand why people wanted them playable, never really saw the appeal and dunno why they didn't prioritise something else.

[Alanar]

Well one is the ancient Kal'dorei empire style when they used magic for everything but they still have some plants and nature there, and the other is wooden, log cabin type with teddy bear storybook vibes.

What ever you want to call it, but ye clear difference I would say. I think that is cool, Like the current blood elf and night elf housing styles, More styles like that, for example Nightborne or what ever race could be added.

On the whole why: It has always been about the Og npc models of the Nightborne and general vibe. Many people liked how they looked. But sadly, we all know how that turned out.