Midnight "brokie edition" start 3 days late

[Xilurm]

soo we should pretend early access is and issue bcs of COMPLETELY DIFFERENT issue? bcs yeah, it is 10000% different issue...
i guess it makes sense, as long as you dont try to use your brain and think about it...

but you are right about one thing, hypocrisy of some people, who come here and whine about this non-issue as if its end of the world, and then go and pay and play the game... if you are truly so concerned go, boycott it, or stop pretending you actualy care about anything more than the complaining itself...
i would say people like YOU are the reason it happens, people who do have issue with something and do nothing, why should people who clearly see no issue with this do something if you dont?!

it was the same shit with TWW, early access will be the end of the world! then nothing happened and all (or most) those who had issue with it hapily played, and it was not even mentioned since tww release till now... what a laughable non-issue you people can overblown into pure doom, its incredible...

I'm definitely not buying EA so idk what you're talking about.

why should people who clearly see no issue with this do something if you dont?!

The fact that there's even people that see no issue is a massive problem.

It's one thing to not do anything about it even if you aren't partaking of the problem. But seeing no issue with it? That's worse than anything else, by far.

Yes the OP did gift an the EA to his friend which makes the problem bigger. But him coming here and complaining about it, is at least doing something. Is it hypocritical? Yes, but he's at least doing something. Now if he keeps doing these things that'd be worse of course. But you coming in here and telling him there's no actual issue and telling him off, makes you much, MUCH worse than him.

[MikesGameWorld]

Same, not buying into that. I'd rather wait until the worst is behind us in terms of login queues/bugs. I still vividly remember Warlords of Draenor on the first day. Was unplayable.

I can login 3 days early but I will defenitly will be in a queue for about 45 min to 1 hour and then the game isn't even playable cause of the lag.

[Al Gorefiend]

Can't say its fair but also don't really think it matters anymore since fairness is a fairytale in 2026

[Ielenia]

I was more or less referring to those that mainly play WoW like myself. I have played most major MMORPG's back in the WoW-Killer days. I have had years of game time in GW2 and FFXIV as well as SWTOR. Just to name a few. WoW is my game for better or worse. I take a break to play a single player game once in a while sure if something really good comes out like BG3 and such. I mean that's me though If you or anyone else wants to play other things have at it. When I had way more free time than I do now I used to bounce around with 2-3 different monthly subs going for different MMO's. So I get it.

You don't have anything to distract you during those three days? No single-player games either? Hell, it doesn't even have to be other games. How about watching a series, or engaging in other hobbies, etc?

Not to mention, your friends in EA are likely not going to be having as much fun as you think they will. After all, back to your club analogy: what fun is there to do in said club when the place is still mostly empty, the bar hasn't opened, the dance floor is closed, and the DJ hasn't even arrived yet, so all you got are a small sample of songs played on repeat?

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So many people in here are against the OP lol. I bet the same exact people also complain about CEO's treating people like trash.

Guess what, you guys are the reason that happens in the first place. The hypocrisy of some people...

We are the hypocrites?

The OP says they "won't stand" for this Early Access practice, yet they still shell out their money "to buy it for a friend", and we're the hypocrites?

And how are we the hypocrites when we're just pointing out that the OP isn't missing much in the Early Access, and that he's a few years too late for this outrage?

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No reason to treat them as some sort of ultimate mandatory reward and becoming crazy about it.

What "ultimate reward"? Look at what the Epic Edition has compared to the Heroic Edition:



The heroic edition costs US$69,99 and the epic edition costs US$89,99. That is a US$20,00 difference. One of the exclusive bonuses of the Epic Edition is 30 days game time, which are priced at US$14,99. So if we deduct the game time price from the price difference, we get: US$ 20,00 - US$ 14,99 = US$ 5,01.

So, not counting the 30-day game time bonus, everything else in that list, together, is priced at basically only US$5,01.

So let's count. We got:
• Beta access
• 3-day early access
• Hopeflutter pet
• Doomfeathers pet
• Voidstrider rainment transmog set
• Voidwing dragonhawk mount
• voidlight surger mount
• Light-infused rotunda decoration
• Void-corrupted rotunda decoration
• Light-infused fountain decoration
• Void-corrupted fountain decoration
• Paintings of Xal'atath, Turalyon, Alleria, and Arator decorations

All of that, all of that, for merely five meager dollars. 12 items. If you divide 5 dollars by twelve, you basically have Early Access itself costing only US$0,42 or FORTY-TWO CENTS!

Tell me again how Early Access is this "grand ultimate prize" again?

[Zodiark]

You don't have anything to distract you during those three days? No single-player games either? Hell, it doesn't even have to be other games. How about watching a series, or engaging in other hobbies, etc?

Not to mention, your friends in EA are likely not going to be having as much fun as you think they will. After all, back to your club analogy: what fun is there to do in said club when the place is still mostly empty, the bar hasn't opened, the dance floor is closed, and the DJ hasn't even arrived yet, so all you got are a small sample of songs played on repeat?

Well like I said. At this point in time WOW is my go-to hobby. Sure I could do something else in those three days. Work, spend time with family, etc. I likely WILL do those things also mind you. However, those bits of time when I do want to sit down at the PC with a cup of coffee and mess with WoW for a bit are important to me. Just a bit of relaxation and enjoyment and down-time to get my thoughts straight or just zone out for a while before my day, or after a long one. I more or less have been buying special editions of WoW since when, deluxe, etc. I was mainly interested in the Mounts and Transmog outfits. Sure these things will likely be on the cash shore later BUT I will pay for them then and NOT get any benefit for EA. So to ME the EA was a bonus.

However to go back to the club thing. Yes for the most part your right, when it's still early and the club is still filling up and the DJ isn't quite set up yet the experience is lackluster compared to the middle of the night when things are in full swing. However I have often enjoyed those moments of calm to relax a bit in the atmosphere before the music becomes blaring or you can't walk a foot without bumping into someone. Sometimes I would go in order a drink, BS with the bartenders, and maybe order a bar pie or something to snack on and pad my stomach a bit before I knock down more drinks. Sometimes those moments are fun. My good friend whom often joins me to dine at some of the local establishments often beats me to the place just to sit and settle-in before I get there.

Listen it's just different perspectives. WoW is my only real game I pay for these days. Once every year and a half to two years if I spend a few bucks more on an expansion and such with may or may not grant me EA then I don't have a problem with that.

[Calfredd]

I'm definitely not buying EA so idk what you're talking about.



The fact that there's even people that see no issue is a massive problem.

It's one thing to not do anything about it even if you aren't partaking of the problem. But seeing no issue with it? That's worse than anything else, by far.

Yes the OP did gift an the EA to his friend which makes the problem bigger. But him coming here and complaining about it, is at least doing something. Is it hypocritical? Yes, but he's at least doing something. Now if he keeps doing these things that'd be worse of course. But you coming in here and telling him there's no actual issue and telling him off, makes you much, MUCH worse than him.

If you aren't going to read the thread before going on a rant, then probably don't participate in that thread and come off as a fool.

[Ielenia]

The fact that there's even people that see no issue is a massive problem.

We don't see any issue because there is none.

And those people who claim there is any refuse to tell us what the issue is, instead only repeating the assertion when they're asked what the issue is. Like your post. You asserted there are issues, but failed to present forth even a single one for discussion.

Yes the OP did gift an the EA to his friend which makes the problem bigger. But him coming here and complaining about it, is at least doing something. Is it hypocritical? Yes, but he's at least doing something.

No, they're not. By virtue of buying the Epic edition "for their friend" it completely undermines their alleged stance and kills their credibility.

[Zodiark]

What "ultimate reward"? Look at what the Epic Edition has compared to the Heroic Edition:



The heroic edition costs US$69,99 and the epic edition costs US$89,99. That is a US$20,00 difference. One of the exclusive bonuses of the Epic Edition is 30 days game time, which are priced at US$14,99. So if we deduct the game time price from the price difference, we get: US$ 20,00 - US$ 14,99 = US$ 5,01.

So, not counting the 30-day game time bonus, everything else in that list, together, is priced at basically only US$5,01.

So let's count. We got:
• Beta access
• 3-day early access
• Hopeflutter pet
• Doomfeathers pet
• Voidstrider rainment transmog set
• Voidwing dragonhawk mount
• voidlight surger mount
• Light-infused rotunda decoration
• Void-corrupted rotunda decoration
• Light-infused fountain decoration
• Void-corrupted fountain decoration
• Paintings of Xal'atath, Turalyon, Alleria, and Arator decorations

All of that, all of that, for merely five meager dollars. 12 items. If you divide 5 dollars by twelve, you basically have Early Access itself costing only US$0,42 or FORTY-TWO CENTS!
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I fell like this more or less supports my point. The EA which came along with the epic edition price was more or less negligible. Compared to what you get. It's one of those situations though where those that buy it and spend that extra money are getting more value albeit at a slightly higher base cost. However when you look at the grand scheme of things it's not really that big of a deal.

I feel that this umbrage is fueled by a few things going on. Either some people genuinely don't have the initial up-front cost to pay for those added bonuses and cause a stink, OR people who are just bored with nothing better to do than get people riled up with rage-bait posts. I feel like most reasonable thinking people who laid everything out such as you have would quickly come to the conclusion there isn't anything to make a fuss about.

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If you aren't going to read the thread before going on a rant, then probably don't participate in that thread and come off as a fool.

Yeah, well said. With regards to Xilurm's post. I read his comments too and rolled my eyes, like c'mon man what are we talking about here? Either this person is just blissfully obtuse or just trolling. If anyone has any questions or comments or concerns I would direct them to @Ielenia's post above. Basically before breaking things down to division your paying $5.00 extra and getting a bunch of goodies which include EA.

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No, they're not. By virtue of buying the Epic edition "for their friend" it completely undermines their alleged stance and kills their credibility.

That's like a meme. Anytime someone does anything for "a friend". It's usually a very thinly-veiled bit of subterfuge for them basically asking for themselves.

[Ielenia]

That's like a meme. Anytime someone does anything for "a friend". It's usually a very thinly-veiled bit of subterfuge for them basically asking for themselves.

Pretty much how I feel: the kind of friend you meet daily... when you stand in front of a mirror.

[Kyanion]

This isn't conjecture. I move overpriced stuff every single expansion launch. How are you just completely unaware of basic expansion or patch trends or ordinary player behavior? Most people using the AH will buy things at whatever dumb price they see things listed at. At content drops, this means people will buy bags for thousands of gold even though they'll be a couple hundred by the end of the week. It means they buy decor for 25,000-50,000g because they just want any new thing immediately even though it'll be half that the next day and a tenth of that a week or two later.

The first 12-24 hours of an expansion allow you to just sit at the AH and make millions with basic crafting, or fly around and make millions with basic gathering.

The limiting factor isn't if things sell or not at wildly overpriced listings. They sell. It's how much you can sell before competive overproduction of supply tanks the price down to not being worth pursuing. Which is why 3-4 days of ensured Demand > Supply and 3-4 days of delayed price cliff it's a stupidly powerful advantage.

Hi, your anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. Shocker. That does not show how many of these overpriced in EA items actually sell. I get it, you enjoy ripping people off at inflated prices and pocketing a small amount of gold.

But what you've done is post 2 sets of pictures of one random item at inflated prices in EA and then another of an item being more expensive after EA. In neither one of these pictures does it show much useful information that you can use to support these wild claims. You made a few million in EA, wonderful. I made 10x that days after EA because I'm not super overcharging people for items and know that many people WON'T buy super expensive items because they are not morons.

FYI: If you spend tons of gold in EA buying overpriced mats to make things and then turn around and sell an item at an overinflated price in EA the profit margin of said sale isn't very good because you paid so much for mats. And if you're actually doing gathering professions then I can't laugh any harder at how slow your gold making must be. But I'm done talking with an AH small fry over gold making because you've demonstrated enough that you're not very good at it.

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this is really noteworthy, we HAD ea for tww, and it was so inconsequential it was not mentioned since tww released, until now
but yeah, its the end of the world (of warcraft) again! we are dooooooooooomed!

It is why I love this thread because the cat is out of the bag and it is never going back in. EA will be a thing for the rest of WoW. Obviously it wasn't a big enough of a deal the first time around so why should people care as much now. Either play it or don't. EA or don't.

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i doubt there is anyone buying the pack just for early access...

I mean that is the single thing I personally care about. I don't care about anything else it provides including the game time (I am paid up for years because of tokens). I'm an outlier though. I don't care about mounts/pets/decor/xmogs/etc. Just getting into the game when the expansion launches and playing it is what I'm about.

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I feel like most reasonable thinking people who laid everything out such as you have would quickly come to the conclusion there isn't anything to make a fuss about.

Well yeah, but here we are in a thread started by a hypocrite who bought the EA for a "friend" and then complained about it.

[Hitei]

FYI: If you spend tons of gold in EA buying overpriced mats to make things and then turn around and sell an item at an overinflated price in EA the profit margin of said sale isn't very good because you paid so much for mats. .

No, the profit margin averages the exact same, because the margin is a percentage and paying 100 times the cost and 100 times the profit you are making the same margin. This is the second time now you've replied with "well um, you are paying more to make more so you're making less!" That's not how numbers work.

I made 10x that days after EA because I'm not super overcharging people

wOaH. And if you had used EA you would have made significantly more than 10x that.

But I'm done talking with an AH small fry over gold making because you've demonstrated enough that you're not very good at it.

Yeah, I'm not surprised. Your constant attempts at deflection and ad hominem while trying very desperately to move the goal posts from "EA provides an advantage" to "I make the best money!" have made it pretty obvious you don't have much of an argument.

You can be the fastest person in the world and a 10 seconds head start in a race is still going to be an advantage. But I get it, you struggle logic.

[Relapses]

We don't see any issue because there is none.

And those people who claim there is any refuse to tell us what the issue is, instead only repeating the assertion when they're asked what the issue is. Like your post. You asserted there are issues, but failed to present forth even a single one for discussion.


No, they're not. By virtue of buying the Epic edition "for their friend" it completely undermines their alleged stance and kills their credibility.

Pretending there are no issues with EA whatsoever is a bad look, too. Like, sure, I get that intrinsic value is wholly subjective so you can just as easily not buy it, but there is significant social pressure in a game like WoW to coerce people who may not normally purchase the most expensive expansion option into buying what is effectively a bad deal (ie, one of the biggest draws for the most expensive edition is the free beta -- if you buy EA on the day of release, you fully miss out on this). I'm not targeting you specifically because your arguments are sound, but we should, collectively, be giving the message to Blizzard that bad deals are a thing they should avoid. I doubt it'll stop them from doing it, but feedback matters and when you diminish the impact so much that you're arguing it isn't an important thing to discuss, you're effectively enabling Blizzard to present to the community more bad deals in the future.

[Lolites]

I'm definitely not buying EA so idk what you're talking about.

you are buying the expansion, and gametime, hence supporting the company same as people who buy the most expensive edition...
you think theyll go "oh these people did not buy the most expensive edition so we must change it, even though they do pay and play"?

The fact that there's even people that see no issue is a massive problem.

no its not
fact you cant comprehend that bcs you personaly dont like something doesnt mean its actualy an issue is the only problem here

Is it hypocritical? Yes, but he's at least doing something.

oh yes, whining on random forum and then going and still supporting the company same as people who dont have any issue is doing sooooooo much...
and no, people telling him there is no issue, when there LITERALY ISNT ANY ISSUE are not worse, they are, unlike him, standing behind what they say...

like honesty, 8 pages of whining and still not one good argument against early access, so what exactly is the issue?
people mentioned goldmaking, which first of all is nonsense, secondly making gold in wow is easy as hell...
they mentioned people not starting at the same time, but people dont start at the same time anyway, not to mention first half of wow life we did not even have global start (and vanila was in us months before europe)...
another point was gearing, but gearing is locked anyway...
so honestly, so much whining, and still not one argument against early access that wouldnt fall on its face at first examination...

[Xilurm]

We don't see any issue because there is none.

And those people who claim there is any refuse to tell us what the issue is, instead only repeating the assertion when they're asked what the issue is. Like your post. You asserted there are issues, but failed to present forth even a single one for discussion.


No, they're not. By virtue of buying the Epic edition "for their friend" it completely undermines their alleged stance and kills their credibility.

The issue is that by paying the company more, you get access to the game faster. But as it is with gambling, lootboxes, shitty season passes, most cosmetic stores, people can't stop themselves.

It's manipulation, and Blizzard (and every other corpo of course) knows that very well.

And before you tell me that it's a choice for people to buy that stuff... Just don't... Companies literally hire people to comb through customer psyche just so they can figure out how to get more money from them.

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you are buying the expansion, and gametime, hence supporting the company same as people who buy the most expensive edition...
you think theyll go "oh these people did not buy the most expensive edition so we must change it, even though they do pay and play"?

Well actually I'm gonna buy Midnight when they do the first sale. There isn't much point for me to get it at full price when I'm not gonna enjoy the expansion fully.

[Twdft]

Ok so pay to win is the wrong term. I would just like it if we were all starting at the same time.

It is pay to win, but here's the thing: to actually make use of it and make a mountain range of gold in the first week you actually have to nolife the game from the millisecond early access starts. There are fewer players doing that than getting hall of fame. And no these players don't pick a single herb themselves.

"Normal" players interested in gold making still have an advantage by setting things in motion 3 days earlier than their competitors. It's just not even a mountain, more like a hill of gold.

Personally I do the same thing as last time, I will buy the base version of the game after early access ran its course. Withholding my money until the last moment is all I can do to show Blizzard what I think about early access.

[Kyanion]

Well actually I'm gonna buy Midnight when they do the first sale. There isn't much point for me to get it at full price when I'm not gonna enjoy the expansion fully.

And yet they still make money off of you. Way to fight the good fight.

[Ielenia]

The issue is that by paying the company more, you get access to the game faster.

Wow, you're paying the company FORTY-TWO CENTS more for Early Access, woooo so bad, so horrible, the world's coming to an end...

And I still fail to see how "paying the company 0,42 cents more" somehow classifies Early Access as "pay to win", mind you.

But as it is with gambling, lootboxes, shitty season passes, most cosmetic stores, people can't stop themselves.

Which have absolutely nothing to do with a mere 3-day Early Access....

And before you tell me that it's a choice for people to buy that stuff... Just don't... Companies literally hire people to comb through customer psyche just so they can figure out how to get more money from them.

I'll repeat: I still am waiting for any reason why Early Access is somehow "pay to win" that would stand up to scrutiny, considering that you can't even do heroic dungeons or world events during those three days.

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Pretending there are no issues with EA whatsoever is a bad look, too.

I'm just saying there aren't any issues that are worth acting like it's the coming of the antichrist, and that claims that Early Access are somehow "pay-to-win" are ludicrous at the best possible interpretations.

but there is significant social pressure in a game like WoW to coerce people who may not normally purchase the most expensive expansion option into buying what is effectively a bad deal (ie, one of the biggest draws for the most expensive edition is the free beta -- if you buy EA on the day of release, you fully miss out on this).

How is it a bad deal, though? If you're choosing to preorder Midnight's Epic edition after the beta testing period ended, that tells me that you didn't really care to be in the beta-testing at all, or else I imagined you'd have preordered while the beta testing was still going. And on top of that, you'd only have lost less than half a dollar of value from your total purchase. By your own choice, I'll point out.

[Xilurm]

And yet they still make money off of you. Way to fight the good fight.

Where did I say in any of my posts that we shouldn't be giving money to Blizzard in general? Or that we shouldn't be playing the game at all. This is about early access, buying the game on sale is definitely not supporting early access.

So what are you even talking about?

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Wow, you're paying the company FORTY-TWO CENTS more for Early Access, woooo so bad, so horrible, the world's coming to an end...

And I still fail to see how "paying the company 0,42 cents more" somehow classifies Early Access as "pay to win", mind you.


Which have absolutely nothing to do with a mere 3-day Early Access....

You know what? The first quote in your sig is basically what I'd expect you to say after what you just fucking wrote. "Forty-two cents"? Really? Can you actually be serious instead of being a corporate apologist? Like what the fuck is wrong with you?

And yes it does have everything to do with the 3-day EA because it's the same manipulation tactic for fucks sake.

Are you trolling or are you actually just completely devoid of empathy?

I'll repeat: I still am waiting for any reason why Early Access is somehow "pay to win" that would stand up to scrutiny, considering that you can't even do heroic dungeons or world events during those three days.

Why are you telling me this for? I never said it was pay to win. My issues with it are entirely different and I already mentioned what the problem was in my previous post.

[Relapses]

I'm just saying there aren't any issues that are worth acting like it's the coming of the antichrist, and that claims that Early Access are somehow "pay-to-win" are ludicrous at the best possible interpretations.

I agree, and I've said as much. I'm not critiquing you in particular as much as I am the idea that EA is benevolent. It isn't, and we shouldn't purport it to be as such.

How is it a bad deal, though? If you're choosing to preorder Midnight's Epic edition after the beta testing period ended, that tells me that you didn't really care to be in the beta-testing at all, or else I imagined you'd have preordered while the beta testing was still going. And on top of that, you'd only have lost less than half a dollar of value from your total purchase. By your own choice, I'll point out.

That value is only calculated if you assume anybody who buys Epic would have purchased the Heroic edition anyway. And, more than anything, I'm talking about the population of people left behind once EA opens. These players won't realize what they're missing out on until they feel the indirect social pressure from of their friends/favorite content creators enjoying the new expansion while they're spending their entire time on the newly-abandoned-yet-paradoxically-still-relevant prior expansion wondering what, if anything, they can do to bide time for the next expansion's official launch. Perhaps this isn't a huge demographic of players, but I would bet dollars to donuts that Blizzard saw an enormous upsurge in Epic edition purchases that coincided with the EA window, something which I'm sure they're betting on happening again.

And yeah, I guess you could frame it as a victimless crime -- after all, we do live in a society -- I just think that this sort of thing should be baked into the base subscription, if anything, and they should just move the launch window if that's when the game is actually ready. Signalling that these kinds.of practices are able to be condoned just gives Blizzard carte blanche to move the needle even further in the direction of anti-consumer practices.

[Lolites]

The issue is that by paying the company more, you get access to the game faster.

well, not really since content isnt really there...
also, VERY limited access, 3 days earlier, on expansion that we will be playing for next two years, for a patch that we will be playing for months... makes no difference

It's manipulation, and Blizzard (and every other corpo of course) knows that very well.
And before you tell me that it's a choice for people to buy that stuff... Just don't... Companies literally hire people to comb through customer psyche just so they can figure out how to get more money from them.

sure, companies try to manipulate you to buy their product ...but its still 100% on you if you let them manipulate you or not...
"people cant stop themself" well some people cant help themself smoke, drink, overeating, hell people can get addicted to tanning, should we just whine about EVERYTHING? should we outlaw everything?
some people cant stop themself drinking and driving, do we say those poor people were manipulated by car companies and by alcohol producers, or we assign blame on them for not being able to control themself?

Well actually I'm gonna buy Midnight when they do the first sale.

so yes, like i said, you are buying the expansion...