Haranir popularity

[Korru]

Haranir are the night elf version of Kul'Tiran (do people still play these?)

[Mace]

Haranir are the night elf version of Kul'Tiran (do people still play these?)

yes indeed.

I could say it's more like Haranir are to night elves what worgen are to humans, and Kul'tiran are to humans what Nightborne are to night elves. Not exactly accurate, tbf Kul'tiran and humans are more like Nightborne and night elves, while Haranir are to night elves what Zandalari trolls are to Darkspear trolls [as in the predecessor group]

I guess you could also say Nightborne are to night elves what night elves are to Haranir - but tbh, night elves are the main race, while Nightborne and Haranir are subraces. Nightborne are based on a portion of night elves current existence (they are pre-sundering night elf culture and civilization, similar to the Shen'dralar Highborne ) so very much relatable to the night elves and their current existence, while Haranir are many generations before, like the ancestors the night elves came from.

Another way to look at it would be Night elves are to Haranir what Blood elves are to night elves - because blood elves are many generations on of their night elven ancestors, and night elves are many generations on of their Haranir ancestors -whiles night elves aren't exactly within living memory of any living blood elf, it would be within the living memory of the deceased parent or grandparent - same can't be said for night elves and Haranir as they would be many many generations past.. in this respect night elves are to Haranir what humans are to vrykul - humans completely forgotten their vrykul ancestry because it was so long ago and what they became so changed and far removed from the Vrykul world.

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Either way it's fine to have this. We have many variations of existing races. I won't complain if Vrykul had a predecessor but then from the WotLK in-game stuff this is clearly the case as we are shown Vrykul as titan constructs, and then their next flesh stage - this is unlike the mystery of Haranir and troll where in-game Haranir lore pretty much shows Haranir coming first then divulging to trolls and elves, but the collector's edition book says something else. In game also it was never definitely shown and proven night elves came directly from trolls - there is a fragment of a manuscript in stranglethorn vale and nothing more to directly link them unlike Vrykul who have in-game halls of dormant stone vrykul.

Which is why blizzard can easily insert the Haranir as troll ancestors or the middle stage between trolls and night elves - either way works. Either way proves night elves correct about themselves, because they say they don't come from trolls - and the don't, they come from Haranir - whether Haranir come from trolls or trolls come from Haranir also doesn't change this.

The Azotha were supposed to be the middle ground between Vrykul and Human - but I think the Kul'tiran model is what blizzard finalised - and this is the "middle" ground - as they still have some Vrykul blood in them explaining their larger size. They could still give an additional sub-race though So Vrykul becomes new sub-race which in turn becomes Kul'tiran model of human and normal human model.

Anyway, genetically speaking and lore wise it is better for trolls to come from Haranir - it makes no sense to go from trolls to gain quills and fur and then lose them again to become night elves, it also doesn't make as much sense to evolve from 3 digits to 5 as it does from 5 or 4 to 3. Biologically speaking it makes more sense for trolls to come from Haranir. And all this means is that the dark troll mystery box needs explaining.

Several ways you can do this. Reveal that actually dark trolls were the first trolls, and they became Zandalari not the other way round or maybe it's not even that clear, there are two kinds, and knowledge of this was lost, there was a tribe of dark trolls, Zandalari that were more night based 0 and they did go in the direction of the well of eternity, but they aren't what became night elves - their similarity to Haranir was easy to make this confusion -- as the descendants of the Haranir as they became their own peoples lost awareness of over hte many millennia of their actual original form. For those that became night elves they get transformed by the Well/Elune

The other explanation is the naming confusion - and that Zandalari have in arrogance, classified the Haranir as dark trolls which is why they say elves come from trolls - and to make matters worse, troll name is a local nick name they called the Haranir or maybe a Loa called a tribe of Haranir that.

Things like this really do happen in the history of people - you rely on images and other things to make sure that what you call one thing, another calls something else, in some cases they are the same thing, in other cases they are something different, but similar enough you call it the same thing -who's to decide who's name is correct or what the right order is?
To the Zandalari - Haranir were dark trolls. but in actual fact they weren't, they were Haranir, and Zandalari came from that group - and knowledge of this got lost. How? war and time? knowledge gets destroyed, most of the people who know are wiped out, and the surviving children that grow up unaware of the connection, rebuild their lives in the troll identity and the Haranir origin is lost - 1000s of years later, they do become aware of nocturnal Haranir, but there is no interaction, they look enough like trolls, and they fit the legends of the dark trolls (or maybe they become known as the dark trolls 0 assumed to be a group of trolls that left and became this) and are labelled such by the Zandalari even though they are not.

[NekoOwlAzure]

you do realize, the pandaren in that cinematic is kicking boths ass, and is on the right side of morality, while the other two bond over a mug of bear

Now if only they made more cinematics like that but with Night Elves, after all these years.

[Nymrohd]

Male Haranir are easily the hottest guys in the game

[Zardas]

Male Haranir are easily the hottest guys in the game

Dark iron dwarves are right there.

[Ramz]

you do realize, the pandaren in that cinematic is kicking boths ass, and is on the right side of morality, while the other two bond over a mug of bear

But the point of the Meme is to show that both of them were fighting for years, and when they see this oddity, they join forces and have a ceasefire. And it's silly that I have to explain You the memes.

[rogueMatthias]

My issue with Haranir is that they have TOO much customization.

I see quite a lot about but they always just look like thicc night elves.

I feel they should have given other races more body types rather than create a new race that has enough customization that it doesn’t really have any class identity of its own.

[Mace]

My issue with Haranir is that they have TOO much customization.

I see quite a lot about but they always just look like thicc night elves.

I feel they should have given other races more body types rather than create a new race that has enough customization that it doesn’t really have any class identity of its own.

A lot of customisation is good, but too much at the start feels overwhelming.

Once you get to really like a character or played a long time, then you really start wanting to change things up.

Tbf, they should have a basic and advanced option, you're defaulted to basic, and it has much fewer options, for those who want more, you just unlock advanced and you can fiddle with more.

i know how you feel, it took me a while before I could design a Haranir i liked, but the same was for Dracthyr, at first the options seemed too much and i wouldn't be able to get the combos I felt i liked without being overwhelmed, but i spent hours tweaking and fiddling and created multiple versions i liked.

what i''d like them to do is have an option format storer - so you can actually store customisations you like and use them later.

[Hellfury]

My issue with Haranir is that they have TOO much customization.

I see quite a lot about but they always just look like thicc night elves.

I feel they should have given other races more body types rather than create a new race that has enough customization that it doesn’t really have any class identity of its own.

Its the same thing with Alied races, instead of other brown orcs or black and brown dwards they could had just gave more options to the "base" classes. I like what they did to the Draenei when they gave them the Eredar black/red skin instead of making yet another race they are just Eredar Draenei and can RP as such.

They could pimpified other races instead of creating a race, but that doing that dont create value for them via race changes service

[Seezer]

Haranir look like they dont even fit in their own zone lol

They should have added something like Botani instead of this night elf troll porcupine hybrid

Yeah. Of all the possibilities of races, they opted for something that looks like it came out of the Ze/Zir factory.

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Male Haranir are easily the hottest guys in the game

Did you just assume their gender?

[Mace]

Its the same thing with Alied races, instead of other brown orcs or black and brown dwards they could had just gave more options to the "base" classes. I like what they did to the Draenei when they gave them the Eredar black/red skin instead of making yet another race they are just Eredar Draenei and can RP as such.

They could pimpified other races instead of creating a race, but that doing that dont create value for them via race changes service

That will mean even MORE customisations if they did that..

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I made my haranir look as close as possible to a dark troll, to play on my fantasy of playing dark trolls.

Also since it is looking likely that haranir are an evolutionary branch of the original dark trolls that also eventually evolved into night elves.

[Al Gorefiend]

My issue with Haranir is that they have TOO much customization.

I see quite a lot about but they always just look like thicc night elves.

I feel they should have given other races more body types rather than create a new race that has enough customization that it doesn’t really have any class identity of its own.

They look like cool night elves to me. These are horde night elves to me, like elves that got smacked with bits and pieces of troll culture.

I am.. actually warming up to them. I have the living longbow from wod dungeon gold, it looks like it was made for a Haranir hunter.

I guess it is cool having that night elf niche in the Horde.. I wonder if they will give us human body type 1 in TLT now that we have dwarf & NE. (Since evokers use human body type 2 in visage form)

[Oneirophobia]

I knew who made this thread just by the title, although there was like a ~15% chance it was Al Gorefiend (but I was also certain I'd see him in here too!).

Anyhoo, my druid has taken the whole shapeshifting thing really seriously and has gone from tauren (BC) --> night elf (WoD) --> highmountain (Legion) --> Zandalari (BFA) --> haranir (now). I would have probably stuck to Zandalari if they were A) just a wee bit closer to their Pandaria vibe, something about their heads is odd) B) didn't have so many horrific clipping issues with so many of the mounts I like (a product of them scaling up their size haphazardly really late in beta and somehow not scaling things like mounts to match their new size). Male Zandalari running animations are not the greatest either, again due to their big size but having to move at the same speed as a gnome. Haranir don't have any of those problems.

I really wish they had their own casting animations though. Zandalari had better ones, the "sort-n'-cast" default for male nelves is shared with male haranir. :\ Story wise, I'm not sure how I missed it but the haranir don't seem to really ... react much to the Horde being the culprits behind burning down Teldrassil... upon joining them. Kinda makes it seem Blizz intended to do haranir --> Alliance and perhaps amani --> Horde but either ran out of time to do anything to make amani models, racials, etc. or they were too similar to existing trolls and Blizz feared an unpopular reception (again I suggest bipedal nerubian exiles as a supplemental "drow" race but people hate skinny races).

[Alanar]

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I guess it is cool having that night elf niche in the Horde.. I wonder if they will give us human body type 1 in TLT now that we have dwarf & NE. (Since evokers use human body type 2 in visage form)

Thats a big " I guess ye". To you maybe, but imo nightborne were enough of a twist, but also enough to know their origin. While having that model of the night elves. I dont think it adds much, when you copy the same over to the other. Its the third ussage of the night elf model already. Also horde dwarves were hopefully their lesson to not do more of that. So I hope you are wrong.

[Al Gorefiend]

Thats a big " I guess ye". To you maybe, but imo nightborne were enough of a twist, but also enough to know their origin. While having that model of the night elves. I dont think it adds much, when you copy the same over to the other. Its the third ussage of the night elf model already. Also horde dwarves were hopefully their lesson to not do more of that. So I hope you are wrong.

Well that can be explained by the fact I forget Nightborne exist already

[Alanar]

Well that can be explained by the fact I forget Nightborne exist already

It is that Haranir are new, otherwise I would completely forget about them. I think theit whole thing is forgettable tbf, but to each and their own.

But damn, you broke fast. I understand tho, looking at darkspear trolls.