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    Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    Just saw some of the new changes that blizz made to the lock trees and I'm certain if these changes stay on WOTLK release that my lock will rock this spec...

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000

    I'm sure most locks will still go destro/sac...but the way the trees are built it doesnt seem like they are getting anything thats as good as the last 3 tiers on the aff tree. The only descent spec I see destro/sac locks going with is...

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000

    Seems to me that destro/sac locks will like havin corruption as instant to throw up there with agony.

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    Raiding as affliction? lol

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    What kind of teletubie world are you in? No nightfall, full talented fel concentration, improved imp!!!, improved healthstone, no malediction (its still the only one on its category to last 5min and reduce resistances).

    That's some hot epic failing you're going for there.

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    Here are my 3 for warlocks(and most people have seen them as very good):

    Affli: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000 I just made this one and it might not be the best but it has most of the raid things you will have.

    Demo: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...21500135231351 This one is what i am going to be. It has all of the raid utility you need and you can switch from fire to shadow because of molten core.

    Destro: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000 THis is what i will use if i cant use demo in wrath. For one Sac is going to be extinct in wrath(at least i hope) because you have to get Unholy Power for one, and also it now does a 10% boost to shadow/fire spells instead of 15%. And i am dearly happy this is dead, i dont have to go that spec anymore.

    Any criticism is nice for these cuz im sure i forgot something somewhere >_<

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    Yea...I figured some n00bs would read this post and laugh at the idea of raiding as aff. Look at the last 3 tiers of the aff tree and tell me that those abilities are not OP. Also I do have nightfall nub...pay attention. Also look at this...a destro/sac lock (not including malediction) gets a 15% buff to shadow dmg when they sac their succ. The new aff tree gives a shadow dmg buff by 20%. Now look at Death's Embrace; when a raid boss is at 20% or lower ur shadowbolt crit is increased by 15%. That only will increase the chance imp sb procs which will give more shadow dmg on that target. Erradication is also nice when spammin sb after DoT rotation.
    Everlasting Affliction will always guarantee the Shadow Embrace (+ 10% to shadow dmg) buff will be applied to the raid boss. And again aff locks get another increase to dmg done on the target by 20% for 12 secs with haunt. Imp life tap isnt needed when dark pact now gives you 200% of the mana taken from your pet instead of 100%. Let's remeber something about raiding kids. Trash doesnt mean shit. If your guild is full time raiding and your into BT, Hyjail, or even sunwell then the group is leet enough to know that dpm/dps on boss fights is what counts. And anyone who has half a brain will see that for raid bosses the aff tree offers more dps than destro/sac...period.

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    Oh yeah, it wasn't nightfall you skipped, it was grim reach. Shows how much of an UTTER NOOOB you are. What curse are you going to use noob (none are talented)? What about the max range bosses noob? Why do you think dark pact is going to sustain you if you don't have improved fel guard noob (imp can't sustain you on long battles)? You don't seem to comprehend the new shadow embrace mechanics noob, it procs on cast!

    ...and that's on your failure at affliction, your destro spec is even below that.

    Let me remind you that with the no buff stacking policy, affliction locks in wotlk will be 10%(or more) behind TBC in damage multipliers

  7. #7

    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    ascote...lrn2rd...go back and look at how the mechanics work on thos abilities agian then post something intelligent.

  8. #8

    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    Learn to read yourself, people are complaining that shadow embrace is a bitch to proc.

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    If you raided up to Sunwell you should have understood by now that aff locks will be more and more outperformed by destro locks the better gear you both get simply because they don't scale as well with haste and crit. I am expecting Blizzard to remedy this situation for aff locks and shadowpriests soon, though, so possibly they will be viable raiders if that happens.

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockeroad
    Here are my 3 for warlocks(and most people have seen them as very good):

    Affli: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000 I just made this one and it might not be the best but it has most of the raid things you will have.

    Demo: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...21500135231351 This one is what i am going to be. It has all of the raid utility you need and you can switch from fire to shadow because of molten core.

    Destro: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000 THis is what i will use if i cant use demo in wrath. For one Sac is going to be extinct in wrath(at least i hope) because you have to get Unholy Power for one, and also it now does a 10% boost to shadow/fire spells instead of 15%. And i am dearly happy this is dead, i dont have to go that spec anymore.

    Any criticism is nice for these cuz im sure i forgot something somewhere >_<
    Since afflic is going to be non-existant in WotLK raiding except for the one lucky one whose there for Malediction i'm not going to respond to that. for Demo i would drop the instant cast affliction as it will probably lower your DPS because of the GCD. I'd go with with something like this

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00503135231350

    What I Plan to do with my lock is go for full blown fire with an empowered Imp:

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000

    The only challenge will be keeping my imp alive during AOE heavy fights, which hopefully there will be some fix for
    Druids: 50g away from being better at your job than you are.

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    affli --> http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=IdxrbzrAoVtckAoZE0oVM
    all utility, maximum dmg output.. i missed the hit//mana red talent (only 1 point in each).... you have maled if no boomkin/no unholy dk is there.. you get no frailty (you can switch out maled for that if your raid need it..)..

    demo --> http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=I0xZsxczsgoq0sghAZE0Mz
    1 point in mana feed should avoid your imp going oom.. if that proves not worthwhile you can put the pointo into whatever you want.. this is a imp demo build.. i prefer this from the looks rather then felguard demo spec.. number crunching will tell :X

    destro --> http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=IZfbczsLZE0MVr0tVoAccx
    pet powered up via various talent... molten core while being nice and all seems not really worth investing point into, since you'd be forced to take isnta corruption too (normal corruption with 2 sec cast is dps waste :X)..
    i took fire and brimstone too, since with backdraft you'll be conflagrating A LOT
    it should work like this --> immo (15 sec dot)--> incinerate (2.3 sec roughly.. a bit less if you have other haste gear already) --> incinerate (2.3 sec roughly) --> incinerate (2.3 sec roughly) --> incinerate (2.3 sec roughly) --> incinerate (2.3 sec roughly.. getting the fifth inci may be a bit tricky if you "lag" usually :P) --> confl and then all again :X
    this, with your imp doing is sly work, should do :X
    hope this cycle is not TOO fail, as i haven't ever used fire destro lock in tbc :X

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    Blizzard is kind of screaming for affliction locks to use felhunters.

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    Quote Originally Posted by ascote
    Blizzard is kind of screaming for affliction locks to use felhunters.
    blizzard can stuff their socks :X
    as an afflilock having to renew dot and all, having to heal your pet via life funnel is stupid.. i'd rather go with imp staying passive in phase shift :P
    not to mention that felhunter's buff is useless <_>

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    You don't heal your pet, chain heals and circle of healing will do it for you. Remember, it will be in melee range where those healings are spammed. They also reduced aoe damage pets receive by 80%, it should survive well.

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    I still think that this spec is going to be extremely viable for PvE raiding.

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000

    People seem to forget that locks are meant to be a utility class. You wanna spam something go roll a mage.

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    And I think you should inform yourself a bit better, especially about that "utility class" part and the latest raid stacking changes.

    Although you're right, that build is not bad for PvE if affliction scaling issues are fixed (i'd prefer Improved Fel Hunter, Improved CoA, Grim Reach and would drop Malediction and Cataclysm, but meh).

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    The extra utility from improved healthstones and improved imp is negligible, get more crit, frailty or something else. One thing is to be full support, the other is to be a dps liability. Those talents are for destro or demo locks which use them to reach higher tiers in demo.

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    agreed

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)

    What he said.

    EDIT:
    Mine:
    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000

    dropping Improved Life Tap for a simple reason:
    I hope Improved Fel Hunter + Dark Pact will give me the mana i need (could be wrong about that though).

    dropping Malediction for another simple reason:
    Moonkins or DKs will deal with that debuff (+specced Improved CoA).

    Frailty sucks ass considering there will always be a Warrior and a Druid around (+specced Improved CoA ).

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    Re: Possibly the best raid spec for aff locks in WOTLK (new talent tree)


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