Mistakes in affliction builds/making the best affliction build

**Dewback** · 2008-09-27, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Varithorn1

N3RDRAGE! News: WoW is a PVE game, and WoW pvp takes as much (or as little) skill as PvE. But I like your arguments, trying to win by insulting. If you don't think shadowbolt spam is good dps in beta, maybe rethink living.

Wow..you still believe WoW is truly considered a 'PvE' game. If it wasn't for this games PvP, this game would have lost many subscribers. To bad you suck to much asshole to be any good. Have fun spamming shadowbolts and being CoE bitch for your raids, Nancy.

**Vocah** · 2008-09-27, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by ascote

3) There are two flaws on you choosing Dark Pact over life tap, one is that of the two, only life tap scales now, the other is that fel armor no longer provides mana over time. I choose life tap because its less of a dps reduction than dark pact.

Why do you think DP isn't scaling? Atleast on the PTR I get ~2k mana back with DP and only ~1,7k with 2/2 imp. LT

**Varithorn1** · 2008-09-27, 02:02 AM

Have fun on your season 2 geared battleground rat. How isn't WoW a pve game? Total of 5 battlegrounds, and (I'm not going to count) but probably 40+ dungeons.

**jthnyn13** · 2008-09-27, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Vocah

Why do you think DP isn't scaling? Atleast on the PTR I get ~2k mana back with DP and only ~1,8k with 2/2 imp. LT

It doesn't scale because it used to be 200% (I believe) mana returned to you, but now it's just a flat 1200.

**tremulant** · 2008-09-27, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Dewback

Nobody gives a flying fuck about this games carebear pve and scripted raid fights. I bet you're the type of scrub player and has A and D still bound to turn look, rather than strafe. You might as well roll a mage, its disgusting watching a warlock think hes amazing at dps by just standing still casting one spell.

You're all bad, learn to play scrubs.

...
the original poster made a thread about pve affliction,
he and others posted affliction/demo builds that took 13 points in demo just to get an improved fel armor,
I commented that a aff/demo build of that type is full of fail (am I wrong?)
and that putting 15 points in destro instead for imp shadow bolt and ruin is much better (again, am I wrong?)

now what do you want?

**Dewback** · 2008-09-27, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by jthnyn13

It doesn't scale because it used to be 200% (I believe) mana returned to you, but now it's just a flat 1200.

Yeah because getting free mana back for nothing isn't worth the 1 point investment. God, you scrubs are just as bad as Nancy over there ^...

**Vocah** · 2008-09-27, 02:09 AM

Well, on the PTR it says "drains 700 mana. returning 100% to you" but I still get 2k mana back

**drakath** · 2008-09-27, 02:10 AM

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000

Stronger build.
If you have the crit to keep IBS up i would spec this way, if not, then 3 Molten core, 2 cat could be better.
Also depends how many locks/spriests your raid has.

**Darthphyre** · 2008-09-27, 02:12 AM

when you wade through all the personal comments, the debate is giving some awsome feedback on the pure data behind affliction dps. I might have to warm up my lock from the meat locker now and pull him out of retirement! ^_^

**Dewback** · 2008-09-27, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Darthphyre

when you wade through all the personal comments, the debate is giving some awsome feedback on the pure data behind affliction dps. I might have to warm up my lock from the meat locker now and pull him out of retirement! ^_^

Seriously, no one gives a shit.

**ascote** · 2008-09-27, 02:22 AM

@ drakath: ISB is now a personal buff/debuff wathever (I don't know which mechanics they applied), so shadow priests and other locks means zit to you.

If dark pact is scaling, can someone tell me if its scaling with spirit or with spell damage?

@ jthnyn13: The dps tax on CoE is that it uses a curse slot. You could use CoA or CoD to raise your personal dps instead of applying CoE. The reason you don't apply CoE is because a moonkin or a deathknight can apply a similar buff without using any special debuff slot (that is without any significative dps decrease).

You can read on one of the first patch notes, they said avoidance became baseline for all demons, that's why they're trying to push the imp to dps on destro.

On the issue of drain life over shadow bolt, I bet drain life can do some amazing dps with the right conditions, but all over the affliction tree it says use frigging shadow bolt, so I'll try this game how it was developed before trying to make my own game (if I can that is).

PS: Ignore the blood sucking fly.

**Vocah** · 2008-09-27, 02:34 AM

@ascote
Quote from wowwiki:
The amount of mana transferred receives 96% of your +shadow damage bonus.

I guess this didn't change

**Twistedsight** · 2008-09-27, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Dewback

Seriously, no one gives a shit.

@Dewback
Yet, obviously you do because you bothered to post about it.
You're a troll.
Get out of a theorycrafting / feedback / generally intelligent debate topic.

@op
My theory on using Incinerate over SB is that it has a shorter cast time which does equal a lower coefficient but it's there a filler spell so a shorter cast time is ideal, gets even better with all the haste they are shoving down ouor throats that don't work with afflic, plus with all the DoT's ticking shadow Damage you should be have molten core proc fairly often and using incin or a well timed Immo cast allows us to take advantage of an extra 15% dmg basically just for being an afflic lock. ISB gives you 10% shadow dmg for 12 sec when SB crits at 5/5. granted when it happens it makes your DoTs that much better but we wont have time to be casting SB's on a regular basis and with the longer cast time it makes it not only that much harder to fit in but (in theory, have not had chance to test) provide lower DPS vs immo/incin.

**ascote** · 2008-09-27, 03:02 AM

@Vocah: Wowwiki isn't quite trusty, no offense mean't, but I'd rather get theorycraft info from other sources.

@Twistedsight: Problem is, shadowbolt starts out with a +10% bonus to damage due to shadow mastery, and has a Bane at the root of destro tree, I really don't see enough numbers in favour of incinerate to make it worth it. The rotation isn't going to be much different than a regular UA rotation, lots of shadowbolt time there.

**Vocah** · 2008-09-27, 03:09 AM

@ ascote
ok, then .... without fel armor I gained ~1,9k mana back trough DP and with fel amor ~2k --> scales with spell power

@ sb vs incinerate
where has incinerate a shorter casttime? bane-sb =2,5 sek same as untalented incinerate (who has 30 pts in destro as affli lock?)
there's also the 12% shadow dmg increase when the target is <=35% --> sb wins

**Varithorn1** · 2008-09-27, 03:12 AM

Base Castimes: Shadowbolt-3 seconds. Incinerate-2.5 seconds. Shadowbolt gains more spell bonuses from affliction talents, and that will make it the superior choice.

**Twistedsight** · 2008-09-27, 03:48 AM

@vocah

I would have sworn I saw that incinerate was effected by bane. /facepalm

I just don't want to go back to spamming SB i did it all the way though BC and don't want to do it through LK.

(yes that was a small QQ)

**jthnyn13** · 2008-09-27, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Twistedsight

@vocah

I would have sworn I saw that incinerate was effected by bane. /facepalm

I just don't want to go back to spamming SB i did it all the way though BC and don't want to do it through LK.

(yes that was a small QQ)

And half the reason I argued a fail dps spec. I'm sick of hitting my two button constantly. Anything looks better than that atm.

**Dewback** · 2008-09-27, 03:54 AM