Originally Posted by Lostprophet
same boat as enhancement shaman. Most boss fights I am at the top of the chart right now, but it will change from fight to fight.
Originally Posted by Lostprophet
same boat as enhancement shaman. Most boss fights I am at the top of the chart right now, but it will change from fight to fight.
The shadowpriest community is clearly the damage-dealer community who have the biggest trouble grasping the fact that they do equal (amen a bit lower) damage than all other classes.
As intended by Blizzard.
Shadowpriests go all scared and "OMG WE ART OP" when they do high numbers, yet have trouble understand that their raid companions of the other classes do equal amount of damage -- unless they are utterly shit or extremly capped on gear.
Knock it off people, nothing overpowered about any class in PvE atm.
Shadow Priests are overpowered when casting mind sear. That's about it. It's probably the best AE in the game currently.
If your shadow priests are always beating your mages on the meters... tell your mages to stop raiding until they can learn their class?
Top Horde guild in the US eh? I know you're right but look at the whole WWS parse...they wiped on Patchwerk x 2, Maexxna, Noth, Heigan, Gluth, Gothik, Sapphiron, Malygos. I mean, who the fuck wipes on NOTH or GOTHIK?!?!Originally Posted by Niveypew
And yeah, if a shadow priest is constantly beating a "pure" dps class in equivalent gear, that just means the priest knows how to play and the other dps does not. Perhaps the others should do some reading up on the EJ forums...
Actually, it's Devouring Plague and Pestilence what makes priest shine on aoe encounter. I always have my Unholy DK targeted so I can put up DP on his target. And only then I start Mind Searing.. and that's where sp pops out with really huge numbersOriginally Posted by Tablemaker
Yeah... and thank god pestilence doesn't have a cooldown now, uh?
It still cost 1 unholy rune. So you can't SPAM it.Originally Posted by Tablemaker
Look at the raid composition on that WWS parse. Looks to me they were learning how to run with minimal healers for an eventual speed clear.Originally Posted by Devia
Exodus was part of the top 10 guilds to kill Kil'jaeden (I forgot their number), and I belive US first.
It's a good guild, and nice to see some numbers to shut people up.
In AOE SPs are definitively OP, but AOE is dead as a meaningful game mechanic.
And no, on average they should not be on the top 3 on a 25 man boss fight (equal gear blah blah blah), but more on the 9th-15th place, depending on encounter ofc.
Are they currently a bit OP in PVE? Maybe, but nothing of much concern really... yes they will lose against a proper DPS on a single target no movement fight, but otherwise (multi target or movement) they will come out a bit too much. Question is that they probably will not scale as well as other classes.
It is a far cry from the days of TBC start where SPs were brokenly OP in PVE.
not 1 or 2 dmg meters m8 , there was a link to wowmeters, which was showing all dps classes/spec best dps on every boss in endgame content, spriests were 6th or 7th in this i think, ill try find the link for u, then u can seeOriginally Posted by moominator
Originally Posted by Doctadrew
http://wmo.178.com/rank/classrank/6
there, look patchwork, i said 6th or 7th , i ment 10th, so were not op id say for a dps spec were underpowered
Originally Posted by Doctadrew
Someone might have already said it but I think they were running 2 healers.Originally Posted by Devia
I'm guessing that people think Spriests are OP because in early Naxx before you've farmed it for a while and geared everyone up, they were really good. But now that everyones gear has improved, so has their DPS quite substantially, Spriests DPS has increased a bit, but nothing like the other DPS has. Once again it looks like: a) Priests scale like shit (lol BC) or b) other DPS scale incredibly well or c) Blizzard buffed other DPS too much while leaving Priests behind.
It would be nice if this Xpac we're actually good DPS for more than the entry level raids, seeing as we won't get raid spots in higher level instances because of our insane mana regen anymore...
What are your DPS classes do jerking off during bosses or just downz?Originally Posted by morriso
You're looking at Patch kills <2 minutes. There's no way to guage DPS on a 2 minute fight because some classes with cooldowns will have their cooldowns going for nearly the ENTIRE FIGHT.
Shadow priests are NOT overpowered (though they were for about 2 days), the rest of your DPS just sucks. Mages should be able to easily out-DPS a Shadow Priest. Rogues are a but underpowered ATM but most pure DPS classes have an edge. If they aren't taking it, they suck. I do about 5k DPS over a 4-5 minute Patchwerk as a Shadow Priest and came in either second or third. Someone was really close... but a mage beat me out by a large margin.
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Haven't you thought that second of third is a bit high for a non DPS class, specially in a fight were SPs should shine the less? (no movement, single target). There they should be 9th or bellow on average. Of course you may outskill/outgear your guildmates.Originally Posted by Moocat
Nah, I think he is saying that the rest of his guild's DPS "just sucks", as SPs aint OP at all :Originally Posted by Pyrostemplar
The better the gear gets, the more stable the SP position gets in the middle of the charts. Might be a scaling issue, but to early to say for sure.
On trash (or multi target in general) when we can chanel MS without issues (obvious reasons why this is sometimes hard, right?) we totaly own every other class.
On single target tank and spank fights, we are in the middle of the charts, but high above the tanks (remember tBC?), talking about a well geared and ballanced group (with all the buffs for melee and caster alike (like druid auras etc)). If we are higher then warlocks or mages, then /target and /lol them after posting the recount data on raid chanel. And be proud that you play a complicated class well.
Back in BC, the good shadow priests learned everything they could about their class -perfecting their rotation to provide the maximum possible dps they could to lead to more mana returns. Now that our damage has been increased to an average level, the extremely knowledgeable and skilled priests are tearing apart some meters. Depending what guild you are in and who you raid with, you will see shadow priests from 10th all the way to first. If a guild is geared perfectly and everyone is equally skilled, the priest should NEVER come in the top 5 in a fight, unless said fight favors aoe and movement.