Healbot vs. Grid+Clique

[Gibbon]

The CPU usage comparison is cute, I can make the numbers tell the complete opposite, by clicking on Healbot for 30 seconds and not doing anything in Grid.
And I'm not even taking into account that Grid = 450kb, and Healbot = 1300kb. Generally it doesn't have real impact on the CPU usage, but you can still wonder how an addon that has half of the functionnality ot the other can take 3 times as much memory.

@Neeklus : I can understand that your biaised vision won't be changed easily. Especially if you only spend some hours setting Grid up, and not even trying it in raid action.
If you find it "buggy", it's probably because you didn't get the hang of it yet.
I can assure you that if you put a little effort, you won't ever want to go back to Healbot. Garanteed.

Don't be afraid by it's minimalistic looks, the displaying options are by far superior to any other unitframe addon.

[Neeklus]

Well it IS buggy. It's disabled Dotimer for a start. PoM does not appear as an icon, the colour shaders don't work properly etc etc.

Overall it's not as customizable as people tout. If I could have the icons appear in the corner, or the coloured squares appear in a line, that would be swell. But you can't. Healbot's presentation is far simpler, imo.

[Laurelin]

You just have not taken the time to sit down and learn GRID. I have 0 issues with GRID being buggy. It works fine in showing me every buff and debuff that need to be seen in a small area. It is obvious that you had already made up your mind before this discussion started so it is pointless to continue. Keep using what you prefer and you'll be happy. It's not like anyone is forcing you to use any mod.

[Gibbon]

You're right Laurelin, I don't even know why I'm trying to give advices to obtuse people. Maybe because I'm too generous... => By the way. Neeklus, you didn't even say what whas the error message about your conflict between Dotimer and Grid. Maybe it's a simple issue, easy to solve.
PoM not appearing as an icon ? Check specific buffs naming and priorities.
Color shader issue ? Maybe you have 2 settings overlapping each other, I don't know. Because it's been nearly 2 years and a half since I use it, and I didn't have any bug since 1 year. And I'm updating my addons multiple times a day.

To conclude, I think everyone who has thoroughly tried both addons can say that Grid is only limited by your mind and your lazyness, while Healbot is complete in its way but limited to some users.

[Jonisawsom]

Well it IS buggy. It's disabled Dotimer for a start. PoM does not appear as an icon, the colour shaders don't work properly etc etc.

Overall it's not as customizable as people tout. If I could have the icons appear in the corner, or the coloured squares appear in a line, that would be swell. But you can't. Healbot's presentation is far simpler, imo.

And you completely ignored where we some of us said that too many icons is bad. Even on the grid addons they tell you information overload is not your friend. You will complain till you have your icons though so you can say it's not as good as healbot. Here I happen to come across these in 30 seconds by accident while looking for unit frame mods.

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...ner-icons.aspx
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...ide-icons.aspx

Want text instead?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...ornertext.aspx
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...rsidetext.aspx

Want even more dots?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...rner-plus.aspx

How about 3 lines of text in the middle?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...tor-text3.aspx

Add the right click menu to the frames (can set to a different combo)?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...unit-menu.aspx

Btw dots in a straight line = bad idea. Row of 10 dots, which one is 4 and which one is 5 at a glance? There is a reason they have them only in the corners and on the sides, and it's so that they are separate and easy to decide which is which. If you want your icons anyway try those addons. Just stop acting like you are putting so much work into this because you want to like it when you had a closed mind from the start.

[Lenerien]

IM so used to playing with Healbot that when i go to Grid clique im looking for icons for buffs yet grid doesnt do a very good job at it. I see it has color codes from all the post. That will take a while to get used too. and some of the buffs are spelled out.

So ill give it a shot. see what i can do with it. Also do you reconmend using Percents over amounts ?

[Neeklus]

Always use amounts. At tank with 50k hp at 75% health will need a bigger heal than a rogue with 20k at 75%.

[smee]

I tried to use grid but found it too minimalistic and I wanted something better. What I ended up doing is going healbot.

With healbot I can see actual raid frames, like the ones from my x-pearl unit frames and I have it set up to where anything that I can debuff as a paladin is highlighted throughout the entire frame based on spell type and color. I also set the option to buff the entire frame red based on aggro so I can see a clothie getting mob aggro and throw a HL or BoP before they get 1-2shotted.

Its also nice in that it shows my 2 healing buffs on targets so I never have to keep one targeted and it seems better for paladins since my mouse has 4 buttons on it and I only cast 4 things(HL,FoL,HS,Cleanse) minus my healing buffs.


I also like itbetter in that it shows a health bar with name and percentage and you can see incoming heals and for how much. Also I can downsize it and it wont look so crammed like grid is.

You obviously have downs and are attracted to screen cluttering bollocks.

Grid does everything you mentioned.

It just seems your mental disability pre-cludes you from being able to set it up.

[Holynerd]

Holynerd's 2 cents :

Personally as a holy paladin, I use Xperl's Raid frames (included in the standard package)
I have Tried Grid+Clique, not a great fan, even when i had used it for a week and gotten used to it
Personally didnt like Healbot

I use Xperl Becuase even though it does use alot of my screen, i do like it and i find it easier than looking at a minimalistic addon such as Grid. On Xperl i also find it easier to see damage better than Healbot/Grid

Meh my eyesight might be bad

But thats Just my own opinion

[segma]

Seeing as how we've got passionate and dedicated Grid and HealBot users in this thread here, I would like to pose the following challenge for either camp to take up:

How do you configure Grid or HealBot to display whom has Kel'thuzad's Frost Blast on them? I would prefer an icon that would eat up the centre of the unit frame, over a colour. I don't need to see what's happening to the health bars during that time.

For HealBot users, how do you configure your addon to display this? Does it happen automagically? What happens when someone, or someones are Frost Blasted?

For Grid users answering this question, I have installed the latest GridStatusRaidDebuff. It doesn't display that debuff. I have also configured Grid in the following manner:

- Clicked the [ + ] by Status.
- Clicked the [ + ] by Auras.
- Clicked on Auras to display the actual entry fields for new buffs/debuffs.
- In the field, "Add new debuff", typed "Frost Blast" and pressed Enter. This generated a new entry in the Auras subcategory "Debuff:Frost Blast"

- Clicked on "Debuff: Frost Blast"
- Changed the priority slider from 90 to 99.
- Changed the colour to bright, blinding red.

- Clicked the [ + ] by Frame.
- Clicked on Center Icon.
- Checked "Debuff:Frost Blast"

In Grid, the debuff still does not show. The colour does not change. The health just drops and that's it.

So yeah, there's the challenge. Thoughts?

[Zeuq]

Seeing as how we've got passionate and dedicated Grid and HealBot users in this thread here, I would like to pose the following challenge for either camp to take up:

How do you configure Grid or HealBot to display whom has Kel'thuzad's Frost Blast on them? I would prefer an icon that would eat up the centre of the unit frame, over a colour. I don't need to see what's happening to the health bars during that time.

For HealBot users, how do you configure your addon to display this? Does it happen automagically? What happens when someone, or someones are Frost Blasted?

Personally, I use Healbot and I really don't understand the vitriol that so many other people seem to have toward Healbot and people who use it. As for your specific question, Healbot was very simple to set up for Frost Blast. All I had to do was go to the debuff tab, type Frost Blast into the custom debuff box, and click save. On the next KT encounter, anyone who got a Frost Blast, their bar turned the custom debuff color which I had previously configured for other debuffs (but you can disable it), and it also displayed the Frost Blast icon on the Health bar.

[Xelaeno]

And you completely ignored where we some of us said that too many icons is bad. Even on the grid addons they tell you information overload is not your friend. You will complain till you have your icons though so you can say it's not as good as healbot. Here I happen to come across these in 30 seconds by accident while looking for unit frame mods.

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...ner-icons.aspx
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...ide-icons.aspx

Want text instead?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...ornertext.aspx
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...rsidetext.aspx

Want even more dots?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...rner-plus.aspx

How about 3 lines of text in the middle?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...tor-text3.aspx

Add the right click menu to the frames (can set to a different combo)?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...unit-menu.aspx

Btw dots in a straight line = bad idea. Row of 10 dots, which one is 4 and which one is 5 at a glance? There is a reason they have them only in the corners and on the sides, and it's so that they are separate and easy to decide which is which. If you want your icons anyway try those addons. Just stop acting like you are putting so much work into this because you want to like it when you had a closed mind from the start.

I <3 U!

Someone should sticky this post imo.

[Vi]

I used healbot for a good year with grid just for raid frames (no clique) before moving to grid+clique only. Three main reasons for the switch: 1) healbot was getting increasingly buggy (mixing up people in groups, showing people at half health when they were really at full) which, despite multiple re-installations with wiping the saved variables files did not fix and

2) healbot takes too much screen space, if I wanted to make the bar big enough to see the nice little PoM, GS, and Shield icons and not obscure the actual health bar, I would have to resize the boxes to be waaay too big.

Perfect example is http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.ph...4019#msg734019 (screen shot is too large for me to want to repeat post)

I can't see for the life of me on the healbot bar if the person with those three buffs is at 100% or 50% health without squinting and the transparency thing with health percentages still doesn't help (I grappled with this for a while on healbot). With the grid frame, I know where the icons or dots show which buffs are active and I can clearly see the person's health bar and keep the frame relatively small.

3) GridDynamicZoneSwitch - no more scrambling to change the healbot profile from a 40 man to a 15 man if I move from an AV to a WSG, the Grid frame size changes automatically if I want to enable this setting.

Grid + clique takes more time to figure out, but now I have my Shield, PoM, Grace (specc'd to disc recently), Pain Suppression, etc icons (see GridIndicatorCornerIcons and GridIndicatorCornerPlus mods) in different locations out of the way of the health bar, and I am able to change the size and location of the icons and the raid frames on a whim. I don't say healbot is for lazy people, I certainly wasn't a lazy ass when I healed with healbot and a portion of the top healers in my guild still use it just fine.

When comparing priests and healing UIs, I would say that Grid is more useful for disc priests since we are more concerned about seeing information on CDs and procs on other players (Weakened Soul, Grace, Power Infusion, Pain Suppression, Renew, and Divine Aegis if you are really anal). All that information on healbot is not visually helpful but on grid, I can see it all with little clutter. Holy priests aren't as concerned about Weakened Soul, they should track Renews, GS, and Shields, and PoM can be done outside of healbot with other add-ons if the icons on healbot start to get too cluttered. The argument of hardcore versus lazy healers wastes time (i.e., the gagillion self-indulgent grid user posts I had to skim through in this thread) and doesn't actually help people get good advice on one add-on versus the other.

For me, who switches between holy and disc as needed and has used both healbot and grid+clique, I prefer grid+clique because it is visually clearer, especially for disc.

So if you want to try to switch to healing with grid and are willing to take some time to learn the in's and out's (took me total of a couple of hours with testing in bgs to figure out all the key bindings I wanted and how I wanted de/buffs set up), be sure to check out this graphic someone made to show the submenus (http://nomadenseelewow.files.wordpre...ng?w=500&h=865) and dl some of the add-ons Jonis mentioned to help customize grid for yourself:

And you completely ignored where we some of us said that too many icons is bad. Even on the grid addons they tell you information overload is not your friend. You will complain till you have your icons though so you can say it's not as good as healbot. Here I happen to come across these in 30 seconds by accident while looking for unit frame mods.

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...ner-icons.aspx
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...ide-icons.aspx

Want text instead?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...ornertext.aspx
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...rsidetext.aspx

Want even more dots?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...rner-plus.aspx

How about 3 lines of text in the middle?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...tor-text3.aspx

Add the right click menu to the frames (can set to a different combo)?
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-a...unit-menu.aspx

[Macbrea]

I was a healbot healer for most of BC cause when I hit 70 that is what the other healers in my guild recommended. I was pulling my weight but I noticed that a new healer that was recruited was topping the meters continually and I began to wonder. So I aked him one night after we finished raiding and he said healbot was what got him thorugh kara and ZA cause there was only 10 people and that way healbot didn't take up to much space. We continued to talk and he got me to try grid (he didnt use clique). So one night in Hyjal I tried grid and havent looked back. I currently don't use clique cause I don't raid heal (usually assigned a tank to keep up and that is what i do). But i regress. With grid I could see all the buffs/debuffs and still see what was going on around me and the first night I used grid I managed to top the healing meters. Now I am curious about clique and might try it tonight but I have never been much of a clicker outside of targeting.

[fibre]

Simple answer: Healbot.
;D

[verator]

Healbot promotes lazy terrible healers.

Grid + clique

[c4tuna]

Healbot is nice but very limited and leads to epic failure on fights like KT and sarth+3. Use grid. I used to use clique, but with alt macros and q+e bound I have all my spells available in 2 keystrokes so i grew out of clique too.

[Gabbyii]

Earthshield Question -

So in healbot there is a nice little es icon that shows up for the player I've cast it on. However - if we have multiple resto shammies in the group - Healbot doesn't show who the other shammy has their es on.

Is there a way to setup healbot to show which players have other shamans earthshields on?

Can grid +clique do this?

Thanks

[fibre]

I'm gonna say 99% of the anti-healbot statements are entirely fabricated, likely out of ignorance.

[c4tuna]

Earthshield Question -

So in healbot there is a nice little es icon that shows up for the player I've cast it on. However - if we have multiple resto shammies in the group - Healbot doesn't show who the other shammy has their es on.

Is there a way to setup healbot to show which players have other shamans earthshields on?

Can grid +clique do this?

Thanks

You can set grid to monitor who has buffs or is missing buffs. It might take an extra addon, i'm not sure though, but mine tracks prayer of mending and works for other priests too.