Pvp Hpally 3.1 Spec Discussion

[Altlas]

I'm making this post to try to focus all the discussion of Holy pally pvp spec's into one main thread, I see many different posts that discuss it but their not very well titled or overlooked. Please keep in mind I'm new to both these forums as a poster and new to Holy pally pvp, i used to mainly pve, but have found myself more enjoying pvp.

As you all probably are already debating, is 3.1 going to be Holy/prot or Holy/Ret?

I myself am still even after hours of playing with talent calculators and messing around on the PTR am still finding myself in slump...The biggest issue i see with a Holy/Prot spec (Below - Just an example not fine tuned etc.) seems to be the fact that even though your saving IoF for those oh-so-fun insta-flash of lights, Your losing 8% crit from the ret tree, So while you may argue you still have DF for that Oh-Sh!t moment it's still relatively sketchy losing all that crit while saving a talent thats reliant on crit. But, at the same time if you look at these talents you gain through prot, the survival possiblities are absolutely incredible such as the 30% stun time reduction and then in 3's Divine Sac would be quite the asset.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...1&version=9757

As for holy/ret, this spec would/will most likely be the choice for many hpally pvp'ers why? Because its more viable in 2v2, in the 2v2 bracket winning seems to be more based on burst and CC (atleast from what i've seen) - With a spec alot like the one below, mana will never be a problem and having Divine purpose and Repentance will both free up your partner and also help you keep either the off-target or their healer locked up. Only problem with this spec is you have limited oh-sh!t buttons and will take more damage in comparison to the holy/prot spec.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=503121503002120531300000000000000000000000000000000005230250223001320130000000&gl yph=071619040301&version=9757



These are my current thoughts, I've cut myself a bit short to keep discussion more open and variable. Do keep in mind these specs are just tossed together examples not set in stone or deeply thought out, I just wanted to give a general example for the thread. I am looking forward to an intelligent discussion and some interesting points. Thank You for your time.

[Thesentinel]

I like it - interested to hear thoughts on this also.

For Holy/Prot - what about the 5 pts out of benediction - and put them into:

1 into Imp Dev aura to get BoSanc (1) - dmg reduction seems good? Or do Conc aura and Kings make this redundant?

And the rest goes into Purifying Power (2) (to boost our main DPS source) leaving 1 to go into Enlightened Judgements to get some reach and hits with our Judgements. Or is it more about not going OOM than doing dmg?

[Thogrim]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9757

How this would work? JotW is worthless as holypally anyway, so I just took crit from retri tree. Then stun and suff from protection, and rest is holy crit, and other ncessary things.

[Zherod]

For the Major Glyph - take away Plea, you aren't going to use plea while focussed anyway - for Turn Evil
For the Spec i'm just w8 the first 1-2 week for adjustement but it will be somwthing like 4x-20-0 .. with crit adjustement via gear.

[apokteino]

JotW is worthless as holypally anyway

which is why 37/0/34 didn't work this season and isn't getting nerfed... oh wait.

[jneboon]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9757

never played holy or prot...just bored this could be a nightmare for anybody to kill :P

[Ryevin]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9757

never played holy or prot...just bored this could be a nightmare for anybody to kill :P

probably, but you would most likely hard a very hard time keeping your friends alive over the other popural specs.

[vular]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...6&version=9767

I'm gonna give this spec a try.
I see big heals with the change to how aura's work and also while being really defensive to others and myself. I'm gonna use glyph of salv , glyph of exorcism, and glyph of holy shock, also I decided to not have judgment glyph for this spec.