Feral (Cat) PvE Dps in 3.1

[shammyhoho]

hey guys, just want to ask, is there any hit cap for cat pve dps as of now? and also expertise cap? what are the priority stats for 3.1 pve? what are the best glyphs for pve cat dps as well? im just new to druids thats why thanks!

[ReD-EyeD]

hey guys, just want to ask, is there any hit cap for cat pve dps as of now? and also expertise cap? what are the priority stats for 3.1 pve? what are the best glyphs for pve cat dps as well? im just new to druids thats why thanks!

Not again. Another "im new and don't know how to use search" thread.

Feral Numbers
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36999-feral_druid_numbers/

Feral Glyphs
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t37036-feral_glyphs/

[camy011]

Hit cap is 8% for melee (7% with daenai racial).
Expertise cap is 6.5% on bosses.
You will want to stack agility after the patch. There is a possibility armor pen will be > agility, but we are not sure at this time.
In terms of getting hit and expertise capped, it isn't as important as other melee classes. You should be close however. Use http://www.codeplex.com/Rawr for your gearing / gemming choices. They have beta versions out for the ptr.

Glyphs- shred / rip / savage roar

[shammyhoho]

got it! thanks bud

[Blades2004]

Not again. Another "im new and don't know how to use search" thread.

Feral Numbers
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36999-feral_druid_numbers/

Feral Glyphs
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t37036-feral_glyphs/

Also a good site is http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t49702-f...mulation_tool/

It has gear BiS list and alota other nice info.

[Dokoran]

Not again. Another "im new and don't know how to use search" thread.

Feral Numbers
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36999-feral_druid_numbers/

Feral Glyphs
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t37036-feral_glyphs/

I hate when people link to EJ forums, not only are a lot of the numbers incorrect [only a few good theorycrafters on EJ these days] but the information is also out of date [they still show savage roar glyph as a 6% increase, it was reduced to 3% increase a month ago.]

[ReD-EyeD]

I hate when people link to EJ forums, not only are a lot of the numbers incorrect [only a few good theorycrafters on EJ these days] but the information is also out of date [they still show savage roar glyph as a 6% increase, it was reduced to 3% increase a month ago.]

Yeah, learn to read edit notes and try to look through the whole thread, not only the first post.

Last edited by RareBeast : 12/30/08 at 5:40 PM.

[shammyhoho]

just a question, seems like the hit cap for druids is around 200+ not really sure but what i want to know is that is it reasonable to gem my gear with agi/hit gems or other hit gems to hit that cap? i got 5/5 t7.5 feral gear however they dont have any hit, and i also dont have necks,cloaks,bracers,belts or boots with hit, only my ring. so is it ok to exchange agi/crit gems for hit gems? also, another question about the idol. is the rip idol (idol of worship i thnk), better than the shred idol (idol of the ravenous beast)? thanks

[Nimoku]

just a question, seems like the hit cap for druids is around 200+ not really sure but what i want to know is that is it reasonable to gem my gear with agi/hit gems or other hit gems to hit that cap? i got 5/5 t7.5 feral gear however they dont have any hit, and i also dont have necks,cloaks,bracers,belts or boots with hit, only my ring. so is it ok to exchange agi/crit gems for hit gems? also, another question about the idol. is the rip idol (idol of worship i thnk), better than the shred idol (idol of the ravenous beast)? thanks

Hit cap for ferals is 262 hit rating.

If you have a draenei in your group you can lower your hit rating by 32-33

[shammyhoho]

is it ok to exchange my agi/crit gems for hit gems?

[rellex]

from what you said before, you have something like 30ish hit, and while I don't play a kitty, i can tell you that all the AP/crit in the world won't do crap if you miss/glance every hit

[Cowboi]

Hit / Expertise Cap before you gem or gear any more Crit or AP.

You need 263 Hit to be Hit Cap if Horde, not sure on the number for Alliance as you get 1% hit if you have a Draenei in your group, so around 230 hit.

[shammyhoho]

here's a link to my armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ar&n=Breadpitt

i know my neck, bracers, belt and trinkets suck and i plan to get new ones (i get the one's posted at maxdps.com which gives the highest amount of dps). should i change my agi/crit gems to hit/exp gems then? also, is there anythng i can change with my spec? any other comments regarding gear/spec or whatever are welcome, need to improve more thanks!

[getefix]

here's a link to my armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ar&n=Breadpitt

i know my neck, bracers, belt and trinkets suck and i plan to get new ones (i get the one's posted at maxdps.com which gives the highest amount of dps). should i change my agi/crit gems to hit/exp gems then? also, is there anythng i can change with my spec? any other comments regarding gear/spec or whatever are welcome, need to improve more thanks!

Personally, I like being near to the hit cap. When you NEED 1 or 2 extra combo points in a hurry then missing really hurts. This is not gospel, but what I would do is:

Replace all your agil+crit gems with 16hit (you have almost no hit on your gear)
Replace your belt gem with a 16 agility
I would enchant your gloves with +hit and your boots with icewalker, but that's just me.
switch all 16AP + 12 stam gems to 8agil + 12 stam.

I see that a good amount of this is tank gear. You're way over the dps expertise cap due to your tank pieces. If you can pick up a DPS ring/neck then you should be able to even bring that expertise back down and bring your other stats up.

Once you get your hit to around ~230 then you can forget about it. you're not quite at the cap but the quality of your gear and the role I assume you play (OT and DPS) mean that you're not supposed to top DPS charts, as well you'll get upgrades soon enough that will improve your hit.

if your first spec is supposed to be a dps spec then replace it with:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZgGMcfrz0eR0huAkbAczb
tank build:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZgGGscrzceRcczAkbA0z

As I said before, this is only the way I like things. If you think you can get more dps out of higher crit and lower hit then go for it. I find it risky and prefer a (almost) guaranteed hit when I use an ability.

EDIT: to replace your neck: I suggest the reward from the 25 man maly quest (get it from the Heroic: Key to the Focusing Iris off Saph) or something ridiculous out of Ulduar if you can find one. The badge belt is decent, Stalk-Skin belt is better though which drops in Naxx 25. Grim toll, Bandit's Insignia, Fury of the Five Flights, Darkmoon Card: Greatness (agil) are all great trinkets if you can get a hold of one. Until then, try to get http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37166 if you still have a problem with hit rating.

[Murre]

Concerning hit for cat DPS, (I may be the biggest idiot when typing this, if so flame on) I regemmed all my +hit gems for STR ones about a month ago and I had an increase in DPS. Atm I'm doing around 3.8K on hc test dummy.

Here's my armory:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...w&n=Murr%C3%AA

[shammyhoho]

I see that a good amount of this is tank gear. You're way over the dps expertise cap due to your tank pieces. If you can pick up a DPS ring/neck then you should be able to even bring that expertise back down and bring your other stats up.

actually im just wearing tank gear atm with tank spec. but my raid spec is pure cat dps. what i have for neck is the hateful gladiator melee neck (yea that sux). hopefully il be gettin some good replacements for those pvp gear in naxx or hopefully, ulduar. im also thinking of changing my agi/crit gems for hit ones, but the problem is what if a nice hit trinket or other hit gear would drop? wouldnt regemming my t7.5 gear to hit be a waste? just thinkn bout it

[getefix]

yes it would be a waste. you're really supposed to get all your hit from gear, not gems. I don't have any hit gems in my gear, but i do have my feet and hands enchanted for it. The trinket should help a lot, if you can pick up Grim Toll then you'll be laughing.

Some options:

Feet from argent crusade : http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44297
Hands from H UP : http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37409
Trinket from H Nexus : http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37166

those 3 items will give you 187 hit rating, + the small amount you already have. The trinket is actually very good for being a blue. Replace your PvP trinket with that one, Mirror of Truth is amazing.

No matter what you do you're going to have to spend money. When new stuff drops you'll have to enchant and gem it as well. Only replace your yellow gems if you find you still need hit, leave all those agility gems where they are. And replace those AP + stam gems right away with 8 agil + 12 stam, or just 16 agil forgetting the socket bonus. There's no reason to go for a stam socket bonus if your raid spec is dps (like your chest, shoulders, head). As long as you're keeping your meta, keep the agility gems coming.

[shammyhoho]

alright bud! thanks for the tip

[wyrdone]

Don't gem for hit. Get hit from gear.

Remember, Dots can crit now. So Rip & Rake have become a much larger percentage of dps.

Agi gems will be better than Str gems even though they are less AP overall, the more crit ticks of your dots is huge though.

[getefix]

Don't gem for hit. Get hit from gear.

yes

Remember, Dots can crit now. So Rip & Rake have become a much larger percentage of dps.

no