Rate The Rogue Above You.

[sabrelime]

The first thing I noticed was that you had Engineering which for mutilate is not quite as good as the other professions if you don't use your bombs on cd, but its not that big of a deal, and you can have a viable pvp profession. For your belt why are you using an ap purple gem? You already have a nightmare tear. Greatring of collison is not that good for mut, try to get enough badges to buy the ring from trimuph vendor asap.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...oc&n=Sabrelime
As for mine I know if I switched around my tear and Delicate eye on my neck I could gain 7 DPS, and my shoes if I put ametrines in I would get a few dps, I just have not got around to doing so because I do not raid ATM. Also normally my trinket is Blood of the old god and my cloak is the untamed predator, I pretty much pvp in pve gear most of the time.

EDIT-And my off hand is the normal bladebreaker.

[Deleted]

you got some nice gear and for muti breaking the t8.5 set bonus is gonna be hard coz is jus sooo good. you should maybe look at replacing your arp items tho as it is such a wasted stat for muti.

the 10man shoulders from anub and the 25 man ring jump to mind. over all nice 8/10

me - http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...Halls&n=Siylir

[Mn3m0n1c]

6/10

You are 103arp over soft cap with mjolnir runestone, switch 5 gems over to agility.
4 piece 245 is a downgrade to heroic 245/heroic 258 BiS pieces.

Pick up Aldriana's combat 1.3(beta 4) spreadsheet and adjust your gemming / gearing accordingly, im sure you have some stuff banked so you could put on the 4 piece.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...gun&n=Mnemonic

[Paper]

9/10 for having those god-awful numbers in your name.

<3

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...aelgun&n=Paper

[Slythas]

9/10 for having those god-awful numbers in your name.

<3

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...aelgun&n=Paper

Looking very good, but I think it would be better to replace the 10agi/crit gems with only 20agi gems.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...hood&n=Slythas

[Deleted]

6/10

You are 103arp over soft cap with mjolnir runestone, switch 5 gems over to agility.
4 piece 245 is a downgrade to heroic 245/heroic 258 BiS pieces.

Pick up Aldriana's combat 1.3(beta 4) spreadsheet and adjust your gemming / gearing accordingly, im sure you have some stuff banked so you could put on the 4 piece.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...gun&n=Mnemonic

i dnt trust spreadsheets and i prefer my own testing and continuing to gem Arp after soft cap still yields the best dps for me. as with MR u only have around 20% uptime so for the other 80% you are at 53% and after i get head from ONY and gloves/neck from 10 HC toc i will be removing MJ and replaceing it with DC when i get.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/513...1109183652.jpg image shows i must be doing something right even though it is a gimmic fight you can see i still out dps the other rogue has stopped gemming at soft cap

[Lugo Moll]

i dnt trust spreadsheets and i prefer my own testing and continuing to gem Arp after soft cap still yields the best dps for me. as with MR u only have around 20% uptime so for the other 80% you are at 53% and after i get head from ONY and gloves/neck from 10 HC toc i will be removing MJ and replaceing it with DC when i get.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/513...1109183652.jpg image shows i must be doing something right even though it is a gimmic fight you can see i still out dps the other rogue has stopped gemming at soft cap

The thing is, it's impossible to do any real testing in game. There is too much randomness involved. Unless you can get an entire raid to stand nuking a target dummy for an hour with one gem setup, and then with the other gem setup, won't be able to compare two gem setups using an in-game damage meter.

Spreadsheets and simsheets helps you emulate those conditions and can tell you which setup to use.

That screenshot means nothing. Say that the other rogue got empowered darkness at a slightly bad time while he was running from a portal, while you had 100% uptime when you got it. That alone is enough to nullify any gemming differences. There are endless similar things that affected the damage meters. Maybe the other rogue simply does his rotation worse than you.

[Deleted]

yea and trusting a formula that some other person puts into a spread sheet and not taking into account the mechanic of a fight are so much better?

i'm not saying my screenshot says that my gemming is better but on that fight stacking both bosses together for maximum uptime on dps says more to me about certain things than a spreadsheet. and also like i said i PERSONALLY don't like to take a spreadsheet as fact and prefer to do my own stuff ingame and for ME i have found that going over the ArP softcap with MR up and having more ArP during the fight when MR dosnt proc works out better for ME

[Wyspr]

Not sure who to rate with the rants above but..

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...27zhul&n=Wyspr

Basically havnt had much luck with trinkets dropping so yes I know I'm way above hit cap atm, even in toc. Not that I'm not winning them, I'm just not seeing them drop. 2nd, never had a 10m hmode group. Yeah we have 3 10m hmode groups in the guild and my work sched can't fit with then I still need a MJ, it sucks. 3rd just changed my spec last night will be trying it today, possibly regemming.

Been reading ej a lot lately, trying a rupture less cycle in 5ms and it feels good atm, havnt done it in 10m or 25m.

For mut rogues, is anyone switching from agil to attckp bc of the envenom buff?
For my yellow single sockets, I've been doing ap/haste bc I can cut that and to get the socket bonus, bc the haste is helping my new spec, but any1 gemming epic attckp over agil now?

[Slythas]

Not sure who to rate with the rants above but..

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...27zhul&n=Wyspr

Basically havnt had much luck with trinkets dropping so yes I know I'm way above hit cap atm, even in toc. Not that I'm not winning them, I'm just not seeing them drop. 2nd, never had a 10m hmode group. Yeah we have 3 10m hmode groups in the guild and my work sched can't fit with then I still need a MJ, it sucks. 3rd just changed my spec last night will be trying it today, possibly regemming.

Been reading ej a lot lately, trying a rupture less cycle in 5ms and it feels good atm, havnt done it in 10m or 25m.

For mut rogues, is anyone switching from agil to attckp bc of the envenom buff?
For my yellow single sockets, I've been doing ap/haste bc I can cut that and to get the socket bonus, bc the haste is helping my new spec, but any1 gemming epic attckp over agil now?

That rant would be me, as I am the only one of the last posters linking the armory profile of my character.

[Fcpremix]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...geras&n=Braced

[Everywon]

This is my rogue http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ale&n=Everywon, just recently switched to combat over mutilate because of weapons

[Voij]

This is my rogue http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ale&n=Everywon, just recently switched to combat over mutilate because of weapons

Ugh, sooo much...

a) Get Epicgems
b) Don't use violet gems, use 1 Nightmare Tear and the rest either red or orange. [Orange if socket is yellow and socketbonus would outweigh the loss from switching from pure-red to orange]
c) Get better enchants for: Shoulders, Back, Chest, Bracers, Gloves and both Weapons. [Weapons are most important here.]
d) You are BRUTALLY overcapped on expertise, either go back to Mut or exchange lots of your gear.
e) You should use Rupture and spec into Blood Spatter, Evis spam is not worth it for you yet. (Cause of the lack of ArP Gear you face)
f) Try to buy yourself the Darkmoon Card: Greatness instead of that Blue trinket you're wearing, it's far better then yours. [And remember, almost all On-Use-Trinkets are bad for us Rogues.]
g) You should think about dropping Skinning, as it's not a good profession for someone who's raiding. (Best two are Blacksmith and Jewelcrafting, though Alchemy, Inscription, Leatherworking and Enchanting follow close behind)

Edit: You get a 4/10, sry, can't give you more from what I see.

[Everywon]

Ugh, sooo much...

a) Get Epicgems
b) Don't use violet gems, use 1 Nightmare Tear and the rest either red or orange. [Orange if socket is yellow and socketbonus would outweigh the loss from switching from pure-red to orange]
c) Get better enchants for: Shoulders, Back, Chest, Bracers, Gloves and both Weapons. [Weapons are most important here.]
d) You are BRUTALLY overcapped on expertise, either go back to Mut or exchange lots of your gear.
e) You should use Rupture and spec into Blood Spatter, Evis spam is not worth it for you yet. (Cause of the lack of ArP Gear you face)
f) Try to buy yourself the Darkmoon Card: Greatness instead of that Blue trinket you're wearing, it's far better then yours. [And remember, almost all On-Use-Trinkets are bad for us Rogues.]

THank you for the input. I'll change my spec and evis glyph, I haven't gemmed all epics yet because I'm hoping to replace some of the current gear. The enchants i have were the ones i used myself to lvl enchanting, trying to be gold efficient and use my enchanting rather than someone elses.

[Voij]

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...r=Ysera&n=Voij

Here's mine, offhand should be the 1.4 dagger from ToC10 hardmode, not sure whether it's gonna be displayed. [Used slow offhand for Killing Spree on flying alliance players in WG, one of the most fun things I've done with my Rogue for quite some time^^]
Yes, I know that I'm way overcapped on hit, but unfortunately I didn't have any drops so far to relieve me from some of it.
Also still haven't gotten a single trophy, mainly because I'm too kind so I hand them over to others who want to complete their 4pc-bonuses.

[physix]

Here's my rogue http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...cale&n=Physics i just started playing again since the emblem change.

[Voij]

Here's my rogue http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...cale&n=Physics i just started playing again since the emblem change.

Get better enchants for Chest and Shoulders, use Nightmare Tear instead of anything that even just remotely reminds of a blue gem, use epic gems[you're just back again, so I won't say much about this] and get better equip. [Yeah, sounds stupid, but it just comes down to this.]

A few weeks/months ago this would have been a 9-9.5/10, now it's down to a 7/10.


In the hopes that someone will comment on it, here it is again:


http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...r=Ysera&n=Voij

Here's mine, offhand should be the 1.4 dagger from ToC10 hardmode, not sure whether it's gonna be displayed. [Used slow offhand for Killing Spree on flying alliance players in WG, one of the most fun things I've done with my Rogue for quite some time^^]
Yes, I know that I'm way overcapped on hit, but unfortunately I didn't have any drops so far to relieve me from some of it.
Also still haven't gotten a single trophy, mainly because I'm too kind so I hand them over to others who want to complete their 4pc-bonuses.

[Flaw]

I know you don't really need to be rated but why are you even concerned with getting trophies, you're a few pieces away from an ideal rupture-less gear setup.

For continuity as always: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...tromath&n=Flaw

I have all my other non-tier 245 pieces, I'm just waiting on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46975 to go rupture-less.

[Joigahdenn]

I know you don't really need to be rated but why are you even concerned with getting trophies, you're a few pieces away from an ideal rupture-less gear setup.

For continuity as always: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...tromath&n=Flaw

I have all my other non-tier 245 pieces, I'm just waiting on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46975 to go rupture-less.

Pretty much everything is in order here. Nonetheless, I am wondering why you haven't switched over to gemming ArP in your red sockets? You'd gain 282 ArP (in your current gear, you'd prob gain quite a bit of ArP in your new gear in addition). I regemmed for ArP even earlier, both anecdotally and quantitatively it came out ahead of gemming agi for my dps. Also, why are you still running rupture cycle when you have the offset 245 pieces? If you switch to all 245 non-tier pieces, it puts ruptureless slightly behind rupture (possibly even ahead depending on which 245 pieces) in terms of pure theoretical dps. However, when you take into consideration the nature of ToC fights, switching to ruptureless even earlier may yield a dps increase, its just too hard to keep rupture up >90% when you spend so much time switching (or off) targets (which the t8 set bonus really requires for it to be worth keeping). I'd gem ArP and go with the easier rotation...

Here's mine:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...h&n=Joigahdenn


EDIT: To the poster directly above me, you should make sure you are actually *up to date* on your rogue theorycrafting. Glyph of Evis is absolutely NOT worthless given the correct gear and spec. You seem to be a couple of months behind on current knowledge. I'd suggest you go back to EJ forums (or go more often) and catch up on your theorycrafting if you're going make claims like the ones you did.

[Flaw]

I am wondering why you haven't switched over to gemming ArP in your red sockets?

I was soft capped prior to the ArP change but after that change I just couldn't get close enough to the new soft cap to make ArP pull ahead of AGI.

Between then and now I've picked up almost all the gear I want/need for rupture-less, I'm just waiting to have it all before I make the switch.

Here's mine: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...h&n=Joigahdenn

Nice setup.