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  1. #741

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by argonion
    I do use a spreadsheet, and I also test stuff ingame. So far agi has trumped arP every time.
    Your spreadsheet may say something, but if you test ingame you might get other results.
    No. No. And. No.

    What, did you test it on a test dummy? Testing is highly inaccurate in head to head trials because each trial will not be identical. Maybe you get stuck on an ice patch for too long on H anub with vanish down. Maybe you have to swap one more time than your last trial on H twins.

    You cannot judge what is best purely based on your own subjective trials. If you could, there would be no need for a spreadsheet.

    Now what you say is partially true, atleast for poisons. For fights where you are constantly running and changing targets, wound/wound is clearly superior, even though the spreadsheet will say wound/deadly. This is not the case with gems, where either you do the best DPS you can, or you don't. And you obviously don't.

    edit: someone rate me so we can end this ridiculous conversation.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Detheroc&n=Smacklepuff

  2. #742

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    I'm not going to enter the above theorycrafting contest.

    As for Panda911... I'm not a pro but you could def use a new wep. And IDK exactly with your gear but I have more benefits using tier chest with heroic TOGC10 gloves. Really nice char btw

    I'd just like comments and/or ratings about my rogue.

    P.S I am aware of the terrible blue gem in my belt, I just never bothered buying a nightmare tear because they are overpriced.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...27thol&n=Isuna

  3. #743

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Nice gear 7/10.
    Aim for some ilvl258 stuff.

    Drop rupture from ur rotation.
    Glyphe Evis, Skill Evis
    profit

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...Kargath&n=Nazz

    go ahead


  4. #744

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by routsch
    Nice gear 7/10.
    Aim for some ilvl258 stuff.

    Drop rupture from ur rotation.
    Glyphe Evis, Skill Evis
    profit

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...Kargath&n=Nazz

    go ahead

    Frickin epix mate real niice
    10/10 for sure

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...ade&n=Scribbly
    here ya go let the flaming commence

  5. #745

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    I dont see how you could have possibly not understood what I wrote, but I AM at the softcap 735 WITH Mjolnirs (100% with procc) and I still see a dps loss as I said. And telling me that gemming agi would give me a dps increase makes in absolutely no definition of the word sense, sense.

    Thanks you for the answers thou...

  6. #746

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stybba
    I dont see how you could have possibly not understood what I wrote, but I AM at the softcap 735 WITH Mjolnirs (100% with procc) and I still see a dps loss as I said. And telling me that gemming agi would give me a dps increase makes in absolutely no definition of the word sense, sense.

    Thanks you for the answers thou...
    Yeah do not listen to argonion, you need to stay gemmed ArP. I do not know why you see a DPS loss, but with your gear you are perfectly fine to gem for armor pen.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Detheroc&n=Smacklepuff

  7. #747

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by panda911
    Yeah do not listen to argonion, you need to stay gemmed ArP. I do not know why you see a DPS loss, but with your gear you are perfectly fine to gem for armor pen.
    Solid. i envy your Death's Choice. i have terrible roll skills (we have multiple ppl dkp capped)


    go ahead: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...n=Genericrogue

  8. #748

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Im with Panda on the ArP debate, Argonian if you have mjolnirs and your not gemming ArP to soft cap of 735 then your a naughty naughty rogue. Its mathmatically proven that ArP is stronger than Agi. In my guild we have 2 rogues, me as an ArP whore combat rogue and a guy who normally plays mutilate but has a combat offspec with h&s spec - obviously he is gemmed AgI, when looking through our logs I am on some occasions up doing up to 25% more damage (note damage not DPS - after all its damage done that really matters). I dont have Mjolnirs so I am trying to gem to hard cap, currently im sitting at 76.xx% food buffed ArP.

    Sorry didnt look you up generic, armoury dont work at work but needed to speak my peace.

    If anyone armouries me im in my Anub 25 TotGC build and glyphs, normally the standard 15/51/5 ruptureless combat with SS, Killing spree and evis glyphs.

  9. #749

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noktus
    Im with Panda on the ArP debate, Argonian if you have mjolnirs and your not gemming ArP to soft cap of 735 then your a naughty naughty rogue. Its mathmatically proven that ArP is stronger than Agi. In my guild we have 2 rogues, me as an ArP whore combat rogue and a guy who normally plays mutilate but has a combat offspec with h&s spec - obviously he is gemmed AgI, when looking through our logs I am on some occasions up doing up to 25% more damage (note damage not DPS - after all its damage done that really matters). I dont have Mjolnirs so I am trying to gem to hard cap, currently im sitting at 76.xx% food buffed ArP.

    Sorry didnt look you up generic, armoury dont work at work but needed to speak my peace.

    If anyone armouries me im in my Anub 25 TotGC build and glyphs, normally the standard 15/51/5 ruptureless combat with SS, Killing spree and evis glyphs.
    7/10

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ron&n=Daggeris
    This is embarassing... please ignore my horrible username.

  10. #750

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Are you daft? That rogue knows what he's doing. The only "error" that might be there is that he is using an agi/crit gem instead of more armor pen when armor pen is becoming so very juicy near the hard cap. He even uses his nightmare tear in the optimal slot!

    On the other hand, you have no professions, are wearing a pvp trinket for dps (Perhaps you were pvping in zero resil and no chain, also a negative anyways), have SIX incorrect enchants (including no hodir rep), you have 0/3 master poisoner (meaning it is mathematically impossible for you to dps well), and aren't even using a mutilate glyph!

    Your pvp spec leaves room for question, and you are using terrible glyphs.

    0/10 because if this isn't a zero, I don't know what is.

    PS: Your meta isn't active.

    I'm not interested in an armory rating, next guy in line find some poor rogue that got skipped and help them out if you would be so kind.

  11. #751

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by Genericrogue
    Solid. i envy your Death's Choice. i have terrible roll skills (we have multiple ppl dkp capped)


    go ahead: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...n=Genericrogue
    Genericrogue: Good professions. Thats pretty much all I can say, you are in your pvp gear.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Detheroc&n=Smacklepuff

  12. #752

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Rather nice gear, but I thought ArP was nerfed? 9.5/10
    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...erhorn&n=Iacom

  13. #753

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iacom
    Rather nice gear, but I thought ArP was nerfed? 9.5/10
    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...erhorn&n=Iacom
    Rather nice gear, but I thought mutilate was nerfed... >.>

    ArP was nerfed, but it is still BiS for combat rogues.

    You have way too much hit, and not enough expertise. You have blue gems. You have WAY too much armor pen for mutilate to be any good, you should find a good slow mainhand and go combat. Bad shoulder enchant. Bad cloak enchant. Do you even try to be the best you can?

    6/10. Blue gems just show you don't care.

    edit: don't rate me, iv'e been rated enough.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Detheroc&n=Smacklepuff

  14. #754

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by panda911
    You have way too much hit, and not enough expertise.
    Blame itemisation. I am 11% overhitcapped too and there's no way I can reduce it.

  15. #755

  16. #756

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by panda911
    Rather nice gear, but I thought mutilate was nerfed... >.>

    ArP was nerfed, but it is still BiS for combat rogues.

    You have way too much hit, and not enough expertise. You have blue gems. You have WAY too much armor pen for mutilate to be any good, you should find a good slow mainhand and go combat. Bad shoulder enchant. Bad cloak enchant. Do you even try to be the best you can?

    6/10. Blue gems just show you don't care.

    edit: don't rate me, iv'e been rated enough.
    I has bad luck on the Hellscream Slicer. Never drops. Otherwise, I would go combat since I don't have another decent main hand.





    Quote Originally Posted by Supersmurfen
    And PvP gear. Gtfo.

  17. #757
    Deleted

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Above me there is no any rogue to rate =) so look below and start flame =)

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...81%D0%BF%D0%B1

  18. #758

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    your gear is solid but you should have 3 points in imp evis and 2 in ruthlessness

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...Nether&n=Omago

    and yes i know my trinkets suck

  19. #759

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by flounda
    your gear is solid but you should have 3 points in imp evis and 2 in ruthlessness

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...Nether&n=Omago

    and yes i know my trinkets suck
    Change gems and enchant in/on chest, put nightmare tear in your belt or pants.
    Upgrade gem in gloves, get new enchant for feet, put orange gem in them.
    Same goes for Ring.
    Pretty much overcapped on expertise, and I'm not quite sure whether it's actually worth it for you to spec into Evis yet. [Oh well, ToC is favoring Evis a lot though. *shrug*]



    Here's me, just got the Banner today so I was finally able to drop Grim Toll:
    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...r=Ysera&n=Voij

  20. #760

    Re: Rate The Rogue Above You.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voij
    Change gems and enchant in/on chest, put nightmare tear in your belt or pants.
    Upgrade gem in gloves, get new enchant for feet, put orange gem in them.
    Same goes for Ring.
    Pretty much overcapped on expertise, and I'm not quite sure whether it's actually worth it for you to spec into Evis yet. [Oh well, ToC is favoring Evis a lot though. *shrug*]



    Here's me, just got the Banner today so I was finally able to drop Grim Toll:
    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...r=Ysera&n=Voij
    Everything checks out, pretty jealous of the mainhand.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...Blade&n=Ryuker

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