RET 3.2: Glyph of CS or glyph of Consecration?

[BDF]

Which one saves more mana in our new FCFS rotation using seal of vengeance?

My character has yet to be copied to the ptr so I have not gotten to play around with it.

EDIT:
I'm in a small guild, we don't do 25 man raids, and pugging ulduar 25 on my server isn't viable right now.
How far behind am I gear wise to the average ulduar 25 man'er?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...+Peak&n=Bdftwo

[EndGame]

Don't worry about it now. It's a while until 3.2.

Bottom line though... We're broken in 3.2; if they don't fix us re-roll prot.

[arel00]

Don't worry about it now. It's a while until 3.2.

Bottom line though... We're broken in 3.2; if they don't fix us re-roll prot.

HAHAHAHAHA

Do you realize that 3.2 means a PvE dps *BUFF* for retribution paladins of roughly 15-18%?
Cry more please.

[Mutin]

Don't worry about it now. It's a while until 3.2.

Bottom line though... We're broken in 3.2; if they don't fix us re-roll prot.

Not like prot still is the weakest tank. (DKs wont receive half the nerfs written in the patchnotes)

[Woozz]

I'm probably crazy, but I feel like dropping the CS / Consecration glyph for Seal of Vengence Glyph.

We asked for a + expertise talent and now we got one! (Okay, it's not a 2 or 3 pts talent giving you the choice to put some pts in, but it's a +10 expertise anyway.)

So, actually I may be going for SoV / Judgment / Exo. (I may be dropping the Exo glylph to take CS or Consecration Glyph if we are manastarved. Probably the Consecration Glyph, to gain some free gcd over long combat, it me actually be a greater increase in dps than a +20% dmg on Exo.)

But yes, we are getting some nice buffs with 3.2. We may loose dps in low hp adds fight, where we wont be abble to get a really nice benefit from SoV. But anyway, we can use SoC for these types of encounter. A little less bursty, than SoB maybe, but it still ok.

[Ronark]

Which one saves more mana in our new FCFS rotation using seal of vengeance?

My character has yet to be copied to the ptr so I have not gotten to play around with it.

EDIT:
I'm in a small guild, we don't do 25 man raids, and pugging ulduar 25 on my server isn't viable right now.
How far behind am I gear wise to the average ulduar 25 man'er?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...+Peak&n=Bdftwo

Unglyphed CS:
CPM: 15
Mana Cost: 8% base mana
Mana cost/Minute: 120% base mana

Glyphed CS:
CPM: 15
Mana Cost: 6.4% bae mana
Mana Cost/Minute: 96% base mana

Difference: Gain of +24% base mana.

Unglyphed Cons:
CPM: 7
Mana Cost: 26% base mana
Mana cost/Minute: 182% base mana

Glyphed Cons:
CPM: 6
Mana Cost: 26% base mana
Mana Cost/Minute: 156% base mana

Difference: Gain of +26% base mana.

So ideally, Glyph of Cons. saves more mana, and also saves you from more CD clashing.

[amk]

HAHAHAHAHA

Do you realize that 3.2 means a PvE dps *BUFF* for retribution paladins of roughly 15-18%?
Cry more please.

While I'm doing my best not to make too many conclusions based on PTR, (since it's always changing) I would like to point out that very similar statements were made just prior to Ulduars release, and yet Ret DPS in PvE is still far behind that of DKs, Warriors, and Druids.

Given that Ret will no longer be bringing anything unique to a raid in 3.2 (unless you don't have a BM Hunter) to compensate for having subpar DPS, it mean Rets will be excluded from Hard Modes by any serious guild.

[Ronark]

While I'm doing my best not to make too many conclusions based on PTR, (since it's always changing) I would like to point out that very similar statements were made just prior to Ulduars release, and yet Ret DPS in PvE is still far behind that of DKs, Warriors, and Druids.

Given that Ret will no longer be bringing anything unique to a raid in 3.2 (unless you don't have a BM Hunter) to compensate for having subpar DPS, it mean Rets will be excluded from Hard Modes by any serious guild.

The area in DPS hwere Rets lacked (Single target) has been buffed via the new SoVeng.

[Vongimi]

While I'm doing my best not to make too many conclusions based on PTR, (since it's always changing) I would like to point out that very similar statements were made just prior to Ulduars release, and yet Ret DPS in PvE is still far behind that of DKs, Warriors, and Druids.

Given that Ret will no longer be bringing anything unique to a raid in 3.2 (unless you don't have a BM Hunter) to compensate for having subpar DPS, it mean Rets will be excluded from Hard Modes by any serious guild.

Judgement of wisdom/light?

[Hylig]

Judgement of wisdom/light?

Useless and nerfed, respectively. Besides which, prot and holy can apply them just fine.

[sah303136]

While I'm doing my best not to make too many conclusions based on PTR, (since it's always changing) I would like to point out that very similar statements were made just prior to Ulduars release, and yet Ret DPS in PvE is still far behind that of DKs, Warriors, and Druids.

Given that Ret will no longer be bringing anything unique to a raid in 3.2 (unless you don't have a BM Hunter) to compensate for having subpar DPS, it mean Rets will be excluded from Hard Modes by any serious guild.

someone missed the wotlk memo, no one brings anything unique

[Varaben]

our 3% dmg from aura is basically unique because noone is BM anymore. Also if you take aura mastery in 3.2 you can pop that during heroism for 3% more right? maybe?

[xenosque]

While I'm doing my best not to make too many conclusions based on PTR, (since it's always changing) I would like to point out that very similar statements were made just prior to Ulduars release, and yet Ret DPS in PvE is still far behind that of DKs, Warriors, and Druids.

Given that Ret will no longer be bringing anything unique to a raid in 3.2 (unless you don't have a BM Hunter) to compensate for having subpar DPS, it mean Rets will be excluded from Hard Modes by any serious guild.

LMFAOWROF! *GASP*.

ok now that im done laughing at your post i wonder if u been looking up some of the guilds that have been doing hard modes and such cuase if u had u would know that warriors and druids are not pumping nearly as much dps as ret(excluding feral that does near the same dps as rogues but still a bit behind) and they are on equal ground with DK's.

on the actual topic i personally would go with HoW glyph now that SoB(im horde) has been removed due to fact that in most boss fights u will get another AW to pop towards the end and reducing the cd of HoW with the 20% damage increase of AW adds a nice amount of dps on the last stretch

also im offended that u mentioned BM hunters for some reason in your post cuase imo BM is just bad and should be forgotten until it gets some changes, but i would be happy to see some data on how BM works into your eaquation about ret pallies

[shiftynou]

He was referring to the 3% damage buff that both offer to the raid.

[Dragonfiregum1]

HAHAHAHAHA

Do you realize that 3.2 means a PvE dps *BUFF* for retribution paladins of roughly 15-18%?
Cry more please.

Go test on a heroic dummy without 30 other people putting up buffs on it and tell me your dmg is the same as live. Thanks. 15-18% my ass.

[xenosque]

Go test on a heroic dummy without 30 other people putting up buffs on it and tell me your dmg is the same as live. Thanks. 15-18% my ass.

lol dummies

[Mysmere]

lol dummies

i see what you did there.

[Maneken]

The area in DPS hwere Rets lacked (Single target) has been buffed via the new SoVeng.

Agree about pve single target dps.
I tested on ptr and mine dps is around 20% better then on live server(even dont have gems on my ptr gear).
But few other problems, our aoe dps and dps on trahs mobs will be significly lower, we will also spend more mana(cs lower cd, no more glyph of blod) and get less mana back.
Biggest problem was on ptr when you wanted to use constantly consecration, your mana is draining fast.

[Krekko]

Okay really, another thread?
Wait why the hell am I surprised? Do i honestly expect people to post in an already existing thread about the same exact topic HAH!

[Ronark]

our 3% dmg from aura is basically unique because noone is BM anymore. Also if you take aura mastery in 3.2 you can pop that during heroism for 3% more right? maybe?

Aura Mastery only affects the base components of the Aura.... I.E. Extra Armor, Extra Damage dealt per hit taken, Extra Resistances, Silence/Interrupt immunity, and Faster mount speed.

Okay really, another thread?
Wait why the hell am I surprised? Do i honestly expect people to post in an already existing thread about the same exact topic HAH!

Moar topicz = Moar postz DUH!