How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

[Nezoia]

Shadow has the Ability to Tab-dot semi effectively, not as good as afflic, but still good.

Hint: Nobody play affliction in highend PvE anymore.

Lets assume everyone in the raid is perfect, their gear is all Best in slot, shadow priests are close, if not last on straightforward fights.

Single target dps fights like Ignis could not be more irrelevant, if you want to be top dps on Patchwerk/Ignis, fucking reroll already.

Some of us others got enough intelligence to see beyond those fights.

If a player is good enough, they wont be taking damage in the first place, atleast damage that would be fatal, thus most of the survivability is useless to a skilled player.

RNG disagrees with you as usual, your idea about game mechanics is stunningly terrible.

Appreciated if you stop calling me bad, Im quite certain i am as perfect as any Ensida, Method, Etc guild member.

No, you're not. You're a terrible player that gets carried by his guild. You even admit that yourself. Just fucking reroll already you pathetic loser, and stop posing shit on these forums.

[Nezoia]

Great performance. Depending on how well I can keep the cloud buff on my I've seen dps spike to over 10k (thats all in how lucky you are with the buff however). However, I pull about the same on hodir hard and get completely dusted by locks and our really competent boomkin. Our mage is baddie though and is never where he should be.

The only time I outdps classes that I shouldn't (mages/boomkins/locks/hunters) is if they aren't playing their class to perfection. I wouldn't call SPriest DPS amazing overall though. It's fairly mediocre assuming everyone is playing their class perfectly.

But we're as much affected by the RNG and threat cap as they are. Which a fight like Hodir obviously benefit classes who normally do high crits due to the mechanics of the Storm Power debuff, I still think we're doing quite strong considering our insane survivability and the utility buffs we bring to our raid.

What I mean by this is I think our dps is very suitable, and buffing it would be a major result of drama about hybrids being superior to other classes. It should by obvious by now we're not necessary top dps in any encounter, but it's still very common for the shadowpriests to position themselves in top #5 on Mimiron Hardmode.

So if druids win dps on Ignis/XT, and we win dps on Mimiron and Yogg-Saron, how is that not fair?

[Exidius]

SP performs very well, atleast they aint as op in pve as in random pvp. hi, i look so hard on you, that you drop your weapon, nuff said.

Dude, you really have l2p issues, if you are struggling killing spriest's...

"Nuff said"!!!

[Sefa]

as for the utility i would like to see them rly....
ve is only for us....partywide healing is lol...even with imp
replenish is up from load of class
misery? druid do the same if they want...and anyway ( utility wise ) no more than one should be required.
I don't see our utility so strong rly....i see that our raiding poistion is there for our awesome dps in alot of situation.

As for dps...pretty mutch what everyone told already....
we fall behind on skilled and nearly same geared "pure" class on singletarget encounter without any movement ( there are any in ulduar ? ... if u're looking at ignis well....a optional boss that is just a joke to kill ? who care if i do less damage there....anyway boss is going down even if half raid go there nacked....i want my dps high on real situation, where high dps care something...i don't need to show my e-peen with 129000k dps on a fight that almost no one care )... wile we are sooooo strong on multitarget, ae and movement fight ( at least 70% of ulduar, if not more )....

If a player is good enough, they wont be taking damage in the first place, atleast damage that would be fatal, thus most of the survivability is useless to a skilled player.

thig are two:

or you need to go out to naxx and start raiding something more "serious" or u're just pathetic rly.....chose what you prefer

with this you can only meean that u're a bad player then... ( no algalon kill, and missing alot of hardmode )

Appreciated if you stop calling me bad, Im quite certain i am as perfect as any Ensida, Method, Etc guild member.

you are telling u're not good enought and then you ask to ppl to stop calling you bad ?

[Strykzor]

Single target dps fights like Ignis could not be more irrelevant, if you want to be top dps on Patchwerk/Ignis, fucking reroll already.

Is it relevent that Rogues are one of the best Single target DPS classes, yet has an extremely op AoE too?
Not to mention they kick, stun, vanish, cloak, evasion, sprint, misdirect.

Some of us others got enough intelligence to see beyond those fights.

Fights Spriest perform well at.
Kologarn, Mindsear
Mimiron, Tab Dotting and Mindsear
XT, Tab Dotting, Mindsear
Thorim, Mindsear
Yogg Saron, Useless tab dotting

Almost like we have to Mindsear JUST so our dps is competitive.

RNG disagrees with you as usual, your idea about game mechanics is stunningly terrible.

So what your saying is everyone reroll spriest because no other class can survive?
Only reason someone dies is if they stuff up, or they dont get healed or the tank fails.

No, you're not. You're a terrible player that gets carried by his guild. You even admit that yourself. Just fucking reroll already you pathetic loser, and stop posing shit on these forums.

So quick to jump to insults, just be bad and move along, you could never hope to be as good as I am.

If a player is good enough, they wont be taking damage in the first place, atleast damage that would be fatal, thus most of the survivability is useless to a skilled player.

thig are two:

or you need to go out to naxx and start raiding something more "serious" or u're just pathetic rly.....chose what you prefer

with this you can only meean that u're a bad player then... ( no algalon kill, and missing alot of hardmode )

Appreciated if you stop calling me bad, Im quite certain i am as perfect as any Ensida, Method, Etc guild member.

you are telling u're not good enought and then you ask to ppl to stop calling you bad ?

I would appreciate if you understood the English language before you try and comprehend what I am saying, get lost minority.

Edit2: Check out This DPS http://img36.imageshack.us/i/awesome...ionpriest.jpg/

[Sefa]

good player don't take damage that will lead to they're dead ( you told that )

i'm a good player ( u told that too )

i fail to finish the game ( is it your guild that fail then ? ...and u're the perfect one there ? )

now....i can have some english issue...i'm sure of that.....
but i think that this is what we can read from your post.....

btw...mimiron mind sear?
stop being bad....you use sear only during p3
sear is a dps loss if you need to hit less than 3/4 target compared to mb+mf...multidot and focusnuke the higher hp part

thorim you are using mindsear? and your dps are high in arena even with the -75% cast time debuff ? tell your melee to stop slacking and start using mind control...i can't even compare my dps ( the few time i stay in arena ) with dk, rogue or retri there.

ow...no multidot on freya ( where it rly could care ) ?

hodir is a mage fight...but i fail to see hwo we fall behind all the other class here?...rly..i'm normaly on the first 10 position ( rly depend how mutch i'm luky with storm power )

[Strykzor]

good player don't take damage that will lead to they're dead ( you told that )

i'm a good player ( u told that too )

i fail to finish the game ( is it your guild that fail then ? ...and u're the perfect one there ? )

now....i can have some english issue...i'm sure of that.....
but i think that this is what we can read from your post.....

btw...mimiron mind sear?
stop being bad....you use sear only during p3
sear is a dps loss if you need to hit less than 3/4 target compared to mb+mf...multidot and focusnuke the higher hp part

thorim you are using mindsear? and your dps are high in arena even with the -75% cast time debuff ? tell your melee to stop slacking and start using mind control...i can't even compare my dps ( the few time i stay in arena ) with dk, rogue or retri there.

ow...no multidot on freya ( where it rly could care ) ?

hodir is a mage fight...but i fail to see hwo we fall behind all the other class here?...rly..i'm normaly on the first 10 position ( rly depend how mutch i'm luky with storm power )

Mimiron - Yes Mindsear plays a much smaller part compared to Multidot and Nuking, but still, it does.
Thorim - I dont stand with the group during arena, Ive got Fade and Dispersion + tanks can taunt.
Freya - Multi dot is okay for the 3 adds, but if u put too much effort into that you could end up killing the add before it was meant to be, Mindsear for lashers is good once everyone groups up.

Hodir aint worth discussing, to many buffs that are RNG.

[Pheonixis]

Appreciated if you stop calling me bad, Im quite certain i am as perfect as any Ensida, Method, Etc guild member.

God complex. I don't care whether you do 400k dps on Yogg, or 90% of the healing, as soon as you start insulting people or making others feel bad, as soon as that happens you're a bad player. Comprendre?

[Abandon]

Strykzor is not really worth responding to, if he wants to whine and gripe that Shadowpriests are terrible and that he is able to do amazing things with them only because of his massive amount of skill, them let him.

Most other people know how to play and can tell that this navel-gazing of his is just to get attention for being oh so talented at playing a "broken" spec.

[Nezoia]

We should officially promote Strykzor to priest-board clown. It's him against the world. I wonder when his guild get tired of carrying him (again!)

[Pheonixis]

We should officially promote Strykzor to priest-board clown. It's him against the world. I wonder when his guild get tired of carrying him (again!)

Degrading. Just because you think he's a clown, does that give you the right to mkae things up about someone you don't know? Play nice.

[Funkbucket]

I hate 10man raiding with my SP i always drop below the other
well, they are way better geared, but i seem to do alot better on the charts with 25s

[Worshaka]

Yes, shadow priest is awesome for raids, and do amazing dps on a lot of encounters. We're super strong in hard-modes due to our almost godlike ability to stay alive (shields and VE is underrated in general).

As Ulduar offers many multi-target fights with a lot of movement, we'll often be among the top dps classes, and sometimes even in the top (Mimiron comes to mind.)

Here is a example from Hodir 10man, the colours denote the different classes.

You have to admit that Hodir data is going to be the most corrupt dps data you can find... it's highly conditional on what buffs you manage to get which to a large extent boils down to RNG. Sure you can maximise your luck in getting those buffs but i'm not sure posting Hodir data is a good way to prove spriest dps is competitive.

However, I do agree it is competitive but don't expect it to be competitive for every single encounter. There are some encounters which favour some classes a lot better and there are some encounters which favour spriests better. Not that I care but you're going to see rogues and feral druids completely destroy you on XT or Ignis but you get to make some back on Yogg-Saron & General.

Lastly I think people get caught up in dps meters far too much. If you clear content and were a contributing member to the raid your numbers take care of themselves. 90% of the time the best dps players are those who didn't die rather than those who topped the charts.

[Ani]

I have to agree, and say Shadow Priests need a DPS boost.

I have more 226 gear than 213 - 219 and a 232 weapon and my DPS is in the bottom 20% of our 25 man raids, consistently.

I could say that most of the guild is better geared than I am, but the difference is HUGE.

I really wish the developers would redesign some of the dps mechanics of the class to bring them more in line with locks at the very least.

[Nezoia]

I did, but it just happened to be the example I had on hand. And the RNG applies to all the other classes as well. I could get you a post from Mimiron Hardmode as well, with me doing 1000 dps more than the mages in the group.

And then I could get a screenshot of a druid doing 3000 dps more than me on Ignis. Comparing dps is in general totally impossible because it depends on RNG, fight mechanics, gear and raid composition.

So to clarify, for the 5th time: The image was simply to show that we're not a BAD dps class.

Degrading. Just because you think he's a clown, does that give you the right to mkae things up about someone you don't know? Play nice.

According to himself, his dps is so bad he shouldn't be allowed into a raid instance. So that must mean he gets carried, yes?

[Nezoia]

I have to agree, and say Shadow Priests need a DPS boost.

I have more 226 gear than 213 - 219 and a 232 weapon and my DPS is in the bottom 20% of our 25 man raids, consistently.

I could say that most of the guild is better geared than I am, but the difference is HUGE.

I really wish the developers would redesign some of the dps mechanics of the class to bring them more in line with locks at the very least.

Mimiron Hardmode, Ensidia, the only public WWS log of theirs so far: http://mackzter.is-a-god.com/sws-mim...60/#damage_out (yes, that's their world first kill of Firefighter)

See the top dps? A SHADOW PRIEST, OH MY GOD, CALL THE POLICE, THAT CANNOT BE RIGHT! And oh wait, 3 out of 5 in top #5, is SHADOW PRIESTS !

So really, if we're the BEST POSSIBLE DPS CLASS for the HARDEST AVAILABLE FIGHT, why the fuck does it matter if we do fuck all dps on any other encounter? Really, who cares about highest dps on farm-mode bosses? WHO? Strykzor perhaps, but anyone in their right mind would only care about the necessary damage output for the hardest fights available, and in this case, OUR CLASS is the WINNER.

[[-Spiritus-]]

Strykzor is not really worth responding to, if he wants to whine and gripe that Shadowpriests are terrible and that he is able to do amazing things with them only because of his massive amount of skill, them let him.

Most other people know how to play and can tell that this navel-gazing of his is just to get attention for being oh so talented at playing a "broken" spec.

This. Its my fault really for opening up this can of worms. For that I apologize.

[Taryon]

Thanks for the replies.

Could be without the hostility in the thread, people can have their own opinion without attacking each other.

I guess Shadow Priest is at a good spot now, they have changed alot since Burning Crusade.

[Direshadow]

We're fine. Not exactly above and beyond some hunter or warlock or even mage DPS.

BUT

We also provide damage mitigation with VE, replenishment, and extra healing if the group needs it. Having our Hymns on hand during a tough moment within a fight is very nice.

[basfish]

I agree with a lot of points that Strykzor has brought up, and am ashamed of the negativity that the other posters of this thread have brought into the discussion, including Nezoia.

That being said, I've been playing shadow for a long time now, and it's my impression that SPriests can beat crappy players of other classes, but constantly fall behind skilled players of other classes. Our utility is usually already in the raid in one form or another, the only one you might be missing is misery, but balance druids do more damage anyway.

And as for survivability? Warlocks make better ranged soakers on iron council hard mode, anyway. Demon Armor & Nether Protection are way better than everything Shadow has.

I'd like to dare you to refrain from flaming Strykzor (and probably myself as well) and come up with a competent counter-argument so we can have a real discussion.