From Stars: Yogg-Saron +0 Strategy

[nobanme]

First of all BIG gratz to u guys....and second BIG thanks for the strategy

Correct me if i am wrong....u got the Mimiron hard first...and the Yogg hard first right?

They did it in the shortest time from patch release to kill.

This doesn't mean thay can claim world first though. Heres the situation -

US gets patched first.
EU gets patched up to 24 hours later.
Taiwan gets patched up to 1 week later.

US gets the early start.
EU has to wait.
Taiwan has to wait, but gets a little information on boss strategies before they start the encounters.

Thats the situation, and its not really worth the debates and arguments who can legitimately claim world firsts, because it would end up something like this -

US Player - We have to go into boss fights with zero tactics and zero guides published.
EU Player - We have to go into boss fights with zero tactics and zero guides published, and US gets a 24 hour head start
Taiwan Player - EU/US get 1 week advantage, but we have enough information from EU/US players to get some information before we start the encounters.

[Choda]

Thats the situation, and its not really worth the debates and arguments who can legitimately claim world firsts, because it would end up something like this -

US Player - We have to go into boss fights with zero tactics and zero guides published.
EU Player - We have to go into boss fights with zero tactics and zero guides published, and US gets a 24 hour head start
Taiwan Player - EU/US get 1 week advantage, but we have enough information from EU/US players to get some information before we start the encounters.

Plus it's retarded.

[digmouse]

They did it in the shortest time from patch release to kill.

This doesn't mean thay can claim world first though. Heres the situation -

US gets patched first.
EU gets patched up to 24 hours later.
Taiwan gets patched up to 1 week later.

US gets the early start.
EU has to wait.
Taiwan has to wait, but gets a little information on boss strategies before they start the encounters.

Thats the situation, and its not really worth the debates and arguments who can legitimately claim world firsts, because it would end up something like this -

US Player - We have to go into boss fights with zero tactics and zero guides published.
EU Player - We have to go into boss fights with zero tactics and zero guides published, and US gets a 24 hour head start
Taiwan Player - EU/US get 1 week advantage, but we have enough information from EU/US players to get some information before we start the encounters.

But you have to admit that on Yogg +0, everyone is on the same starting line, and a week's delay means they lack a week of gear improvement

[bujaberry]

But you have to admit that on Yogg +0, everyone is on the same starting line, and a week's delay means they lack a week of gear improvement

A week of gear improvement in an INSANE dps/tank/heal check fight is a LOOOOOOOOOOOT. Stars already said this is by far the hardest fight they've ever encountered. Not to mention the encounter was deemed impossible in terms of gear available.

[Choda]

You can't really look at it that way. Maybe they missed a week's worth of raids, maybe a week they had no luck with loot and no improvements...

You people are just looking for an excuse to stir up drama.

[nobanme]

But you have to admit that on Yogg +0, everyone is on the same starting line, and a week's delay means they lack a week of gear improvement

They got World First on Yogg 0, even with a week delay.

I am not saying anything otherwise, the point is that you can't claim a World First kill if you are a week behind to get patched but do it in the shortest time, because there's outside influences that give you a slight advantage (like knowing some kind of tactic before you start the fight) that make it an unfair way to measure world firsts.

I also said its not worth debating because of the various points made.

Its better to just simply state the facts.

US gets patched first.
EU gets patched 24 up to 24 hours later.
Taiwan gets patched up to 1 week later.

As far as Yogg 0 goes, Stars got World first kill even though they had a 1 week deficit to overcome.

Gz them

[bujaberry]

They got World First on Yogg 0, even with a week delay.

I am not saying anything otherwise, the point is that you can't claim a World First kill if you are a week behind to get patched but do it in the shortest time, because there's outside influences that give you a slight advantage (like knowing some kind of tactic before you start the fight) that make it an unfair way to measure world firsts.

I also said its not worth debating because of the various points made.

Its better to just simply state the facts.

US gets patched first.
EU gets patched 24 up to 24 hours later.
Taiwan gets patched up to 1 week later.

As far as Yogg 0 goes, Stars got World first kill even though they had a 1 week deficit to overcome.

Gz them

i wonder how long it'll take ensidia and others to clear it now, after asia proved it being doable.

[nobanme]

i wonder how long it'll take ensidia and others to clear it now, after asia proved it being doable.

Probably 2-3 weeks now that a strategy has formed, but its largely determined by how many guilds can get the correct number of warlocks and tanks and hunters who are skilled enough to do this.

I would say that getting this specialised setup and putting the time in to make the kill isn't going to be a very enjoyable experience, with only a handful of guilds being able to even make some decent attempts

For horde, once Ensidia get the players, that leaves almost 0 players for any other top 10 horde guilds to have a stab at it.

Same for alliance and Method, once they find the players to join their rosters, that leaves almost 0 players for any other top 10 alliance guilds to attempt it.

Sucks, but that seems to be the situation atm.

[Phyrion]

i wonder how long it'll take ensidia and others to clear it now, after asia proved it being doable.

Doesn't matter anymore, but I believe that Ensidia will have it down by the end of next reset.

And wow @ those tactics. That's some insane stuff. Call me impressed.

[Mysmere]

Probably 2-3 weeks now that a strategy has formed, but its largely determined by how many guilds can get the correct number of warlocks and tanks and hunters who are skilled enough to do this.

I would say that getting this specialised setup and putting the time in to make the kill isn't going to be a very enjoyable experience, with only a handful of guilds being able to even make some decent attempts

For horde, once Ensidia get the players, that leaves almost 0 players for any other top 10 horde guilds to have a stab at it.

Same for alliance and Method, once they find the players to join their rosters, that leaves almost 0 players for any other top 10 alliance guilds to attempt it.

Sucks, but that seems to be the situation atm.

what makes you think that with millions of players only 100 are able to hit "3" at the right time? or to coordinate that while doing like... 2 or 3 other things total..

number chosen to show simplicity...

[Huggykaze]

Serious gratz to you guys, great job, never thought guild outside EU/US will do something like that, but I see your capable of more things than farmin^^ j/k ofc. What more can I say, go go for more world 1st^^ Be Nihilum of WLK

[Altariaz]

Gratz Stars!

[Deleted]

Very impressive there.

*Tip of the hat.

[Zka]

what makes you think that with millions of players only 100 are able to hit "3" at the right time? or to coordinate that while doing like... 2 or 3 other things total..

number chosen to show simplicity...

Yes, YS+0 is really THAT simple, that's why everyone and their dog is farming it since Ulduar came out.
How stupid some people can get, seriously.

Also I love how everyone is so fucking pro on the forums, yet the game is chock full of retards.

[mmocfd1b0ab5a3]

So it's Starts > Ensidia > Method now. And lol @ppl who think wotlk is easy.

[Zandrai]

It's by far the most impressive thing i've ever seen since release of this game. And i would really like to see the faces of the guys at EJ who claimed this to be impossible. Wow.. just wow.

Hat off

[majestic]

Yes, YS+0 is really THAT simple, that's why everyone and their dog is farming it since Ulduar came out.
How stupid some people can get, seriously.

Also I love how everyone is so fucking pro on the forums, yet the game is chock full of retards.

wow way to miss his fucking point and call him a bunch of names well done sir well done.

Let me explain it for you, he was saying that its unfair and unrealistic to say that once the top horde guild takes "10 players" and the top alliance guild takes "10 players" to fill the req's for this fight, that there will be no other players left with the skill to complete this fight.......out of the 10 million+ that play wow.

Again Well done sir on the reading comprehension.

[bujaberry]

i would really like to see the faces of the guys at EJ who claimed this to be impossible. Wow.. just wow.

made me smile.

big up for asia!

[cyqu]

It's by far the most impressive thing i've ever seen since release of this game. And i would really like to see the faces of the guys at EJ who claimed this to be impossible. Wow.. just wow.

Hat off

only really possible with that hunter idea they used, absolutely amazing idea, and those hunter have to be fucking pro and have ninja like reflexes to get 2-3 adds ds'ed in under 5 seconds or so.

the strat itself is so well thought up, im extremely impressed. good job stars

[nobanme]

what makes you think that with millions of players only 100 are able to hit "3" at the right time? or to coordinate that while doing like... 2 or 3 other things total..

number chosen to show simplicity...

Because i know alot of the hunters and tanks in the world top 20 guilds to chat to (and have played with many).
And i know that only a handful of players exist that could come together and complete the fight.

Ive also seen you post on the forums here before, saying you could top dps meters in pvp gear.

You were wrong then, and you are wrong now.

Majority of players find 1 keeper hard, and the top (10) guilds one shoot it without anyone dieing its so simple.
The step up from 1 keeper to 0 keeper is huge.

Even the proest of pro players (which are infinately better than you could imagine), would say that 0 keeper isnt worth trying (and i have recently been in a top 15 guild where they wouldnt even bother to try it).

If you think its all about hitting dps buttons and finding the correct adds, its not even worth wasting time posting replies to you, in fact i dont know why i did.