Shadow priest dps

[Worshaka]

Can't argue with what you said too much... personally I haven't experienced my dps or any spriest dps in the raid as being a drawback. Admitadly our guild performed poorly for the Uld teir of content and we didn't see as many hard modes as we probably should.

I would say that spriests are highly dependant on raid buffs, much more so than any other class i've played. Just for example my spriest will do around 3.5K solo dps on a target dummy, yet my very poorly geared feral druid can do 3K... and when I say poorly geared I mean using tanking items as dps items for several slots and still in blues or Naxx10 epics... my spriest is pretty much in the best gear I had access to which was the first 3 hard modes of Uld and all hard mode Uld10 (except Algalon).

[Kirkis]

@Kirkis:

#1 Yes, because if I multi-dotted the other adds, they would simply, die to fast. Compared to the Snaplasher that is. It's easier for me NOT to multi-dot, than it is to tell our melee to stop doing damage.

#2 Again, if we have all casters focus on the head only, melee takes care of the rest pretty much. It would be pointless meter-whoring to multi-dot in P4, as the real effect on damage is marginal they way we do the encounter.

#3 Maby our mages just don't suck, considered that instead?-) The shadowpriests isn't bottom dps, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that other classes benefit more, and the general itemization makes the haste worth less than it should. But lets all be headless chickens refusing to believe anything could ever possible be wrong. Ignorance is bliss.

#4 I'm not saying we're underperforming, far from. I'm merely saying that some strategies, including ours, makes shadowpriests as a class stand out much less. I would much enjoy having a higher coefficient on Mind Flay, and a lower damage on VT and SW:P.

That would also make haste be more equally in worth, compared to other casters, such as warlocks.

Still, I don't get the hostility in towards me relying my personal raid experience, rather than theory-crafting from a simulator. I've seen many different strategies, which each boosted different types of damage/classes. Why do everybody suddenly think there's only one way of doing things?

I still don't see why you're so much against having multi-dots. No, the adds on freya doesnt die because I put on a swp and vt, we have sick dps on the lasher, and we have sick dps on the other adds. It's not about meter-whoring, it's about smoothing out the process. Sure, I could stop multi-dotting the adds and we would still get it, and it would still be very very easy when thinking about the level my guild are on, but it still doesn't change that it smoothens stuff out.
Same goes for Mimiron. If one part is on a higher percentage than say, the head, then it's just called on vent that we need to damage that part. Multi-dotting here helps getting all targets low fast, and it has never proved a problem.
And I must again tell you, that our mages really do not suck. It would be a shame to be so high on the world progress ladder and then have mages who didn't have a clue.

Also I must stress out it has nothing to do with YOU, but it's your blindingly faith in some simulator, that tells you that multi-dotting is bad because everything dies outsynced. But again I'm reminding you, tru cutting out MB on vezax. And see what you get. I have't personally been top dps yet, because another SP outperforms me, is more lucky or something.

[syanid]

On vezax a sp should flay > blast > swp the target but that's not the topic. Yes, we lack some "love" in single target department. I can't go higher than 6k dps on normal fights without gimped stuff like hodir and company while locks can blow things up for a lot more.

Making SW refresh our Mind Blast would increase our dps quite a bit or letting dots tick every 3 sec - haste % we got, but the latter would probably clog the server and is hard to implement (plus, god knows how good we'd become if dots scaled with haste).

However, seeing that mages are also behind locks and both are pure dpsers and blizzard doesn't believe mages need a buff - I doubt we'll get one.

On the other hand, there's always been an instance where we could MC a mob and use it on a boss fight

[Kirkis]

On vezax a sp should flay > blast > swp the target but that's not the topic. Yes, we lack some "love" in single target department. I can't go higher than 6k dps on normal fights without gimped stuff like hodir and company while locks can blow things up for a lot more.

Making SW refresh our Mind Blast would increase our dps quite a bit or letting dots tick every 3 sec - haste % we got, but the latter would probably clog the server and is hard to implement (plus, god knows how good we'd become if dots scaled with haste).

However, seeing that mages are also behind locks and both are pure dpsers and blizzard doesn't believe mages need a buff - I doubt we'll get one.

On the other hand, there's always been an instance where we could MC a mob and use it on a boss fight

Try cut out the blast. the 1 sec it takes for mf makes it much more worthwhile than MB on that fight.

[Greid]

I don't love the current state but i attribute it more towards jealousy than true anger. I have worked hard to optimize my Spriest and done everything to make the stats line up to practicing for a LONG time getting the rotation almost perfect. (My dot uptime is always over 95% with 300ms latency and MB casted around every 8 seconds (not perfect)). However, even with all this as I'm going through my rotation im watching the destro lock in t7 gear casting 3 spells and keeping up with me.

Shadow priests take the most skill/UI to master and that should really be why you play the game. If you arent losing a raid spot and you can optimize your play-style to fit the encounter and the group then you can dps very well.

People from top guilds will always have shadow priests doing decent damage. You will say that if these same people rolled an affliction lock they would be even higher, but that isnt the argument. The argument is over the fact that the average Spriest isnt going to be optimizing their class and therefore falling behind regardless of their gear.

Blizz wont fix something that isnt broken in their eyes, and it isnt broken because very good players are the ones that test things out for them. Shadow is a fun spec to play because it is difficult and rewards good play. (this may not show on recount cause that hunter who just locks in their rotation and autoattacks/pet do 50% of their damage will pass you) I would like a small single target buff, but it isnt going to happen because it isnt a problem to be a hybrid class and therefore behind pures even if youre really good and theyre mediocre.

[beanfinnalblow]

i dont know what u guys are talking about i do 4k-4.5k and i top the damage/DPS meter everyrun

[Requu]

i dont know what u guys are talking about i do 4k-4.5k and i top the damage/DPS meter everyrun

topping dps meters with 4 to 4.5k dps is kind of.. not fail for you, but fail vor everyone else in this raid

[Lostprophet]

The problem with multidotting is, while we are putting DoTs on ,we cant do dmg to our primary target (head on mimi, snap on Freya). Atleast if u wipe after Enrage with 4% left on head and the rest were down u wont multidot on the next attempt:P Caster cant do alot dmg on mimi p4 due of alle the moving while melees can dps 95% on the fight

But T9 2er bonus favors multidotting;>

[Weena]

From my point of view shadowpriests are 'alright' at there current state. Our AOE dps is very good, if not one of the best, and when we get to multi-dot our dps also is very good. The only thing that gives people the impression that shadow priests are the worst dps class is single target dps fights, such as XT; here our dps is low because as many people know shadowpriests are the lowest single target dps class. Personally a minor dps increase on a single target spell like MF/MB to bring us up a bit to other hybirds would be good, but not needed, since both our tab target and aoe dps is very good.

Also as said before our guild also only takes the one shadowpriest to algalon 25 only to eat big bangs, on that fight i do around 5k or so +/- 500 and to be honest its well behind out rogues/druids/locks doing 7k+, call me bad but if algalon is any measure or single target dps a shadowpriest is well behind other classes.

[Sharaki]

A slight upgrade of the single-target dps, would make us more viable in encounters like Algalon, but also for Freya, Hodir and Yogg-Saron. A problem I've highlighted before is that our Mind Flay damage is to locked to SW:P, and it's not smart to put up SW:P to do two MFs and then the target is dead, and simply not maintainable either in terms of mana, as the nerfed replenishment also hit our mana pool.

Kinda same thing which has been bothering me, that flay loses lots of damage when used on fastkill targets. That was actually mentioned at priest Q&A, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Fourth, the issue that we think is most problematic is found in the Shadow talents. Many of them say basically “while your DoTs are ticking.” This means in situations where the DoTs can’t tick (say those very short PvE fights, or sometimes in PvP) you are doubly punished since now those talents aren’t pulling their weight. The Shadow tree could benefit from more talents that affect all damage and not just the DoTs.

[Abandon]

Well, according to the news on the front page, apparently the Mind Flay glyph being required for everyone is Working as Intended and the short range is made up for by other things, like our DoTs ticking. Of course, other classes with DoTs don't have to worry about that, because they don't have any main nukes that are 20 yard range, but let's ignore that for now.

[Nezoia]

Yeah, I face-palmed hard when I read the front page.

It's ridiculous, as Mind Flay does 35-40% of our total damage. Direct casting is what.. around 50% in total? (MF + Imp. DP + MB).

Our DoTs are rather week, on encounters where you have to move a slightly, such as Algalon, warlocks still remains superior. Not to mention their spellpower grain from spirit is lame compared to ours, why couldn't we gain so much from a base-stat that so much belongs to priest as a class?

[Freyros]

Shadowpriest is a bastard child of the healing class. Blizzard's complete lack of ideas concerning our spec just proves that. Well, at least our "rotation" is more interresting than the one of the mages (e.g).

[Sinistered]

Tell me smth.When will you learn that you are not a pure dps class?Be respective with your dps which is quite good.You know mages,hunters,locks,rogues will forever outdps you and this is the right thing.If you want to top the dps meters just go reroll a pure dps class and stop qqing for nonsense pls

[Kelesti]

Tell me smth.When will you learn that you are not a pure dps class?Be respective with your dps which is quite good.You know mages,hunters,locks,rogues will forever outdps you and this is the right thing.If you want to top the dps meters just go reroll a pure dps class and stop qqing for nonsense pls

Tell me something. When will you learn that an Elemental Shaman and Balance Druid don't seem to have the same "hybrid tax" that Shadow has, and that mages right now as a pure class suffer on a few fights as well?

Or tell me something else, when will you get out of the priest forums if you have nothing to contribute?

[Deleted]

Tell me smth.When will you learn that you are not a pure dps class?Be respective with your dps which is quite good.You know mages,hunters,locks,rogues will forever outdps you and this is the right thing.If you want to top the dps meters just go reroll a pure dps class and stop qqing for nonsense pls

"Bring the player, not the class"

[Greid]

Last post says it, I have nothing wrong with doing a little less dps than pures, numbers dont kill bosses, but theres an issue in that all hybrid dps builds do not stack.

Elemental shamans are almost always brought for wrath as the mages and locks need it to top the meters

balance druids for the same reason

feral druids/fury warrior for melee buff

ret paladins for blessings (dont need more than one)

and lastly, shadow priests literally have no utility beyond VE...yeah, VE isnt even close to mandatory as GC said.

I have recently been sat from my algalon25 guild because they picked up a pure dps class that can push more dps than me solely based on class.

I dont mean to QQ entirely, its not a huge deal that were not top...but we need something, any kind of unique raid buff is really all im asking for. there is a hybrid tax and it isnt just felt by SP's, but those others all have some kind of buff going for them, we get misery, so were basically half-a-boomkin

[Pheonixis]

Tell me something. When will you learn that an Elemental Shaman and Balance Druid don't seem to have the same "hybrid tax" that Shadow has, and that mages right now as a pure class suffer on a few fights as well?

Or tell me something else, when will you get out of the priest forums if you have nothing to contribute?

Then tell me something. How come during every Yogg attempt and kill my guild has had the past weeks, a shadow priest has always been on top of the dps?

However, I don't really care about dps, and I don't see a reason that others should either. The "haha I'm better than you"? So long you kill the boss, so long no class is overpowered to the extent that it trivializes an encounter, I see no reason to complain even if I'm not on top of the meter. But then again, I do play as a disc priest, and when you do you have to get used to not seeing big numbers :P

[Sinistered]

Kelesti as about elemental shamies you have a point there.I totally agree with that.The same thing happens with dks as well.I didnt say that that this game is tottaly balanced but some things have a point of being like that. As for the second i was not talinkg offensively.
But you know,you remind me the typical children that if someone says something about their game character they will instantly defend it by blaming the other...If your priest is your half life its not my problem...

[richay]

Posted these numbers on spriest.com earlier.

It is the dps to boss only(no cleaves aoe etc) on the new tank and spank fight jarax. You can quite clearly see how bad we are behind. At least 1k against ALL classes, most 1.5k.

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/clazz/dtb/all/8/0/3

I'll give you a quick run down:
Mage: 9.3k dps (spell steal buff so higher)
Rogue: 8.1k dps for combat, a few higher with sub.
Feral: 7.8k dps
Warlock: 7.6k dps
Warrior: 7.5k dps
Hunter: 7.5 dps
DK: 7.5k dps
Ret: 7.5k dps
Shaman: 7k dps
Priest: 6k dps

Shamans are a bit behind the rest but at least they are still fairly high and actually bring buffS to the raid too. We are just not and bring next to nothing.