1. #3021

    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchyli
    I won't pass up on free advice on how i can improve so.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ilas&cn=Zazara
    - Change the gem in your ashen ring to pure strength
    - Your spec is weird, I mean why Divinity? Take out the 4 points in it and the 2 points in Vindication and go for Aura Mastery (Ignore this if you are the one bringing the AP reduction debuff)
    - You are under the hitcap, you should probably change one of your str+crit gems to str+hit gem (I could be wrong here since the you are only 0.19 under the cap)

  2. #3022
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    Previous in old school gear.

    Im only keeping Mark of Supremacy untill I get heroic claymore and hopefully deaths choice/ heroic Whispering Fanged Skull.
    Reason for not having the agi ashen verdict ring instead of might of blight is that this is actually my off specc.
    (And yes my neck is crap)

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...raveh%C3%A9art

  3. #3023

    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    Gear is starting to look good.

    Here's mine

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...enas&n=Ymeltje

  4. #3024

    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    -1 Bad gemming in your chest: 3* Str here
    -1 Bad gemming in your belt : Same as chest 3* Str
    -1 Wrong repu ring : The agi one is better
    -1 Some 100ish hit over the cap: This can be solved bei either replacing that crappy chest or the crappy belt (the agi badges belt is far better than the plate one -.-)

    -1 Bad spec : Aura mastery is better than the regular Divine Sacrifice.

    5/10

  5. #3025

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    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...e&cn=Solandius - Mine
    Gotta change my pants to the sanctified ones,working on it(mark in the backpack)
    Belt and Neck also is a must for upgrades.
    Wrong spec since i'm doing also pvp,so i'm respeccing all the time(PvE to PvP and otherwise)

    Edit: A question by the way,should i change my Ashen Verdict Str ring to the Agi one?

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    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    Quote Originally Posted by Solandius
    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...e&cn=Solandius - Mine
    Gotta change my pants to the sanctified ones,working on it(mark in the backpack)
    Belt and Neck also is a must for upgrades.
    Wrong spec since i'm doing also pvp,so i'm respeccing all the time(PvE to PvP and otherwise)

    Edit: A question by the way,should i change my Ashen Verdict Str ring to the Agi one?
    -1 Enchanting for hit but already over hit cap (Boots)
    -1 Gemming Yellow Sockets with +4 str bonus should be 10 str + 10 Crist
    -1 Cloak Enchant should be +23 Haste
    -0 Specc cause i think (hope) you are in PvP Specc -.-

    7/10

    To your question Agi Ring is better for PvE but for PvP the Str is better, depends on you ^^


  7. #3027

    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo
    -1 Bad gemming in your chest: 3* Str here
    -1 Bad gemming in your belt : Same as chest 3* Str
    -1 Wrong repu ring : The agi one is better
    -1 Some 100ish hit over the cap: This can be solved bei either replacing that crappy chest or the crappy belt (the agi badges belt is far better than the plate one -.-)

    -1 Bad spec : Aura mastery is better than the regular Divine Sacrifice.

    5/10
    If youre starting critzising other ppl than do it right.

    Chest yes 3x str or Tear, 10str/10crit,20str ....
    Belt Tear + 2x str or 3x str. ( Yes the Agi Token Belt > Plate extremly for you with over hitcap)
    Yes other Ring ...
    Boots -> extrem fail ! 10str/10crit, 20 str ( Tear in a yellow slot ? woot ?)


    Peace




  8. #3028

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siène
    If youre starting critzising other ppl than do it right.

    Chest yes 3x str or Tear, 10str/10crit,20str ....
    Belt Tear + 2x str or 3x str. ( Yes the Agi Token Belt > Plate extremly for you with over hitcap)
    Yes other Ring ...
    Boots -> extrem fail ! 10str/10crit, 20 str ( Tear in a yellow slot ? woot ?)


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    Nillo was semi-correct and so are you. The chestpiece should be socketed for pure str. I have explained this many times before, but I'll do it again. When you have a RBY set of sockets in the chest, you are required to use 2 hybrid gems to make the 8 Str socket bonus. Effectively you are only getting 4 Str per hybrid gem. With the Nightmare Tear in the belt, the socket bonus gained is a full 6Str.

    PvE ret paladins should never EVER use Sovereign Dreadstones (10Str/15Stam). The pally in question has multiple of these gems.

    I agree that the NMT is wasted in the boots as you pointed out, but I initially made the same mistake Nillo made. There are a couple sets of plate DPS boots and I initially just assumed that this guy has the boots with the red/blue sockets. Shit happens.

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    "Remembrance of things past is not necessarily the remembrance of things as they were."
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  10. #3030

    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    Quote Originally Posted by Prentice
    I agree that the NMT is wasted in the boots as you pointed out, but I initially made the same mistake Nillo made. There are a couple sets of plate DPS boots and I initially just assumed that this guy has the boots with the red/blue sockets. Shit happens.
    Well I actually saw that one, but forgot to post it whily typing for the reason you posted: Some boots just have that blue slot and some don't :P

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    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You


    9,5/10 cause u are little over hit switching out the Ring of Rotting Sinew would fix this too perfectly 264 hit -.-

  12. #3032

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suliso
    To your question Agi Ring is better for PvE but for PvP the Str is better, depends on you ^^
    Could i ask Why?
    You can call me an asshat but i don't get the point getting Agi over Str.

  13. #3033

    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    Quote Originally Posted by Solandius
    Could i ask Why?
    You can call me an asshat but i don't get the point getting Agi over Str.
    Aside from loading the two rings into Rawr an accepting the output, you can compare them side by side with stat weights.

    [Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance] vs [Ashen Band of Endless Might]

    By looking only at the differences (hit, crit and proc are identical) would look something like this...

    99 Strength vs 88 Agility + 135 Attack Power

    Now plug in the stat weights and you get...

    ( 99 x 204 ) vs ( 88 x 130 ) + ( 135 x 81 )
    20196 vs 22375

    The Agi ring edges out the Str ring by a fair amount because of the amount of crit that ret pallys gain from the Agi.

    The following stat weights were used for the calculations above.

    Hit rating 264 (30)
    Strength 204
    Exp rating 170 (0)
    Crit rating 134
    Haste 137
    Agility 130
    Armor Pen 99
    AP 81
    SP 26

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  14. #3034

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    shiny new ring


    prentice. i feel for you having to gem hit

    wtb polar bear bracers?

    Edit: To my disgrace, I realized today I'd been using only two JC gems for months


  15. #3035

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamson
    shiny new ring


    prentice. i feel for you having to gem hit

    wtb polar bear bracers?

    Edit: To my disgrace, I realized today I'd been using only two JC gems for months

    Yeah I realized that I've only been using two jeweler's gems too, but I haven't logged on my paladin in a month so I don't care!

  16. #3036

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamson
    wtb polar bear bracers?
    Rub it in a little more please?? Ass!!

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    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    It's okay, those bracers don't exist.

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    Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

    Quote Originally Posted by Macabrily
    It's okay, those bracers don't exist.
    weird how they dropped 4 time out of 5.. havent go them yet
    my rolls suck, 58 is my max (yes i won the boot with that roll..)

  19. #3039

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macabrily
    It's okay, those bracers don't exist.
    neither does heroic bloodfall
    , or conq tokens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamson
    neither does heroic bloodfall
    , or conq tokens
    they exist but my roll of 58 dont want to go up

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