Will the bosses on the PTR have the same hp/do the same damage on live?

[CreativeInstitute]

Seeing a few of those PTR videos, and are the bosses there just for testing the mechanics? Like when 3.3 goes live will the bosses have more hp/do more damage or anything? Or is this pretty much what they're going to be like on 3.3 launch day?

Just wondering.

[nietmakkir]

short answer; probably not.

long answer; the bosses at the moment are sortof a 'guess' of what blizz thinks should be well balanced, so ideally they should stay the same on live as they are in ptr, but there's always going to be an ability that isn't doing enough, or an unforseen tactic that lets the encounter be completed in a different way to how they want it done, so these things will be changed for live

[Keoren]

From testing Rotface, for example, I think it's a really fun fight, but seemed like it might get nerfed for normal difficulty. Heroic difficulty, on the other hand, I expect to be much harder compared to the version on PTR.

The PTR bosses are likely to go through many readjustments before making it to live and chances are they will go live easier than they are in PTR or go somewhat challenging and end up being nerfed after awhile like with Ulduar.

[Choda]

Note that bosses like Lady Deathwhisper probably get intentionally undertuned for mechanic testing rather than difficulty testing.

[Keoren]

Note that bosses like Lady Deathwhisper probably get intentionally undertuned for mechanic testing rather than difficulty testing.

Yes, usually bosses like her go through atleast two tests. One that is undertuned for mechanic testing and another where the boss is tuned higher for testing the whole fight.

[Saliz]

Maybe for the normal versions.

Some of the guilds on the PTR are pretty advanced guilds worldwide, so things that they one-shot might give other ppl trouble. So PTR only helps Blizzard that much.

Maybe towards the later bosses they overdo damage a bit to give the great mass of ppl more time in the Instance. One shotting everything isn't really fun.

One boss per night is a bit better.

If ICC is like Naxx (in the way that it has 4 quarters and then on to Arthas), 6 weeks for an average guild to get to the last boss sounds good to me....but I am not in Blizzards brain or mindset.

Ulduar difficulty would be nice. And I wouldn't mind Arthas being like Alagalon in a way. Big cockblock to see. For all I care they can remove the obstacles to him a month before cataclysm is released to give "everybody who cares" the chance to kill Arthas.

But I won't die if Normal mode means everybody beats Arthas in 2 weeks. Plus it means I have a reason to post on this forum for the next 4 months about the huge QQ shitstorm how this game is too casual

The encounters we tested in EU so far are definitely a step up from Ulduar on normal mode. By the looks of it, the ones US tested are even more complex. Whilst we didn't have much trouble with them, don't expect PuGs to have any degree of success in there for quite some time, unless some massive mechanics/numbers nerfs will be in place on live.

[Keoren]

The encounters we tested in EU so far are definitely a step up from Ulduar on normal mode. By the looks of it, the ones US tested are even more complex. Whilst we didn't have much trouble with them, don't expect PuGs to have any degree of success in there for quite some time, unless some massive mechanics/numbers nerfs will be in place on live.

Yes, from the looks of it, we'll have a place that is atleast on the level of Ulduar while in proper gear level. I do not foresee full clears from random trade channel pugs, though more advanced pugs with good leading may indeed be clearing it few months after release.

[Saliz]

Yeah no doubt, we have pugs clearing 4/5 TOC25 hm on our server now, so ICC normal will be cleared by those eventually.

[Keoren]

Yeah no doubt, we have pugs clearing 4/5 TOC25 hm on our server now, so ICC normal will be cleared by those eventually.

May I ask which server is that? 4/5 TotGC25 is quite respectable from a pug, even if I assume it's somewhat hand-picked people from different guilds.

[Saliz]

Ravencrest EU. Actually, there are two pugs that clear 4/5 toc25 hm weekly. Both made from alts in my guild + a bunch of random people

[Keoren]

Ravencrest EU. Actually, there are two pugs that clear 4/5 toc25 hm weekly. Both made from alts in my guild + a bunch of random people

Sounds like our weekly pug with half alts on Al'Akir EU. We have not yet tried TotGC25 though, but that has been half cba issue and half that we've been clearing Ulduar25 with couple hard modes, VoA25 and CC25 in the single evening dedicated for the pug so there's hasn't been time to fit it in. However, seeing how we got our pug legendary mace now and are Ulduar25 decked, we're probably soon starting TotGC25 nights.

Apologize for going off topic here. ;D

[Saliz]

Sounds like our weekly pug with half alts on Al'Akir EU. We have not yet tried TotGC25 though, but that has been half cba issue and half that we've been clearing Ulduar25 with couple hard modes, VoA25 and CC25 in the single dedicated evening for the pug so there's hasn't been time to fit it in. However, seeing how we got our pug legendary mace now and are Ulduar25 decked, we're probably soon starting TotGC25 nights.

Yeah you should, it's pretty rewarding.

We got like 2 alts in the guild with legendary now and some of the alt tanks are better geared than the MTs of some guilds, it helps ;>

[Keoren]

Yeah you should, it's pretty rewarding.

We got like 2 alts in the guild with legendary now and some of the alt tanks are better geared than the MTs of some guilds, it helps ;>

Yes, it really does. We even have one alt tank we've been taking to main TotGC25 runs when/if we've been missing a tank of that kind and it easily has the gear it could hop on to tanking the thing full time and in one night get the few pieces it is missing from being all TotC/TotGC decked. Having exceptionally geared alt reserve is a powerful tool and quite fun too.

As for on topic still; boss changes from PTR to live will in the end depend on the results of the testing and all we can do is make educated guesses based on the testings. The more complex the boss, the more adjustments I would imagine happening inbetween.

[noxxous]

i wish my server did anything... they can barely do 25 regular pugs

[CreativeInstitute]

Oh, I don't know. NO ONE knows. So how about we just wait until the patch goes live and then we'll all have a nice little surprise! Does it matter to you right now if the bosses have the same HP/damage? No. It does not. I'm sick of crappy threads like this. Reported this thread for deletion.

Wow you're really that butthurt over a thread? Report all you want, it's not off topic or against the ToS. :

I asked a simple question about PTR and asked people based on previous PTR's, what exactly happens with the boss tuning.

[CreativeInstitute]

The fact that you used the word "butthurt" shows what kind of poster you are. While your original post might not have been "off-topic", the discussion quickly went that way. But what did you hope to get out of this thread? Blizzard tunes the bosses however they want to tune the bosses. You can't change what they do to the boss, and you won't know exactly how much hp/damage the boss has until it goes live. So why waste everyone's time?

lol, still butthurt I see.

And ROFL at the guy with a girl dancing in his icon taking the high ground with the "used the word "butthurt shows what kind of poster you are" blah blah. Go surf some more porn, loser.