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    Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    ULTIMATE WARRIOR TANKING 3.3 GUIDE! (BEGINNER)
    Hello, welcome to my Protection Warrior Guide for 3.3(beginner)
    This guide is for all who Protection Warriors who are eager to get in ICC as quick as possible or even be able to raid/ do heroics in general.
    >>NOTE: SOME INFORMATION GIVEN IS FROM PERSONAL LIKINGS<<
    >>NOTE: ALL INFORMATION GIVEN HAS BEEN COMPILED FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES!<<


    Today ill be going over the following;
    • General
    • Easy to obtain Starter Gear
    • Talents/Rotation/Stats
    • Macros/Addons
    • Gems/Enchants
    • Threat

    General
    Warrior tanks are considered the hardest tanking class. This is true...........
    Once you have a general sense of what you’re doing and what your purpose is, you can be a very good warrior tank! Now, warrior tanks are very different from other tanks, as they use rage to perform abilities, rage is granted from;
    • Weapon Swings
    • Abilities
    • Attacks on YOURSELF
    Being a warrior tank is hard because managing rage is near impossible to get perfect,
    Here’s a simple way of putting it,
    Rage=threat=good.
    Warriors tank with a 1h weapon, and a Shield(Off-hand), warriors also tank in Defensive Stance.

    Easy Obtainable Starter gear
    The Following pieces of gear i highly recommend getting to start off your journey;
    >>NOTE: THESE ARE ALL EASY TO OBTAIN THROUGH THE BADGE SYSTEM/HEROICS<<

    Talents/Rotation/Stats
    First off, ill start with stats(more mathy and boring)
    In order for Prot-Warriors to tank they need to have a healthy balance of several stats;
    • Health-Stamina
    • Defense
    • Parry/Block/Dodge
    • Expertise
    • Hit Rating
    • Armor
    Health-Stamina
    If you have 20,000 Health, you have 20,000 HP.
    20,000 HP=20K
    1 stamina=10HP .
    99% of ALL tanks like to have high health-pools, and that’s not bad! But if you’re a beginner you should start out with getting your other stats better. As you get better gear you’re other tanking stats increase and it allows you to stack stamina.
    Defense
    This is the #1 issue for tanks beginning out, getting there defense up!
    In order to tank Heroics you need,
    535 defense.
    In order to tank raids you need- 540 defense
    Defense is a skill that helps prevent physical damage by reducing the chance to be hit or critically hit. Additionally, it also increases block, dodge and parry. Mobs receive 0.1% per point of defense. Mobs get an additional benefit from defense of Glancing Blows versus players.
    Block/Parry/Dodge
    Your Block Rating (introduced in patch 2.0.1) is provided by items that have a Block Rating bonus. At level 60, you gain 1% to your Block Chance for every 5 points of Block Rating. At level 70, you gain 1% to your Block Chance for every 7.8846153846 points of Block Rating, and at level 80, you gain 1% to your Block Chance for every 16.3949938950 points of Block Rating.
    Dodge is a very mathy concept, if you want to know all about dodge please visit
    http://www.wowwiki.com/Dodge
    Dodge is a form of melee mitigation where the entire melee swing is avoided. Dodge is a passive ability possessed by all players for all classes and races. However this stat is the most important to players fulfilling a tanking role. Only close range melee attacks can be dodged; a ranged attack or a spell cannot be dodged. Players can only dodge attacks if they are facing their opponent, however a mob can dodge attacks that are from behind. Incapacitated targets (stunned for example) cannot dodge.
    There are several ways that dodge is modified. You can increase you chance to dodge by increasing your dodge rating, defense, or agility which will all increase your effective chance to dodge or dodge percent(%). You can decrease your chance to be dodged with expertise. Expertise is only modified from expertise rating. Your chance to dodge a hit as well as have your hits be dodged is affected by the level of your opponent. Different classes and talent specializations will also vary the amount of dodge a player has.

    Targets of melee attacks can have a chance to parry each incoming frontal attack. A successful parry nullifies the attack (for the attacker it is like a miss) and reduces the swing timer of the defender. It is a passive ability which does not require any action to be used. Most melee classes get this ability — warriors at level 6, hunters and paladins at level 8,rogues at level 12, and Death Knights start with parry. Shamans have a 20 point Enhancement talent called Spirit Weapons which grants them the parry ability in addition to threat reduction on their attacks and spells.
    http://www.wowwiki.com/Parry

    Expertise/Hit Rating
    Expertise is an attribute introduced in Patch 2.3.0. One point of expertise decreases the chance that melee attacks made by the player will be dodged or parried by 0.25%. At level 80, every 8.2 points of expertise rating grant 1 expertise. For boss-level mobs (which are calculated as your level + 3) the soft cap is 6.5% dodge or 26 expertise (214 expertise rating), and the hard cap is 14% parry or 56 expertise (460 expertise rating). Melee DPS classes will usually focus on the soft cap, since bosses cannot Parry when attacked from behind. Some tanks will like to collect a lot of expertise in order to avoid boss parries.
    Hit refers to physical damage that occurs as a result of an attack made with melee or ranged weapons. Basically it reduces the chance to miss with your attack (see below). The chance to hit increases by 1% per 32.79 hit rating points at level 80, 15.77 hit rating points at level 70, and 10 hit rating points at level 60. The base chance to miss with maximum weapon skill against an opponent of equal level is 5% for two handed and 24% for dual wield. With Patch 3.0, both hit and spell hit use the same basic hit rating attribute within the combat rating system, although the similarity largely ends there — they are effectively distinct attributes derived from the same rating.
    In order to be a good tank you will want to sit at around;
    5-9% Hit
    21-28 Expertise

    Armor
    Armor is a class of items that mitigate physical damage and are equipped in the different armor slots (head, shoulder, back, chest (aka body), wrist, hands, waist, legs, feet, and off-hand for shield). This sort of armor contributes to the Armor attribute, a numerical value that translates into physical damage mitigation in combat. Some non-armor items may grant a Defense attribute bonus.
    Armor augments a character's health to a higher number (if the armor is positive), which represents the amount of physical damage a player can withstand. For instance, a character with 5000 health and 50% armor would be able to absorb 10000 damage before dying.
    The formula for determining damage absorption is:
    DA = (player health) / (1 - (% damage reduction given by armor in decimal form).
    For example, a character with 1000 health and 31.24% damage reduction would be able to absorb 1000 / (1 - .3124) = 1454 (rounded) damage.
    A character with 1000 health and 99.98 damage reduction would be able to absorb 1000 / (1 -. 9998) = 500,000 damage.
    Damage absorption only applies to physical damage.

    Rotation/Abilites
    In order to be a successful tank you need to know how to manage cooldowns and know your rotation.
    The TBC rotation was simply Shield Slam – Revenge – Devastate, with Heroic Strikes spammed when possible and Thunder Clap and Demo Shout kept up when needed. This counted for AoE as well as single-target tanking. WotLK has changed this quite a bit. The discussed rotations are going to assume you have infinite rage. For rotations with limited rage, such as trash, you’ll want to keep an eye on the before mentioned list of threat per rage ratio of each ability, and adjust the rotations below as needed.

    MY PERSONAL ROTATION;
    Charge(starts combat)
    Shield Slam
    Revenge
    Conc-Blow
    Demo-Shout
    Shield Slam
    Devastate x5
    Revenge
    >>YOUR ROTATION CHANGES ON DIFFERENT BOSS’<<
    Abilities(taken from http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f200/...ior-guide.html)
    Improved Bloodrage: Pointless, don’t take it. With the Warbringer talent (discussed later on) and the original Bloodrage you will find it hard to be rage-starved in the first few seconds of any fight.
    Shield Specialization: A very strong talent that, now that Shield Block is on a 60s cd (40s with a later talent) and block value goes higher than ever before, is pretty much mandatory. The extra rage element is also nice.
    Improved Thunder Clap: A mandatory talent. It provides survivability from the mobs lower attack speed while also providing 30% more dmg to one of only two of our AoE tanking abilities.

    Incite: As part of improving our dps and tps there are a number of talents having to do with +crit. This is the first of them, and a good one at that. The 15% higher crit rate on Heroic Strike and Thunder Clap offer very good value on both single target and AoE tanking.
    Anticipation: A no-brainer, especially now that avoidance suffers from diminishing returns (more on that later) the extra 5% dodge is excellent.

    Last Stand: One of the primary panic buttons and a must-have for raiding, LS has been slightly buffed to a lower 5 min cd.
    Improved Revenge: A debated talent, but I believe a very good one. Revenge is less used in the WotLK tanking rotation compared to the TBC one because Shield Block cannot be spammed, but it does more threat and more damage than before making it an overall buffed ability. Increasing its damage by another 20% is an excellent way to spend two talent points. IR will give a bigger overall tps increase than most other threat talents.
    Shield Mastery: With Shield Slam becoming the main ability in the tanking rotation and it’s damage being dependant on Block Value, this is an immensely important threat talent. As an avoidance talent it is also invaluable due to its 20 sec reduction on cd, which in itself also buffs dps. By having SB up the SS will hit for more (more on that in the Rotation segment).
    Toughness: In itself a talent an MT can’t do without, simply because of the damage reduction the extra armour provides. On top of that, this talent combines with Armoured to the Teeth in the Arms tree, making that better too. The reduction in the duration of movement slowing effects is more or less a PvP bit, but still has its uses in PvE.

    Improved Spell Reflection: A 100% PvP talent. Perhaps there is one fight in an instance somewhere that this might be handy, if you wanted to avoid a party member taking damage from a random spell attack, but overall it is a massive waste of points for PvE. 4% reduction in the chance to be hit by spells is alright, but far from worth it.
    Improved Disarm: There’s been a small number of bosses reported in WotLK instances that you can disarm, but as a general rule of thumb it’s impossible, which makes this talent pretty useless. Unless there’s an instance boss like Brutallus where raid dps has to be higher than you can do and the boss can be disarmed, it’s pointless.
    Puncture: Pre-WotLK this was a very good talent for raiding, but that’s changed completely. In WotLK devastate has a much smaller role to play in a tanking rotation (again, more on that later) and the 3 talent points it costs to max this out will provide a very small boost to your rage. Unfortunately, this talent is not worth it anymore.

    Improved Disciplines: Strangely enough this is a PvP talent, since for PvE raiding it’s pretty useless. The minute off your Shield Wall might sound nice, but remember that the whole point of Shield Wall is to be your panic button. The only time this talent is used is if you use SW twice or three times in one long fight, but that means using it at the start and middle where it shouldn’t be needed at all, and the ability will be on cd for when you do actually need it. Quite a pointless talent.
    Concussion Blow: Conc Blow has had its threat increased, as shown later by threat lists, and makes for a good stun if you can’t use Shockwave (CC’d targets in range). It’s not an amazing talent, but for the one point it costs it’s not bad. It’s also needed in order to get Vigilance, which is discussed later.
    Gag Order: With Shield Slam becoming the most important tanking ability, just the 10% extra SS damage makes this talent worth the 2 talent points it costs. On top of this is the silencing parts, which make this a very good talent indeed. Pulling casters to you has never been easier. You smack it over the head with Heroic Throw and use your 20 yard taunt to get it over to you instead of the nearest healer, done.

    One-Handed Weapon Specialization: A must-have in TBC and a must-have in WotLK, no real argument here. Max this out in any build you use.

    Improved Defensive Stance: The standard 6% dmg reduction from spells is good for tanking, just like it was before, but no real treat. The actual value of this talent comes from its Enrage effect on every Block, Parry or Dodge. The Enrage increases your dmg by 10% for 12 secs, which doesn’t need an explanation on how good it is, really. Plus, you can trade in your Enrage for an Enraged Regeneration, healing you for 30% of your health over 10 seconds.
    Vigilance: This talent is a bit troublesome. In TBC it would be considered amazing, but in WotLK the tables have turned. Threat is no longer the massive issue it used to be. There shouldn’t be any need to take 10% threat off of anyone in the raid, since nobody should come close to a good tank. Unless Blizzard is underestimating the threat made by dps there are only two ways this talent can have any value that I can see. When two Warrior tanks put it on each other during trash, basically making it a free 3% dmg reduction and quick taunt cd’s, or when the OT in a one-tank boss-fight puts Vigilance on the MT, while the MT puts it on the highest dps to even that out a bit. Over-all, I’d say this talent is pointless unless you raid with 2 Prot Warriors, and with 4 tanking classes that’s just not going to be likely, or if dps is closing in on your threat.
    Focused Rage: Rage is less of an issue in most situations in WotLK. The Sword and Board talent further on reduces the amount of rage your rotation needs tremendously, and the Glyph of Revenge or Heroic Strike could lower that even further. However, I’d still take this talent in any build. It’s just too powerful and useful not to take.

    Vitality: Strength is the new backbone of Warrior tanking and Expertise hasn’t lost any of its überness, making this a mandatory talent. End of.
    Safeguard: Again a talent that is almost entirely limited to PvP. Intervene is a nice ability, we all know that, but it’s rarely used in a raiding scenario.

    Warbringer: Basically this is Blizzards apology for messing with our class as we knew it in TBC so much, and it’s a very good apology. This ability is massive for pulls as well as the middle of fights. Being able to quickly move around the battlefield and get rage for it to boot on a low cd is awesome. Hardly ever will you get this much versatility from a single talent point.
    Devastate: Even though Devastate is used less in WotLK, it’s still used very frequently. A requirement for any tank, no changes there.
    Critical Block: Again an ability that buffs Shield Slam, and as you can predict, again you’ll want to take this talent if only for that reason. On top of that the talent gives a 30% chance to block double the normal amount on any block, which counts towards quite a lot of dmg reduction in the end.

    Sword and Board: Pretty much a must-have new talent. A 30% chance to refresh the cd on Shield Slam and make it free to use with a 5 sec window will completely change the way you tank. Where normally Prot Warriors are used to hit the same buttons in the same order during any fight, we now have to actually keep an eye on the SaB procs and weave them into our rotation whenever we see it go off. This changes tanking from a set rotation where you know what to press at any time, into a reactive rotation where you have to pay attention and change your ability order whenever it goes off.
    Damage Shield: Any attack done to you that you don’t dodge or parry will cause the mob to take 20% of your Block Value as dmg. With Block Values higher than ever before, this is a significant amount of dmg and threat. This works on the mob your targeting but also on any mob hitting you from the sides, effectively making it a great AoE tank ability.

    Shockwave: The new tree-defining talent for Protection, taking the place of Shield Slam and Devastate as respective end-of-tree talents. It’s a debated talent, however. Shockwave only produces threat based on the dmg it causes and the stun component is a mixed blessing. Most tanks don’t like stuns on their mobs, especially not in the start of fights, as it prevents us from gaining rage from being hit. On the other hand, you don’t have to use it in the start of a fight and it does give you a lot of CC when you need it. Any bad pull can be Shockwaved while you quickly hit all the mobs once or get a Thunder Clap off, or you can stun some trash when you see your going low on health and want to give the healers a breather. Of course, the stun will be largely useless on raid trash and completely useless on bosses. However, the dmg alone provides more threat than Devastate, TC or Heroic Strike, and is on par to Concussion Blow threat. Over-all this is a strong talent for raiding tanks, both for trash AoE tanking and for single target aggro. Just remember that Shockwave breaks any CC it hits.
    Talents
    This Build is the current #1 build for patch 3.3. if you would like to check out other visit: Here
    Glyphs:
    Major:
    Glyph of Blocking
    Glyph of Revenge
    Glyph of Heroic Strike
    Minor:
    Glyph of Bloodrage
    Glyph of Charge
    Glyph of Command

    Macro’s/Addons
    Im not going to explain the addons in great detail. If you seem interested go to the download page and read!
    Omen-Shows threat level!MUST
    Sword And Board -Notify’s you when you get S&B.(may not work)
    TankWarning-Notfiy’s important tank warnings
    TankMastery-Shows who your target is targeting with symbols(optional)
    SimpleMarker-Easy Marker( VERY GOOD/USEFUL )

    Macros
    For Common warrior macro’s visit Here

    Gems/Enchants
    Chest-
    Super Health (190p)
    +275 health

    Greater Defense (189p)
    +16 Defense Rating

    Super Stats (159p)
    +8 All Stats
    Feet-
    Greater Fortitude (220p)
    +22 Stamina

    Hands-
    Major Agility (175p)
    +20 Agility

    Heavy Borean Armor Kit (150p)
    +15 Stamina

    Armsman (94p)
    +2% Threat and +10 Parry Rating

    Expertise (61p)
    +15 Expertise Rating
    Head-
    Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector
    Weapon-
    Lifeward
    Bracers-
    40 Stam
    Legs-
    Frosthide Leg Armor
    Shield-
    +18 Stam
    Shoulder-
    Greater Inscription of the Pinnacle

    Gems
    As for gems i go for all 30 Stam
    And 1 10 dod, 15 stam
    In terms for meta’s go with 32 stam, +2% increased armor from items
    If your a JC go with 3(instead of all 30 stam)51 stam
    DONT GEM ALL STAM IF YOU UNDER DEF CAP! IF PEOPLE REQUEST IT ILL MODIFY THIS POST TO SHOW HOW TO GEM FOR DEF!
    Threat
    Now, in the interest of the tank rotations discussed next, we need some information on the threat values of our abilities. Two people have done a lot of research into this and I will use their findings here. First of all, Satrina on Tankspot (http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f200/...at-values.html) has researched every ability on its own to discover what the formula’s behind every ability were:

    Battle Shout _______________________ 78 (split)
    Cleave _____________________________ damage + 225 (split)
    Commanding Shout ___________________ 80 (split)
    Concussion Blow ____________________ damage only
    Damage Shield ______________________ damage only
    Demoralising Shout _________________ 63 (split)
    Devastate __________________________ damage + 5% of AP
    Dodge/Parry/Block___________________ 1 (in defensive stance with Improved Defensive Stance only)
    Heroic Strike ______________________ damage + 259
    Heroic Throw _______________________ 1.50 x damage
    Rage Gain __________________________ 5 (stance modifier is not applied)
    Rend _______________________________ damage only
    Revenge ____________________________ damage + 121
    Shield Bash ________________________ 36
    Shield Slam ________________________ damage + 770
    Shockwave __________________________ damage only
    Slam _______________________________ damage + 140
    Spell Reflect ______________________ damage only (only for spells aimed at you, not your party members with Imp Spell Reflect)
    Sunder Armour ______________________ 345 + 5%AP
    Thunder Clap _______________________ 1.85 x damage
    Vigilance __________________________ 10% of target's generated threat (stance modifier is not applied)

    This is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to most of you, but it shows us how each ability generates threat and we can calculate with that.

    The next referenced source is Borodin on Elitist Jerks ([Warrior] WotLK talent Preview/Discussion - Page 137 - Elitist Jerks), who made a list of threat values per ability using a standardised Warrior and enemy. These figures are currently true for a lvl 80 Warrior with 2500 AP, 1500 Block Value, a base 15% crit chance and all the Prot crit and +dmg talents. He’s wearing the [Red Sword of Courage] and assumes 5/5 1h-weapons spec and an Enrage effect on the Warrior. The Shield Slam is done without Shield Block on. The mob has 27% dmg reduction after raid debuffs, except for the first four Sunder Armours since they are counted towards those raid debuffs. The list is based on hits plus crit potentials, to average the amount of threat done by an endless amount of hits.


    Devastate 1 1042
    Devastate 2 1253
    Devastate 3 1475
    Devastate 4 1711
    Devastate 5+ 1961
    Sunder Armour 975
    Revenge 4522
    Shield Slam 7242
    Conc. Blow 3385
    Shockwave 3164
    Auto attack 882
    Heroic Strike 2599
    Thunderclap 2605
    Heroic Throw 3417
    Damage Shield 542

    Borodin made a number of interesting conclusions from this, some if which I’ll list as well:

    Heroic Strike threat is close to Devastate plus auto attack threat, only a small gap remains.
    Both Concussion Blow and Shockwave exceed Devastate Threat. Note that the threat is applied even if the mob is immune to the stun effects.
    Devastate Threat is now relatively too low or Thunderclap's is too high.
    Shield Slam threat now looks quite insane even before Glyphs, Meta gems and Shield Block are added in.

    Now finally I’m going to divide each of these values by their respective rage cost, to determine which is the best bang for buck when you don’t have unlimited rage at your disposal. The Sword and Board talent isn’t taken into account, nor is the Glyph of Revenge. Focused Rage is maxed out. Auto attack, Heroic Throw and Damage Shield are missing because they cost no rage.

    Devastate 1 86.83 without Puncture, 115.78 with
    Devastate 2 104.42, 139.22
    Devastate 3 122.92, 163.89
    Devastate 4 142.58, 190.11
    Devastate 5+ 163.42, 217.89
    Sunder Armour 81.25 without Puncture, 108.33 with
    Revenge 2261
    Shield Slam 426
    Conc. Blow 282.08
    Shockwave 263.67
    Heroic Strike 216.58 for the ability cost alone
    Thunderclap 200.38

    THANK YOU FOR READING. I WILL CONSTANTLY BE UPDATING.
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    ~Cheers
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    Indeed.

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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    This looks really helpful especially seeing as I'm going to be finally throwing a Prot set together.
    You face not Malchezaar alone, but the legions he commands.

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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    While a bunch of this is good combined info, I don't agree with a lot things. And even though some of this is your opinion, as a guide you should at least show alternatives that are widely used, unbiased thoughts and correct information:

    Glyphs:
    revenge and HS

    I don't think those are anywhere near good enough to be first choices for any tank. There are a three other better choices that rock HS and revenge. SW, Cleave and Devastate

    Weapon Enchant:
    I think you should list mongoose and accuracy as well seeing as those are arguably just as good, if not better.

    Rotation:
    I know it's your personal "rotation" but again, this is a beginners guide and you should teach beginners appropriately. There is no tanking "rotation" and your list is just not good if there was one. If you like using that list, fine, but again, use the same sort information gathering and pasting to teach beginners correctly. Ideally, you use the PRIORITY list.



    You're missing cape enchant on the list (armor>def)

    A few things you said are just wrong and overall bad info. I'll quote them:

    Improved Disciplines: Strangely enough this is a PvP talent, since for PvE raiding it’s pretty useless. The minute off your Shield Wall might sound nice, but remember that the whole point of Shield Wall is to be your panic button. The only time this talent is used is if you use SW twice or three times in one long fight, but that means using it at the start and middle where it shouldn’t be needed at all, and the ability will be on cd for when you do actually need it. Quite a pointless talent.
    Wrong, this is not a pvp talent and is essential for raids especially coupled with the SW glyph. Seriously, this talent is insane for pve raiding.

    Vigilance:Over-all, I’d say this talent is pointless unless you raid with 2 Prot Warriors, and with 4 tanking classes that’s just not going to be likely, or if dps is closing in on your threat.
    I don't really know who you play with but vig is sick and a welcomed single point talent that does as much as it does.

    Focused Rage: Rage is less of an issue in most situations in WotLK. The Sword and Board talent further on reduces the amount of rage your rotation needs tremendously, and the Glyph of Revenge or Heroic Strike could lower that even further. However, I’d still take this talent in any build. It’s just too powerful and useful not to take.
    FR is actually one of the first talents you can peel out of a prot build seeing that rage is a joke as a tank.

    As far as addons, omen is dated and nowhere near a must. Tidyplates and threatplates are insane and I would recommend those over any other addon.

    AND lawl what?
    Easy Obtainable Starter gear:
    # Satrina’s Impeding Scarab(TOC25- If your lucky on rolls)
    # Bubbling Brightbrew Charm(Only available @ Brewfest)
    Really great list : Almost makes me think this is a trolling guide.

    Now, my final thing to say. I was working on a 3.3 prot guide for about a month now but I can never seem to finish it. All of this information you have copy and pasted from other sites are no doubt helpful but they are just as confusing to a new tank as if they went to look for them. You should think more of cutting down explanations on what something does (armor, dodge, parry) and just explain why a warrior needs it or doesn't. Listing why and when a shaman gets parry is not helpful at all really, for example. I would request a sticky for this since this forum needs a damn prot sticky but your work is full of misinformation, bad opinions and overall it doesn't feel like a guide for beginners. I hate to be the one to shit in your cereal after you put in some obvious time and effort but I'm sorry. Sorry to be so critical as well, but I take my class and the information given to others seriously.



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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    Honestly I read it quite quick so prolly missed much but...

    The post have some good points and some really bad ones.

    1. If you are protection specced 1 stm =/= 10hp

    2. Easy obtainable gear should include crafted items over raid 10/25 items imo. As a started at lvl80 you should/can get loads of items before even stepping in to a raid.

    3. Hit/Expertise, I run ICC25man as MT and got like 40 hit rating and 30 expertise. My threat is not an issue. Expertise>Hit til you get to 26 (softcap). Mind you that TC/DS/Taunt are spellbased abilities they cap at 17%. Always carry a taunt glyph in your inventory for raids incase you don't use it normally. (NB/Festergut/etc.)

    4. Cba to look it up but you forgot to mention that Armor does have a "cap" (well, I know not really a cap), 75%. Guessing tho that the number is so high that a warrior(or any of the tank classes) won't hit it.

    5. JustintimeSS explained the "rotation" bit. Shame on you for forgetting shockwave over Devastate...

    6. Shield Specialization, this one is false. A lot of ppl tend to only take 2 points in this one. Imo only reason for taking 5 pts in it would be for Anub block tanking.

    7. Agree with JustintimeSS, who doesn't take Vigilance? It's pretty much a free talent when you wanna go for 51pts.

    8. Glyphs... Oh dear God no! Did you just copy paste master glyphs from a UA build? You make no sense. Taunt/Devastate/Blocking is what I normally run tho like I mentioned before. I carry most of the warrior glyphs with me when raiding and change em around pending on what I need for a specific boss.

    9. Your missing a few enchants. Imo Tuskarr's vitality (15stm/runspeed) is more worth it then the extra 7stm. That's my pov tho. Ofc bosses where you just stand still it's "less" useful.

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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    I skimmed through that, didn't have time to read it all but gems. You say to go all 30 stam with one red 10 dodge/15 stam for the meta.

    This isn't accurate. Yes a yellow socket for a tank is the worst but it often makes sense to stick a nightmare tear, 10 def 15 stam or 10 hit 15 stam in a yellow socket if the socket bonus is good enough.

    For example the iLvL 245 helm has a yellow socket and a 12 stam socket bonus. You could put in a 30 stam gem or get a nightmare tear which gives 10 stam (+12 from the socket = 22 stam) + 10 agility, 10 strength and 10 spirit.


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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorGuides
    Easy Obtainable Starter gear
    I would suggest to add both Brewfest trinkets:
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49116
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49118
    Both are 170 stamina, and you can use both simultaneously, which is 340 stamina.

    As long as we talking about easy to obtain gear, I would add:
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50290 - obligatory for orcs cause of racial.
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49835
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50268

    These are easy to obtain. You don't even need emblems of frost for it.
    And, of course, T9 that you can get from badges.

    Nor basically you need bracelets, belt and boots. These crafted ones are more or less easy to obtain in 3.3:
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47571
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45551
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45560

    Also I would strongly recommend to consider Blade Ward and Moongoose for weapon enchants.

    Edit: Also, Vigilance is a must!
    If you don't have issues with threat in raids, your DPS are probably slacking. Warrior tanks do have issues with threat even in 3.3 especially if they gemmed for stamina all the way as opposed to be hit and expertise capped.

    Edit: I don't think this can be Ultimate guide.
    It's a shame that you can't be banned from WOW for being bad player.
    It's a shame that you can be banned for being good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kungen
    Banned for raiding.

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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    rotation no longer contains conc blow / shock wave on single target, since they buffed devastate.

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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    Sorry for Necroing but, could this be made sticky ? This forum needs a Protection guide and this thread seems like a good place to start

    I'm probably gonna have to make some suggestions though

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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    Quote Originally Posted by Alianthos
    Sorry for Necroing but, could this be made sticky ? This forum needs a Protection guide and this thread seems like a good place to start

    I'm probably gonna have to make some suggestions though
    Well it's technically a good guide however it fails to deliver the very important tips on how to tank heroics, wich starter chars are all about tbh.

    IMMA CHARGIN' MA' VENGEANCE!

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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    Indeed. No tips on the gearing process whatsoever, also some wrong informations / advices (enchants, glyphs).

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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    If the trinket from toc25 is easy to get if it drops, why not say every other piece of gear from there is easy to get? The trinket is probably the hardest thing to get and it is still wanted my alot of tanks. And i dont understand why you would put 2/5 in shield spec? I dont spec into arms other than the parry, and my threat is more than fine to hold off the whole raid, so why would i need to lose some damage migration? Surely a 3% chance to block is worth more than some uneeded aggro? Anyone tell me why? :]
    Thanks!

    Ps. I think it's helpful to spec into the shield wall cooldown reduction, and the shield wall glyph is very helpful :]


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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    Please don't say "Def cap" in a beginners guide.

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    Re: Ultimate Protection Warrior Beginners 3.3 guide!

    Nice guide - now go tank like Kungen!

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