Unyeilding Faith vs Divine Intellect for Ret

[Horn]

Why in the name of whatever deity you believe in would you get 3/5 in reckoning but skip over divine sacrifice & divine guardian, sure it might be a slight threat buff but we dont need extra threat & ds/dg is godly no mater where you are.

Idk about godly, but much much more effective than reckoning in its current state will ever be.

Also, http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...VsL5eYb,,11403 is pretty cookie-cutter with Vind, PoJ, JoJ and SoC being optional depending on playstyle and raid setups.

[Lackluster]

yes, Blind/sap count has disorient

Incorrect, blind is a disorient effect but sap is an incapacitate.

[DaGhostDS]

Incorrect, blind is a disorient effect but sap is an incapacitate.

im still trying to understand this

Patch 2.4.0 (2008-03-25): "Sap mechanic changed from "Incapacitate" to "Sap".

in other word we are both wrong :P

[shetan]

Why in the name of whatever deity you believe in would you get 3/5 in reckoning but skip over divine sacrifice & divine guardian, sure it might be a slight threat buff but we dont need extra threat & ds/dg is godly no mater where you are.

/sigh...</3 this argument that has been beaten more than a dead horse.

I spec into reckoning because as a MT, I hardly ever push these two buttons, especially in ICC. Sure, it's a free dmg mitigation for the entire raid. However, take this into thought. You're going through your normal rotation and let's take...Marrowgar for examples. He goes into Bone Storm and you decide to pop DS/DG during Bone Storm to ease a bit of healing. He comes out, you taunt and then three of your healers are now spiked...oh shit...you can't pop a defensive CD because you have forbearance.

Lady Deathwhisper...you pop DS/DG when the OT taunts off of you and when you take her back, your kickers miss a kick and you get smacked immediately following causing AD to go off. Guess you can't pop shield wall here either.

Is this the everyday norm? No. Can it happen, most definitely. Yes, I'm aware that to every counter, there is a counter.

[Nikoll]

Ds/dg do not cause forbarance. They are also 2 seperate buffs. Make a macro to cast it and cancel ds aura. Wa-la, you now have a 20% mini shield wall. That is raid wide.