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    US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    US First Lich King (10) Heroic Kill by Adept + Video
    On March 15, Adept (US - Dreadmaul) claimed the US first kill of the Lich King in 10-man heroic mode. Congratulations to them!


    They also released a full video of the encounter, the encounter definitely looks much harder in Heroic Mode. The 1st part of the video will be available a bit later.

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    AE Tanking
    Here are ways we could make AE tanking trivial. None of these are things we would actually do, though players have suggested some things dangerously close to them.

    -- Challenging Shout has no cooldown. Everything is pretty much taunted to you the whole time.
    -- You can tank everything by spamming Commanding Shout. (Back when say warriors tanked the pre-Nef adds, they could do it by spamming Battle or Demo Shout, which generated terrible threat but just enough to actually work on that encounter. Now it really won't work... but it could with the right numbers.)
    -- Thunder Clap hits so freaking hard that you hit it once and never really have to again.
    -- Thunder Clap puts a dot on everything (stronger than Deep Wounds) so that you hit it once and never really have to again.
    -- Defensive Stance has an 8000% threat modifier.

    Those ideas would all work if we wanted you to never lose threat. That's not the goal. On the other hand, the goal also is NOT:

    -- Some tank classes just generate a lot more AE threat than others.
    -- Some tank classes just AE tank a lot easier than others.
    -- AE tanking gets harder and harder over time as dps specs gear up.
    -- AE tanking is really, really challenging and you're at the constant risk of losing aggro.
    -- Just for completeness, I'll add the original one above, which is that you never, ever lose threat no matter what.

    What we like about the warrior AE tanking model that is worth extending to other classes without just duplicating the warrior abilities:

    -- You hit more than one button.
    -- You hit different buttons than you do when handling single targets.
    -- You have to pay attention to crowd controlled targets.
    -- You don't totally ignore your single-target abilities.
    -- You might switch targets on some pulls. (Source)

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    Beast Mastery
    If you're talking best possible gear, we think BM is pretty close to Survival in 3.3.3. Marks is ahead, and that's largely a function of armor pen, but again you are talking about absolute best gear. If you aren't in Icecrown 25 hard modes, then gear is likely to have just as much effect on your damage as spec. Ideally, things are balanced at all levels between level 1 and 80 with BiS gear, but there are going to be a lot of points along the way where that's probably not true. We see Survival hunters beat Marks hunters all the time in what I would categorize as average (meaning not server first guilds but capable of progressing) raids. Hopefully we'll see some BM guys up there too, but it may take higher gear levels. (Source)

    I would be pretty surprised if guilds doing hard modes w/ access to lvl 80 BiS gear have hunters raiding as BM, or would be happy with a hunter choosing a spec that isn't min/max'd.
    My suspicion is that the hunters with the gear you are describing will have a propensity to go Marks, because that currently yields the highest damage and raiders tend to play whatever does the highest damage. In a world without armor pen, that might not be the case (though I haven't done the math lately).

    Nonetheless, it is also true today that Marks can beat Survival, and yet there are a lot of Survival hunters raiding. Our hope is that in 3.3.3 that there will be as many BM hunters as Survival raiding, which would be a really nice bump for BM. Maybe the estimates (ours and those I've read) about the boost BM is getting are overly optimistic. We'll see.

    It's possible the Survival hunters are only going Survival for Replenishment, though all 3 hunters bring some pretty solid raid benefits these days. (Source)

    Warrior (Forums / Talent Calculator)
    Shield Block
    If you don't think Shield Block is interesting enough today, that's a fine discussion to have. I'm a little surprised to see any nostalgia for the old model though. Hitting a relatively common dps button that plays into other talents and abilities is one thing. Having to constantly mash "make me slightly more survivable" is another. I'll grant you that it was fun on Illidan, but it took that mechanic specifically to make it fun.

    Imagine how you'd react to this scenario:

    GC: Good news, everyone! We lowered the cooldown of Shield Wall to 5 sec and balanced assuming you hit it every 5 sec.

    Tanks: Um.... Thanks? Could you maybe just make it a passive at that point?

    GC: But hitting buttons is fun! (Source)

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    this news was merely a setback

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    I guess i have to say gratz to Adept

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    they werent such exited as i thought they could be
    but anyway gz Adept

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    Grats to them

    Also, "bane of the fallen king" is one of the best titles yet
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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    well, we know it's possible if you outgear the encounter by almost a full tier now.

    Which means there will be a 25m Hard Mode kill during the 10% or 15% Hellscream buff. Calling it now.
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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    Ping: 405?

    Must be a lotta fun to play like that
    Deal with it...

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    Gz , Adept :3
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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    Congratz to Adept !
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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    I thought 10m heroic was supposed to be tuned for 10m guilds. If it took this long for LK to be killed in the US, I have my doubts...

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    Hm. Seems like only idiots post videos without thinking. Great Job Guys - NOT !

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    Quote Originally Posted by Phibi
    Ping: 405?

    Must be a lotta fun to play like that
    You have no idea.

    Gratz on the kill Adept. Show us Oceanic people proud.

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrania
    Hm. Seems like only idiots post videos without thinking. Great Job Guys - NOT !

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    Lol those Adept guys are having way too much fun. PURPLLLLLLLEEEEES.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johvendi
    I thought 10m heroic was supposed to be tuned for 10m guilds. If it took this long for LK to be killed in the US, I have my doubts...
    You aren't complaining that it's too hard, are you? Please tell me you're not. Please. Hard is good.

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    1) Heroic LK looks sooooo much more epic than reg

    2) BM isn't far off of surv now (played properly), can't wait for my offspec to *almost* be useful again!
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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    They should do mob scaling with gear and bring back CCing that hasn't been aroudn since early BC.
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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    Quote Originally Posted by stupid11
    well, we know it's possible if you outgear the encounter by almost a full tier now.

    Which means there will be a 25m Hard Mode kill during the 10% or 15% Hellscream buff. Calling it now.
    Does this mean that you know how 25m Hard Mode is tuned?

    Gratz on the kill.

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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    Quote Originally Posted by Samin
    What?
    Ever wondered why neither paragon, Ensidia nor us posted a lk10 hc kill video yet ?
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    Re: US First Lich King 10 Heroic, Blue post

    could warriors please stop whining about AE tps?

    our threat is fine, other classes are just spoiled - take it as a challenge and stop complaining...
    if you still want your class to be unique (i for one do) then we dont need to copy other classes all the time.

    not everything comes easy, you shouldnt want everything to be easy - it takes the fun out of playing, yet you would all still compain if it became to easy.
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