Cataclysm Preview - Grim Batol

[Tablemaker]

Are there any mobs in Grim Batol that are NOT recycled from somewhere?

This is Alpha. Not even Beta. Who says these boss models will get to see live?

Oh... that's right. You do and everyone else who can only think in a negative manner.

Complain when it is still like this a couple of weeks before live... or, take it to their forums to show your frustration.

[sabe]

Isn't that place BRD?

[Eyeball2452]

It feels like a combination of Ironforge, Blackrock Depths, and the Utgarde dungeons (Refer to http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/.../june/ss56.jpg )

They've been recycling for a while. Imo, I think redoing Azeroth was a mistake. The more I see, the less excited I am. I really enjoyed TBC because it was something new.

Of course, that's partially do to the addition of only 5 levels too. I don't know, but it appears that there are a lot of corners being cut for CAT. Having said that, WoW really has no competition in the MMO genre, so what do they care?

[ElAmigo]

to all the people that always have to find something to QQ about these are what you call place holder...christ

and also to those saying it will be another occulus, whos to say that the red dragonflight aiding us cant be like the ashen verdict did in ICC

[Leviatharan]

Grim Batol looks like a dark version of Ironforge. Cool.

Thats what I was thinking! Darker... and (more?) EEEEEEEVILLL!!!!

[Noomz]

I read the comments solely to watch people cry about re-used models.

I think it'll be awesome, and the models look great.

[Brock2525]

They've been recycling for a while. Imo, I think redoing Azeroth was a mistake. The more I see, the less excited I am. I really enjoyed TBC because it was something new.

Of course, that's partially do to the addition of only 5 levels too. I don't know, but it appears that there are a lot of corners being cut for CAT. Having said that, WoW really has no competition in the MMO genre, so what do they care?

Holy crap, you're stupid.

[Deleted]

They've been recycling for a while.

What, you are complaining about Grim Batol's look? Seriously?

It would be wierd if it DIDN'T look like Ironforge, considering it was built by the Wildhammer at the image of Ironforge.

[Hothgor]

Obviously there will be some initial Old God involvement in Grim Batol. I know one of the interviews out there mentioned that after you defeated Cho'gal on heroic mode, the floor dropped out and you learned a 'terrible truth'. They mentioned lava, black dragon eggs aaaaannnnddd...

Well, looks like the Old Gods themselves are corrupting the dragon eggs. Could this be a new dragon-flight in the works, or perhaps we are seeing the beginnings of the Infinite Dragons?

[Matchu]

Just to clarify, it's not vehicle combat at the beginning of the dungeon. The forces of the Twilight's Hammer within Grim Batol are massive, so you'll start the dungeon with a bombing run through the halls to thin their ranks. It'll be a set flight path and will not involve aerial combat. This is only to get things started. This dungeon is not vehicle-driven at all.

That's alright then.

[Rensyk]

This looks so awesome - can't wait for Cata to be released now.

[Shirimasen]

Dragon+Gronn=red vezax


Or something which could otherwise be large like a gronn, and have scales like... say... dragons...

gene splicing by twilight hammer perhaps?

[Huurka]

Why would I want to see an autistic kid play Mario?

[eucatastrophe]

Oh please don't ruin Vezax by tainting (ie recycling his model) him

Why Blizzard, why...

[Xorkrik]

Of course, that's partially do to the addition of only 5 levels too. I don't know, but it appears that there are a lot of corners being cut for CAT. Having said that, WoW really has no competition in the MMO genre, so what do they care?

They are doing 65 levels fwiw. I'd hardly call re-doing and adding more zones to the 2 biggest continents of WoW cutting corners. Not to mention all the changes to combat, guild, raid etc. Cataclysm is by far the biggest and most complicated expansion yet.

[Deleted]

Isn't that place BRD?

facepalm big time... did you even read whats bieng said >.<?

[Travio]

They are doing 65 levels fwiw. I'd hardly call re-doing and adding more zones to the 2 biggest continents of WoW cutting corners. Not to mention all the changes to combat, guild, raid etc. Cataclysm is by far the biggest and most complicated expansion yet.

Yeah, but it's not endgame, so it doesn't count!

[wxcopy]

What, you are complaining about Grim Batol's look? Seriously?

It would be wierd if it DIDN'T look like Ironforge, considering it was built by the Wildhammer at the image of Ironforge.

It kind of looks like the original Ironforge...

[Izichial]

How many different type of mobs do you want there to be? Space is limited on Azeroth you know :P.

On topic: it loooks awwweeeesome.

Yeah, I don't mind the cultists (any race), dragons etc. nor the dungeon itself (and I personally agree with you that it looks pretty good, even though the "Blackrock style" of dungeons doesn't really appeal to me). Those are both expected and justified. It just annoys me that they don't expand the story of and explain the connections between Deathwing, Twilight's Hammer and the Old Gods and specifically their doings in Grim Batol, mainly the how of it. At the moment it's frustratingly vague and the "obvious connection" between many things is pretty far stretched. Why are the Gronn there, for example? Did some Twilight Hammer cultist bring a few back to Grim Batol on R&R from Outland? Why Gronn? Why is a faceless general (or whatever you want to call the type of faceless that Vezax and this new guy are) in Grim Batol, even assuming they're sent out to lord TCs around? Presuming they are, why are the reds (especially if some of them are the reds that were driven out or otherwise hung around that part of the world to keep involve in those affairs) allowing horde to use them if the horde is now allied with Dragonmaw? Sure, some of these (such as the Dragonmaw story and what the current relationship between Deathwing and the Old Gods is (pawn? allied? nutcase prodded in a certain direction?), certainly) will probably be explained in due time but still, much could have been explained without having to spoil.

Also, you do not reskin things to use as placeholders. Also, wut at people going "don't say anything negative until you've played it!", it's called voicing concern because we want it to be as good as you presumably do. Also, what's wrong with the comment that much of TBC looked new? It did. So did WotLK apart from the giant playing for time that recycling Naxxramas was. Expansions are supposed to look and feel new, while they've seem to have done a great job on remaking Azeroth so far they need to follow it up all the way, sycophantic mewling won't iron out the creases in the details. Also, no one has said the re-used models are bad (hell, Gronn are one of my favourite creature models as well), it's simply the principle of using them when you neither sufficient explain their presence and/or don't balance the weight with new (as in new new, not new content that looks like old content) content on the other side of the scales. Also, overall alpha is actually pretty late in the development cycle.

I don't see any corners being cut, just high speed rubber marks tarnishing the details. It's not the world but it's not hard to fix either so it should be.

[Bareno]

Why would I want to see an autistic kid play Mario?

Who said they were austistic? Read their website FAQ and find out why they do this...