Ruby sanc trink - shadow

[Dreamtail]

I cant find anywhere simcraft to show where the ruby sanc trinket in both norm and heroic version sits compared with other trinkets im currently sitting with heroic spyglass and heroic DFO and wondering wether to get the ruby trinket or not i suppose i would want to but want to know for sure

[Zoulis]

ruby sanctum one is better than spyglass , but i'd say go for the sind 25man one. Atm i'm using DFO hc and PotNL and i don't think i'll change PotNL to the ruby sanctum trinket , yes the 160 haste is nice but me being at 1.1k haste i'd rather have 31% crit instead of 27% :P

Cheers
Zoulis

[Deleted]

the top 3 trinkets (DFO, PotNL, CTS) are all very close in simcraft, close enough that they change positions depending on the rest of your gear.
(so far most simcrafting hasn't even found the 'BiS' combo, the difference is within just a few DPS and changes with your professions)
Pick any 2 and use them and you probably won't do too wrong.
Only thing to look out for it using DFO / CTS combo, if you're missing some crit on your gear then crit > haste at BiS level for gemming.

[Strykie]

Phylactery + Charred = BiS
Phylactery + DFO easiest to get at Hardmode level.

[Deleted]

Phylactery + Charred = BiS
Phylactery + DFO easiest to get at Hardmode level.

with which professions?

300 Duration Engi/Tailoring
HDFO/HpotNL: 13307 dps
Scaling: SP = 1, Haste = .8791, Crit = .7810, Spirit = .5666

HDFO/HCTS: 13329 dps
Scaling: SP = 1, Haste = .7151, Crit = .7691, Spirit = .6003

HCTS/HPotNL: 13310 dps
Scaling: SP = 1, Haste = .8828, Crit = .7705, Spirit = .5661

300 Duration Eng/JC
HDFO/HPhy: 13314
Scaling: SP = 1, Haste = .9061, Crit = .7590, Spirit = .5644
HDFO/HCTS: 13326
Scaling: SP = 1, Haste = .7289, Crit = .8247, Spirit = .5626
HCTS/HPhy: 13324
Scaling: SP = 1, Haste = .8708, Crit = .7758, Spirit = .5861

Tailoring and Enchanting
1. HCTS + HDFO
12890 dps
Scale Factors:
Int=0.5383 Spi=1.2546 SP=2.2442 Hit=3.2702 Crit=1.8025 Haste=1.7194
2. HDFO+HPotNL
12904 dps
Scale Factors:
Int=0.5398 Spi=1.3417 SP=2.2949 Hit=3.0487 Crit=1.8251 Haste=1.9021
3. HPotNL+HCTS
12900 dps
Scale Factors:
Int=0.4724 Spi=1.3594 SP=2.2695 Hit=3.1669 Crit=1.8665 Haste=1.8784

PotNLhc and HCTS actually aren't BiS.
the other 2 are, depending on professions

[Strykie]

You are a blood elf, you are worried about 10 dps, your faction has troll race.

FULL BIS with double haste trinkets, Gemming haste/sp in every yellow socket will yield 1535 Haste Give or take 5.
Thats Roughly 40%, almost 50% in a raid situation.
This brings your MF down to 1.3 sec.
Under Heroism Your MF will hit 1.0 Cast time.
That ofcourse means that Engineering Gloves/haste pots which are both superior to their counterparts are useless under the effects of heroism which is when you are supposed to use cooldowns....

[Deleted]

Hi, why are you so defensive? :S

I'm not worried about 10DPS...

as far as i could tell this thread was about the RS trinket, the discussion then moved on to how the RS trinket fits with BiS, i showed some simcrafted numbers debating the possibility of different BiS trinket combo's depending on professions. Are you aware that simcraft includes using a haste pot and bloodlust? the above numbers still hold true.

Not that i need to justify myself (since i could actually be a lvl1 warrior it would make no difference to this discussion) but i rolled blood elf at a time i was main spec healing. Sadly i do not have IRL funds to change race, please send me a PM if you're willing to finance this for me somehow.

Not really sure what i said to make you think i was an idiot... none of it is even opinion, it's just numbers using someone elses code.

EDIT: successful troll got me. GG

[Abandon]

Actually, Strykie is just like that.

[Wogga]

You are a blood elf, you are worried about 10 dps, your faction has troll race.

FULL BIS with double haste trinkets, Gemming haste/sp in every yellow socket will yield 1535 Haste Give or take 5.
Thats Roughly 40%, almost 50% in a raid situation.
This brings your MF down to 1.3 sec.
Under Heroism Your MF will hit 1.0 Cast time.
That ofcourse means that Engineering Gloves/haste pots which are both superior to their counterparts are useless under the effects of heroism which is when you are supposed to use cooldowns....

1383 haste, 42,18% base. with boomkin and any shaman i`ve got slightly higher than 50% haste and MF cast time is 1,62 sec...with bloodlust ~1,1 sec. dunno where you got your numbers

btw - changed normal PotNL for normal CTS and got dps increase despite pretty huge crit loss (~3%)