Real Names on Official Forums cancelled

[scarabus]

good to see that such a "mass demonstration" is still able to succeed

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hey if it takes 40,000 people to get it cancelled, lets get double that to bring it back

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go f*ck yourself with assbook, this dumb institution is the reason for all the mess we had.

[Will]

lol @ everyone who is calling blizz 'pushovers' for this decision
dude, if so much feedback is in the negative, they'd be stupid not to reverse the changes-

not pushover - common sense more like

[grinded]

wow !!! just as we passed through one huge problem blizz drops another stupid feature to our forums:"Abilty to rate posts youtube style!!".
Cmon blizz seriously(facepalming for a moment) posts and comments are two different things.The forum boards are NOT youtube, we don't have nearly as bad spam problems and they have little or next to no regulation so they need that feature.
Forums are meant for discussions,what will happen is that people will have posts rated down and deleted, which is player sponsored censorship.We don't need that in the forums, everyone is free to disagree with each other respectfully on the forums, please don't turn it into a competition.

Blizz is downsizing moderators and are cutting costs

So they implements systems that will get the workload off moderators instead so they dont have to keep as many
doesnt matter if its a good idea or not and frankly i just dont care anymore.
Before Blizzard was known for dealing great service and that took care off theire community while doing really good and high standard games.
This is what made blizzard so popular and well respected in the gaming community.
But the same company now have actually told theire costumers adapt to our new terms or fuck off we dont care
and when they realised that it would hurt theire upcoming sells sc2 and d3
Then they start with a damage control letter and the sheep hrm people are happy with

that this and that are cancelled and blizzard listens to us and start thanking blizzard for that

Note it is not cancelled it is delayed people that are thanking blizz that they won against activision is dead wrong they are the same company
all this means is that when they find a more suitable time aka not inflicting on theire upcoming products they will implement it.
And hope people are to addicted to stop playing

[Blur4stuff]

let's not be shocked that a company is trying to increase profits

that's what they're suppose to do, so of course they will look for ways to do it

they reversed something that was unpopular so why bitch

[Gyrllsbear]

Taken from the MMO-champ FB page:


Note: There was no need to hige their names and faces because anyone can go on that page and see them.

Now, most of the people posting how horrible it was have their privacy settings on low displaying to me; their name, general location, relatives, friends, places they've been and a little look into their homes sometimes. Most of the people saying the idea of real names when posting (which forums actually do anyway) are fools that jump on any conspiracy theory without thinking about it for more than two seconds. If your name (which is common to share with hundreds of others in the world) is really that precious to you then why are you on social networking sites? I'm suprised you could fill in the WoW subscription form without breaking down in fear that Blizzard will clone your details and the whole thing will be a scam.

There was nothing wrong with real names on the forum, unless you were the only guy in the world who doesn't share his name with others and everyone happened to know where you lived. If you are that guy then don't post on the forumn.

[Deleted]

I think its funny that all those people who are for the use of real names on the forums are not posting under their real name here......

So far I haven't found anyone els with my name. I don't use facebook/myspace/insertrandomiwantattentionwhoringwebsitehere/twitter. I actually like being anonymous on the internet.
People i've known for a long time know my real name but that's because it was my choice to give it to them, it wasn't forced on me.
I am a girl and the first year of me playing WoW I didn't realise that I had to hide that, i've learned my lesson the hard way. I am happy that blizzard decided to not go trough with this.
But lets not forget that RealID in game is still showing friends of friends. And I am reading more and more articles that addons can be coded to fetch someone's real name (although I am not sure about this one).
Also lets not forget that when you give someone your RealID, your giving them your Login Email adress for WoW.

[Gyrllsbear]

So far I haven't found anyone els with my name.

Type your name in google.

People i've known for a long time know my real name but that's because it was my choice to give it to them, it wasn't forced on me.

Don't post on the forum then, that's the choice. (I do hope your name isn't Mary btw.)

I am a girl and the first year of me playing WoW I didn't realise that I had to hide that, i've learned my lesson the hard way.

You'll encounter arseholes everywhere, your gender only opens up new doors for arseholes. (Yes, I realise how that reads, no I'm not changing it.)

But lets not forget that RealID in game is still showing friends of friends. And I am reading more and more articles that addons can be coded to fetch someone's real name (although I am not sure about this one).

People can't even be arsed to read each others ingame characters let alone their real names. All I get in instances is, "Shaman, can I get WF totems?". Happy to let people know my real name, I give it out constantly in real life. It would be rather odd if I met someone in real life and responded to, "Hi, what's your name?" with, "Annonymous".

Also lets not forget that when you give someone your RealID, your giving them your Login Email adress for WoW.

True, but that's whhy Real ID is for your mates who already know your email. However this is about ingame while the change is about the forum which doesn't display your email.

I understand what you are saying, and it's fair enough I probably would feel the same way but time has given me a cba to care attitude towards things like this. Instead of it saying my character name it'll say my real name, that's just how I read it. It's just my opinion, don't take offense to this.

[Panoramixe]

In the whole world or did you just go and used howmanyofme.com lol

A lot of Europeans have very rare names. Personally I can find only one other with the same name as mine and he's over 90 years old. I'm pretty sure people on a forum can figure out who's posting about a game.

yeah... the forum doesn't give your address out, email, or your IP adress so how the hell will he find you just by your name? Well unless you did create a facebook with your real name and put in all your info in there that's the only way.

I just checked my name on google. My e-mail is listed because I'm part of a professional marketing association. It also mentions which city I live in, now how hard is it to use a phone book?

yeah i bet all teachers go to the wow forums to see if your name appears...just keep your mouth shut and your personal business remains personal

On google only half the first page is filled with links about me. If the WoW forums were to use real names, I'm sure the combination of my first and last name would easily make the first few pages of google. I don't know about you, but if you think your employer is too stupid to use google, find a new job.

I'll end with a little prank we did back in college. Like I mentioned I'm into marketing and we had an assignment about SEO (look it up on google, if you don't know what it means). We photoshopped a picture of the teacher with make-up and a dress in a gay bar in a "provoking" stance and made sure the site we posted it on was the first site mentioned when googling said teacher's name and the first picture you found on google images.
We were able to reproduce this after the first time in about 15 minutes, so yes this could bring a whole new form of harassment.

[Deleted]

Type your name in google.

I have...No one has my name

Don't post on the forum then, that's the choice. (I do hope your name isn't Mary btw.)

Actualy posting on the forums is not always a choice. Plenty of times I contacted a GM about a problem and They tell me to post about it on the forums and ask there. And no my name is not mary

I don't take offence that easily

[Hellraider]

I see no point on real names to be showed so thank god. Who would be happy about real names anyways? And answer is: pedophiles and psychos. So what on earth was Blizzard thinking? I don't know anybody has killed himself because of he got trolled but no wonder that some psycho that you have been messing with in internet comes one night to your room and stabs you with a knife because he got your real name and wants to pay back. Blizzard ruined their last pieces of reputation on that stupid idea xD

[sleekit]

there was no point in showing peoples real name because it didnt provide what the anti troll posters want which is accountablity.

that is unless they were advocating some unmentioned action which would affect the named party in RL which is exactly what they have been framing as paranoia when its put forward by others.

as ive said before if blizzard and you as an anti troll poster want accountablity and a sanction that affects people in RL and thus dissuades then from posting crap ask them to link forum and game so that a temporarily or permanent ban affects both.


there are plenty of forums around the internet who deal well with trolls without posting members real names and if this was such a great idea one has to ponder as to why this is practically the first most people have ever heard of such a thing.

some of the people posting here think the posting of real names is not a valid concern. they point to the likes of facebook and get into hypothetical arguments about what might happen with those who disagree and that's fine and understandable because quite honestly this game is for 12 and up and a great many of the people who will be playing simply havent lived very much.

i disagree with the idea because of a preexisting reason for fostering as much anonymity as possible when im on the internet (or anywhere else) and have the full support of the state in doing so and i wouldnt wish the reasons for that on anyone else but the sad fact is most of you will encounter the darker side of life during the course of it and develop a far greater understanding for why privacy is protected under the law.


so to recap this idea didn't provide accountablity unless you advocated the kinds of use of the information you called paranoia from others and a far better idea is to provide a sanction which actually does affect in RL those you are supposedly against (trolls) without rasing privacy concerns like linking bans from forum and game togther.

none of the "QQ won" comments are constructive and it seems most of you haven't even read what they are moving forward with as an alternative. if you expended as much energy arguing for something that you thought was actually a good idea (like say linking forum and game banning) rather than picking fights with your fellow players (who are not all trolls or stupid so get over it) just maybe you'd actually achieve something.

atm all you are really doing is continuing to be poster boys for why those outside think WoW has a terrible community.

[Will]

Gryllsbear, the cancellation of real ID names on forums is a good decision. you told Marydoll "Don't post on the forum then, that's the choice. (I do hope your name isn't Mary btw.)" and I disagree - All Wow Players deserve a say on the forums and shouldn't have to hide and miss the opportunity to do so because they won't disclose their name - that's unfair.

some people don't like disclosing their real name but WANT to post on the forums - telling them not to is of course true but it just proves how screwed up the whole idea was.

As much as arseholes are encountered everywhere, the whole Real Id forum names would've just given them more ammunition to use against us. So don't use 'arseholes are everywhere' as an excuse to justify your (apparent) defense of the (now cancelled) changes.

[Asatru]

I just didn't want my real name thrown out there carelessly. I enjoy the anonymity that the internet provides for my gaming experience.

[Battlegrounds]

Protip: ask for clarification next time.

I did, more than once.

First time;

Privacy is rubbish? I wish to know more about your views. Please continue.

Second time (more a statment of fact, less a question);

I'm still unclear as to what he's talking about. Thanks for trying to help though.

Third time;

Your post was vague. I wasn't sure what you were talking about, so I guessed. Please clarify then.

I made a very general statement

Yes, you did. Hence, the requests for you to continue and for clarification. I appreciate you taking the time to be more specific about your meaning. Thank you.

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Sorry, two sensationalized cases don't mean that's how the world works. It means you're watching an entertainment networks version of something.

So, you've only seen "two sensationalized cases," and they don't count because they were from an entertainment network? That's what I'm talking about. You need to read/watch actual news, than wherever it is you're getting your information from. That's why your input is less valid.

Every big boss I've dealt with is highly tech savvy, knows their way around the net and likes when employees are able to do the same. Sorry, the point that people are all biased against you being tech savvy and interested in things on your own time do NOT exclude you from positions. Terrible argument

Straw man argument. To substitute one argument in place of another, and then claiming it refutes the previous argument. In other words, claiming that tech savvy bosses like tech savvy employees has nothing to do with employers not hiring employees based on gaming habits. Nice try, though.

[Puntar]

This would have been the ultimate April Fool's joke, they're just 3months too late.

Unless someone else posted it (to many post to read), Here it is, from April Fools.

http://us.battle.net/matchmaking.html

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I don't get people, who wouldn't care (about RealID on forums)?

1st - Security. Name and Surname are required field for password retrieval. With "firstname.lastname@domain.com" hacker has very easy job to gain total access not only to BNet account but also other more important stuff.

2nd - Many people do not like to cross reference RL identity to fantasy game one either 'cause of sex (mostly females) or some other issue(s).

3th - Names are not equal. Some people still troll others due to their "strange" alias (global handle)!

With RealID poster on BNET2.0 forum would put their full name for ALL (entire internet) to see. That is quite like having a full name plastered over you forehead for all to see, when you would socialize anywhere.

And a Question for those " - Name me 1, one, ONE public internet forum where people around the world are identified by their full name?

[Brittany]

Real ID was meant to prevent trolls.

Now, instead they'll just ban them left right and centre and take a real hard line approach. So overall it will work out worse for the trolls (who were the ones mostly against it) but better for everyone else who was worried about it.

[Dark helmet]

I have spent considerable time on the official Blizzard forums this past week and posted opinions and replies to the RealID idea debacle, all opposing it. I have not viewed the posts on this board so I apologize if I am repeating something that has already been postulated. As far as I can tell only one of my posts was removed but I felt it important enough to share with the WoW community.

Once the decision to 'temporarily' abandon the RealID forum implementation by Blizzard was made the accolades and thank you's started pouring from most posters. Many others, myself included, were not really satisfied with the statement from Blizzard and still do not trust them in the least.

Anyway, to cut to the chase, I posted a theory I had as to the real reason Blizzard caved in on this. I will say here as I said on my post in the official forums that in no way do I condone or support what I believe was done. It's the reason I so strongly oppose RealID in the first place.

Several posters claimed a first and last name was all that was needed to track down an individual in many cases. To make their point they used only that information to reveal personal information about several Blizzard employees and their families at various levels in the company. I also believe some of these people were targeted for harassment by using this information. I will not list links or information that were used but I will say that in my opinion the change of heart by Blizzard was because they were on the receiving end of a situation they could care less about putting their customer base and their families in. A dose of their own medicine before going live with this monster as it were.

So the user community may indeed have helped sway Blizzards' intentions but I believe it was more to protect themselves from sowing the seeds and reaping the pain from this awful idea.

[poxyoxy]

everyone wins with this apart from internet rapist and trolls will still be fond out with the account number
good change

[Daieon]

When their employees get harassed it's a problem. Players... not so much. Did I get it right?

[Matthew]

Real ID was meant to prevent trolls.

Now, instead they'll just ban them left right and centre and take a real hard line approach. So overall it will work out worse for the trolls (who were the ones mostly against it) but better for everyone else who was worried about it

The problem is that they ban the wrong people many times. I was given a ban from there once for "trolling." I even sent them an email stating that I wasn't trolling and have never trolled and they replied "we determined that the appropriate action was taken." I replied with "how can that be when I wasn't trolling?"

Now, to the bystander, you'd think "well, you didn't think you were, but you were..." but I really wasn't. They mistake too many things for trolling and people who are flat-out trolling have been doing so for years. Heck, there were a couple guys who i've reported left/right for 2 years and they still remain. They go from post to post making cracks at people's gear, trying to pick fights and spamming "LOLUMAD!?" type comments.

Double-standards?