Which caster dps has the best survivability?

[ShamanWiz]

I'm not saying you shouldn't have an opinion, that would be ridiculous. You created a / posted on a poll on a forum, the point of which is to discuss the survivability of each class and I disagree with your point of view, so I am telling you why.
As for your point, yes Elemental and Balance are the only caster(damage) specs in their class, but that doesn't mean in any way that they have less survivability in their class.
--> TL,DR <-- Said it many times now, shamans can deal with most things.
For example, frost mages have more survivability than, say, a fire mage, true. They have ice barrier and many snares in addition to a powerful stun. However, elemental shamans have a lot of tools just the same. Theirs may not be as obvious, but they have them. Clicking a move that clearly says "Click me to take less damage or you die" like ice barrier is obviously a powerful defencive ability, however shamans have abilities that are equally potent. A talent that makes you passively take 30% less damage while in any form of cc (where you are the most vulnerable) which doesn't even have to be activated and doesn't have a cooldown is far more desirable, and remember this is on top of the fact that Shamans are less "squishy" than a mage when you compare their default survivability.

Sure shamans can be killed, but so can a frost mage. If an elemental shaman knows what he is doing he can
1) Use his many tools to prevent melee getting a proper shot at him (Thunderstorm, earthbind, ghost wolf to name a few all work very well and are on short / no cooldowns, and while they don't say "Click me to take less damage" like Ice barrier or dispersion might, they have the same effect - making you take less damage - while Thunderstorm also deals damage.)
2) Use the best interrupt in the game to prevent casters getting their more powerful spells off, or line of sight casters/ hunters with their superior mobility. In addition, thunderstorm works well against casters who are trying to nuke if timed right, and grounding totem also can save your life. Getting Crowd controlled by them? Not much of a problem, as you are taking less damage automatically and you have tremor totem that helps with most of those.
3) You can also nuke harder than most classes in the game. Most of these abilities wont need to be used when often you can kill them faster than they can kill you.
4) If all else fails heroism gives you the most powerful buff in the game for 45 seconds. If that isn't brilliant survivability I don't know what is.

So yes, you have a right to your opinion, but when you post it on a forum and ask for it to be discussed, don't whine when people disagree with you and show you why.

Never said they have less survivability they just have worst survivability then frost,affl somewhat destro and spriest.
And are you still claiming im stormhusk?

[Gamdwelf]

Clear shockadin, why is that not an option?

[Balduvian]

And are you still claiming im stormhusk?

Or his brother.

[ShamanWiz]

or his brother.

Im not stormhusk! Can you tell me why several people are calling my stormhusk?

[Flaks]

Why are they all casters?

I think the OP is just trying to prove that shaman and druids need more defensive cds.

[Balduvian]

Im not stormhusk! Can you tell me why several people are calling my stormhusk?

You have the exact same opinion.
You make the exact same QQ threads/posts. (About Elemental Shamans)
You talk/type the exact same way and make the same spelling errors.

[ShamanWiz]

You have the exact same opinion.
You make the exact same QQ threads/posts. (About Elemental Shamans)
You talk/type the exact same way and make the same spelling errors.

Ive never posted anything about shaman survivability...so if you think I'm QQing then shame on cause I'm not I'm just saying my opinion and aperently I mind my on buisness and people just quote me and make me look like a QQing player when I want to just get my opinion out and go on my way, and no I don't have spelling errors often.
Well hey I guess your stormhusk also by the way you make me out.

[Deleted]

Shadowpriests and frost mages.They are babbled 24/7, dispersion-IB avoid heavy nukes, fade :m.i.e - blink : goes off stun. Evocation when polymorph gives mage actual reset in mana and life.Spriest can still heal themself in any los or in between Cc. Also affl locks are in the same lvl with much drain for self heal good Cc and TP blinkwise .

[Renagade Raven]

Ive never posted anything about shaman survivability...

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...aman-abilities!
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...glyphs-talents!
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...aman-abilities!
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...Shamans-in-pvp
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-stats-overall with Shamans being conveniently badly placed on all your lists, apart from healing under pressure which doesn't make sense.

You posted on your banned accounts threads supporting yourself with this new account that appeared just after your old one was banned. You have posted more threads about shaman survivability. Use the same language / grammar easily identifiable with Stormhusks - not properly using punctuation / capitals / decent grammar. You swapped your avatar from one comedian to another. You boasted about your shaman's season arena stats before on one of these threads, which you now have as your sig. When someone states that there is something wrong with your suggestions / arguments no matter how reasonable they are, you make another post about it. If someone makes a good point or few in one of your threads you don't answer them but if you don't immediately make a new thread you don't address their points. I even saw you in another post, one not started by you, asking someone why when they quoted you to prove a point did they not quote your whole post. The same weird question that you asked me before.
TL,DR: You are Stormhusk.
Well there, you are clearly him. I'm not trying to have a go at you - you asked the question of us on one of your own threads so I wouldn't think this is off-topic. I also like some of your suggestions in your threads, even if they are a bit OP... but you asked so I am answering.

In case it is off topic, well, you didn't come back to my points in my post at the top of this page so I will refer you to that.

[Deleted]

In pvp - Spriest or lock I can fuck a mage in 5 sec nowdays.
In pve - Spritest with dispersion or mage with iceblock

[ShamanWiz]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...aman-abilities!
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...glyphs-talents!
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...aman-abilities!
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...Shamans-in-pvp
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-stats-overall with Shamans being conveniently badly placed on all your lists, apart from healing under pressure which doesn't make sense.

You posted on your banned accounts threads supporting yourself with this new account that appeared just after your old one was banned. You have posted more threads about shaman survivability. Use the same language / grammar easily identifiable with Stormhusks - not properly using punctuation / capitals / decent grammar. You swapped your avatar from one comedian to another. You boasted about your shaman's season arena stats before on one of these threads, which you now have as your sig. When someone states that there is something wrong with your suggestions / arguments no matter how reasonable they are, you make another post about it. If someone makes a good point or few in one of your threads you don't answer them but if you don't immediately make a new thread you don't address their points. I even saw you in another post, one not started by you, asking someone why when they quoted you to prove a point did they not quote your whole post. The same weird question that you asked me before.
TL,DR: You are Stormhusk.
Well there, you are clearly him. I'm not trying to have a go at you - you asked the question of us on one of your own threads so I wouldn't think this is off-topic. I also like some of your suggestions in your threads, even if they are a bit OP... but you asked so I am answering.

In case it is off topic, well, you didn't come back to my points in my post at the top of this page so I will refer you to that.

I guess im stormhusk so you can stop with all the quotes.
Maybe i posted on those cause i play a shaman for one and the fact there hot topics.

[Derian]

Well, I voted spriest. Thought about frost mage, but my main's a hunter and that makes mages, even frost mages, really squishy.

[Balduvian]

Ive never posted anything about shaman survivability...so if you think I'm QQing then shame on cause I'm not I'm just saying my opinion and aperently I mind my on buisness and people just quote me and make me look like a QQing player when I want to just get my opinion out and go on my way, and no I don't have spelling errors often.
Well hey I guess your stormhusk also by the way you make me out.

I don't really care, but you do. Not that I mind or anything, because I speak english far from fluently myself, but I was simply stating the similarities.

[Deleted]

He said DPS, and as of now, frost mage is not a viable DPS. I know in my raids, when the wipe hammer comes, I'm the last one standing 99% of the time, and I'm an Arcane Mage.

this is for a reason posted in a pvp section of the forum ????