1. #5921
    Yeah...
    *walks out*

  2. #5922
    Quote Originally Posted by Synaia View Post
    wow really good one =D
    sunshine avatar is so awesome *w*!.... <3
    http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7494/chopperoo.jpg
    (Sig too large)

  3. #5923
    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Yeah...
    *walks out*
    Yeah... I am both proud and sorry for what the picture I posted earlier has lead to.

    Originally Posted by Daxxarri
    Whale Shark swims where and how it pleases. Whale Shark /spits on your science.
    All hail Garrosh Hellscream!
    I've fallen for a woman... without a pulse. -- Forsaken afficionado. <3

  4. #5924
    Quote Originally Posted by Garthul View Post
    Are you implying that the necromantic magic that animates the undead also allows them to maintain an erection? That's quite a stretch in logic. There are lots of impotent people in the world and they're not all also quadraplegics. I would argue that the necromantic magic that animates them is formulated to allow bodily function for movement, the kind of things that you would want in an army of mindless soldiers, the only difference between the Forsaken and Scourge is that the Forsaken's souls have direct control of the magic that animates their bodies, whereas the Scourge are merely puppets of the Lich King. As such I doubt the necromancers from the cult of the damned put much effort into allowing the undead they animated to get raging hard-ons.
    the necromancers from the scourge came from people who were unsatisfied and joined kel'thuzad's religion... one of their quotes from WC3 is "I love the dead... frequently"... you can guess what that means, right???

    Also, yes, by game mechanics the undead can feel things but somehow I doubt that translates into lore. It would be a bit broken if Forsaken were immune to bleeds and shadow word: pain and death just because they were undead. Yes forsaken also eat for two reasons. One, game mechanics, they eat to regenerate health like every other playable race in the game. Two, they have the racial cannibalize as a reference (or perhaps homage) to their origins, which is obviously zombie apocalypse films (because ya know, zombies eat BRAINS!).
    cannibalize actually lies in the foundationt that the plague of undead doesn't just reanimate them, but also mutates them to some degree... the culmination of this is the ghoul (though wrath gave us a new top mutation... but whatever)... with this they can instinctively use some necromancy to use the meat of their foes to remake their own... basically necromancy is tied down to their metabolism... they also feel sense of touch and pain in various occasions... a guy was torturing forsaken dudes using pointy sticks on the scarlet monastery, remember??? and the undead in general feels a lot of pain when the light hits them...

    Their flirts are in game for the same reason as their eating food, because every other race has it. Besides, the flirts are basically just /silly + a solid helping of double entendre. They were not put in the game to craft lore around.
    actually, they were... they add depth to the races in aspects such as culture, aesthetic sense and etc... we know trolls like girls with halitosis because of them...

    Basically it boils down to this, if the Forsaken could function in every way as a living person, why would they even care? They would just be ugly immortals, and someone could write a terrible book franchise about them and make a killing off of movie adaptations.
    Forsaken are cursed. They are souls trapped within decayed bodies, bereft of feeling and disconnected from all that made them human. The weaker willed ones go insane, the strong seek to carve out a place for themselves in a world that sees them as abominations. Getting laid is no doubt the last thing on their mind and one of the many things which their bodies are no longer prepared to do.
    exactly because the forsaken are so tortured they need something to give them some sort of confort... some like that apothecary guy on hillsbrad do it by poisoning people, why wouldn't others get laid???

    besides, now on cata the forsaken are rebuilding their lives... they're constructing their cities... and they're taking pride on their undeath, saying stuff like "in death we are reborn"... so why do you think they wouldn't think about getting pleasure??? do you think they LIKE suffering??? of course not...

    besides, you sound like they only think about survival and nothing else... so why would that apothecary think about fun... or that rachelle gothena girl ask people to go help a poor orphan asking for treats on the hallow's end??? the forsaken are as complex as any person from any race... if they all had a "I'm strong and evil and I must survive", that would be a bad plot from a terrible book fanchise... you're generalizating too much...
    I want to have daughters... but if I end up having sons I'll raise them like this X3

  5. #5925
    What does Fan art has to do with the conversation at hand?

  6. #5926
    Quote Originally Posted by Thelight1 View Post
    What does Fan art has to do with the conversation at hand?
    we're basically discussing wether or not fan art about forsaken "dating" makes sense...

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    and you know what??? that's exactly why blizzard will never give us any confirmation of denial about this subject...

    if they said forsaken can have sex, people who play forsaken toons would get angry at the fact they play impotent characters...

    if they said they can't, people who don't play forsaken would get all shocked that there's "implicit necrophilia" in the game...

    so they just leave it to our imagination...
    I want to have daughters... but if I end up having sons I'll raise them like this X3

  7. #5927
    Quote Originally Posted by TrixyChibi View Post
    stealing that btw kavoo, as long as your ok with it.
    steal as much as you like :P

  8. #5928
    I'm not sure I care whether my characters can have babies or not.

  9. #5929
    A lot of articles show conflicting evidence as to whether forsaken just hate everyone or if they remember their human lives at all. There are plenty of quests, items, and dialogue that supports both sides. It's pointless to argue about because it seems that Blizzard doesnt know themselves. I just wanted to through this out there though for laughs: http://www.wowhead.com/item=37467

  10. #5930
    Quote Originally Posted by Garthul View Post
    Indeed they feel pain from the Holy Light because it is anathema to their existence and to the magic that animates them. The physical aspect of their being is far beyond pain. Rather, their essence or soul is now their center of control rather than the brain, and their will controls the necromantic magic which moves their body, rather than muscles and nerves responding to the brains commands. The Light sears at the magic linking their soul to the magic that animates their bodies.
    There, now you have a theoretical explanation for a fictional occurrence of undead.
    vishas tortured forsaken dudes using nothing more than torture machines and pointy sticks... so they do feel physical pain...

    "the eye" sees everything X3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    I'm not sure I care whether my characters can have babies or not.
    the undead can't have babies... the discussion is about wether or not they can have sex... you know... just for fun lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by sovali View Post
    A lot of articles show conflicting evidence as to whether forsaken just hate everyone or if they remember their human lives at all. There are plenty of quests, items, and dialogue that supports both sides. It's pointless to argue about because it seems that Blizzard doesnt know themselves. I just wanted to through this out there though for laughs: http://www.wowhead.com/item=37467
    that basically comes to this... depends on which forsaken we're talking about... some of them hate everything, some don't... some don't care... that's more phicological than magical... each person reacts differently to a great trauma...
    I want to have daughters... but if I end up having sons I'll raise them like this X3

  11. #5931
    Quote Originally Posted by Mortis Darkskull View Post
    vishas tortured forsaken dudes using nothing more than torture machines and pointy sticks... so they do feel physical pain...

    "the eye" sees everything X3

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    the undead can't have babies... the discussion is about wether or not they can have sex... you know... just for fun lol

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    that basically comes to this... depends on which forsaken we're talking about... some of them hate everything, some don't... some don't care... that's more phicological than magical... each person reacts differently to a great trauma...
    Well of course they can go through the motions - whether there is a point to it or not shouldn't really matter.

  12. #5932
    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    Well of course they can go through the motions - whether there is a point to it or not shouldn't really matter.
    IMO the point of it should be o feel good...

    and to mock the living, cause the undead are tireless and can go on doing it for all the eternity, while the living can't XP
    I want to have daughters... but if I end up having sons I'll raise them like this X3

  13. #5933
    Quote Originally Posted by Mortis Darkskull View Post
    vishas tortured forsaken dudes using nothing more than torture machines and pointy sticks... so they do feel physical pain...

    "the eye" sees everything X3

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    the undead can't have babies... the discussion is about wether or not they can have sex... you know... just for fun lol

    ---------- Post added 2010-11-07 at 02:22 AM ----------



    that basically comes to this... depends on which forsaken we're talking about... some of them hate everything, some don't... some don't care... that's more phicological than magical... each person reacts differently to a great trauma...
    actually he tortured them with the light (ie the poker that is always on fire with holy light) even then they didn't "squeal"

    also the apothecaries get "joy" out of suffering, in quite a few quests ud hate their old lovers even if the old lovers tried to help them.

  14. #5934
    Quote Originally Posted by TrixyChibi View Post
    actually he tortured them with the light (ie the poker that is always on fire with holy light) even then they didn't "squeal"

    also the apothecaries get "joy" out of suffering, in quite a few quests ud hate their old lovers even if the old lovers tried to help them.
    vishas has no holy spells at all... his sticks are hot from normal fire (they can inflict an immolation effect) and his only spell is shadow word: pain (which isn't holy at all)... so vishas' torture was a physical one...

    pursuing joy through making people suffer is a sign they can pursue joy... sex causes joy... so they can also pursue sex...

    and the roach seller in UC still feels for his family... the forsaken are people... each of them has different personalities and reacted differently to the pain they suffered...

    EDIT: about the torture thing... sticks hurt more when they're boiling hot... so torturers warm them up before using them... people nowadays know nothing about torture...
    Last edited by Mortis Darkskull; 2010-11-07 at 04:34 AM.
    I want to have daughters... but if I end up having sons I'll raise them like this X3

  15. #5935
    Quote Originally Posted by Mortis Darkskull View Post
    vishas has no holy spells at all... his sticks are hot from normal fire (they can inflict an immolation effect) and his only spell is shadow word: pain (which isn't holy at all)... so vishas' torture was a physical one...

    pursuing joy through making people suffer is a sign they can pursue joy... sex causes joy... so they can also pursue sex...

    and the roach seller in UC still feels for his family... the forsaken are people... each of them has different personalities and reacted differently to the pain they suffered...

    EDIT: about the torture thing... sticks hurt more when they're boiling hot... so torturers warm them up before using them... people nowadays know nothing about torture...
    its not normal fire its holy fire, they are the scarlet crusade they use the light.

    and just cos you like hurting people does not mean you can or even can enjoy sex.

  16. #5936
    Quote Originally Posted by Mortis Darkskull View Post
    the necromancers from the scourge came from people who were unsatisfied and joined kel'thuzad's religion... one of their quotes from WC3 is "I love the dead... frequently"... you can guess what that means, right???
    Heh, this is just silly. First off, the necromancers are not actually dead, and while it is uncommon and rather disgusting for a person to get 'personal' with a corpse, I believe the track record for corpses actively participating is pretty low, hence I doubt the virility of the undead.
    Second, the troll units in WC3 would also say "Lucy..." in a very Ricardo-esque voice if you clicked them enough. Am I to infer that trolls are in fact Desi Arnaz from "I love Lucy" based on an offhand reference placed in game as a joke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mortis Darkskull View Post
    exactly because the forsaken are so tortured they need something to give them some sort of confort... some like that apothecary guy on hillsbrad do it by poisoning people, why wouldn't others get laid???
    I could just as easily assert that his poisoning of people in Hillsbrad stems from his hatred of the living and their continued virility, so I don't really see that this is much of a point at all. Also, of course they still think about fun and humor, as these feelings are not in any way related to bodily functions. However, why would they feel a physical yearning for something when their blood is congealed and their brain is shut down?
    Yes an undead could still feel emotion for another being, but I doubt their actions based upon that emotion would so closely mirror that of a living breathing person. Mostly likely this would manifest itself in a desire to protect that which they cherish, or if undeath sufficiently warps their mind then they may end up destroying that which they desire most.

    I NEVER said the Forsaken mentality was "I'm strong and evil and I must survive", I don't really believe they are evil at all, because honestly its all a matter of perspective. If you engage your brain for a moment, get your imagination going, and truly try to put yourself in the shoes of the undead you quickly obtain an interesting view of the Warcraft universe.
    I think you are vastly marginalizing the nature of the Forsaken by trying to treat them like normal humans + a little gimmick. "Oh look, I'm dead but act just like a human in all respects!" Please. The priorities of the dead are not the priorities of the living.

    Post more fan-art.

  17. #5937
    My god so much good art I haven't seen in this thread, some day I'll need to dig through it all.

  18. #5938
    just a small side note: I don't know why people assume the forsaken can't feel touch and pain... why would they have sense of vision, smell, taste, hearing but lack touch??? it'd be just illogical...

    not to mention that sense of touch is a very important survival tool and it would be very useful to the undead army...

    also on WoW DK (the manga about thassarian), he feels pain... and the darkfallen who fought with him used a spell to make thassarian feel the pain he should feel on his place... so both thassarian and a darkfallen feel pain (and both of them are undead)... so why wouldn't the forsaken do???

    now I'm off to sleep...

    and forsaken dating makes sense... stop questioning the poor artworks...
    I want to have daughters... but if I end up having sons I'll raise them like this X3

  19. #5939
    Quote Originally Posted by Mortis Darkskull View Post
    just a small side note: I don't know why people assume the forsaken can't feel touch and pain... why would they have sense of vision, smell, taste, hearing but lack touch??? it'd be just illogical...

    not to mention that sense of touch is a very important survival tool and it would be very useful to the undead army...

    also on WoW DK (the manga about thassarian), he feels pain... and the darkfallen who fought with him used a spell to make thassarian feel the pain he should feel on his place... so both thassarian and a darkfallen feel pain (and both of them are undead)... so why wouldn't the forsaken do???

    now I'm off to sleep...

    and forsaken dating makes sense... stop questioning the poor artworks...
    maybe watching zombie movies? Most of those movies they are mindless and don;t react if you shoot them or otherwise attack them.

    I checked the folder I keep wow art and pics I like it's at 1,003 files and 250MBS, time to see if I have any repeats I guess.


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