1. #1761
    Just dinged 85.

    Is tier 11 pieces bis pre-raid? Does someone have any decent pre-raid 4.2 items list?

  2. #1762
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevoman View Post
    The OP needs to be updated to reflect 4.2 secondary stat scalings.

    They are extremely close to each other. There's not really a clear-cut best until you are getting close to the 390 levels, at which point haste pulls marginally ahead, or if you are holding onto 2T11, in which cast mastery is slightly ahead. Crit, haste, and hit/expertise cap builds are all pretty much up in the air, at least in the low and mid gear levels, simming out to less than 200 DPS difference between each other in Mew, with a standard deviation of something ridiculous like ~500. For those of you not well versed in statistics, that more or less means they are all equal most of the time. Info here:

    http://fluiddruid.net/2011/06/4-2-an...condary-stats/

    I personally have switched to a build that caps hit/exp and then prefers haste. Perhaps this is 10 dps less on a Patchwerk than what I had before, but I think it's going to be much stronger on Beth'tilac and Alysrazor. We shall see how it goes on Monday...
    Any fight you swipe on (beth'tilac if you're on the ground) hit and exp become much more important, since you don't get an energy refund on a missed swipe, and mobs you're swiping will often be facing you.

    On Alysrazor haste is not as good as other stats as you will be running around a fair bit without attacking (and in the burnout phase you will have berserk up).

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    Mihir can you please at least update the primary stats weight-agi/wep dps.How much is 1 agi and 1 wep dps?

  4. #1764
    Anymore tricks for staghelm on where to be able to shred? Guild is yelling at me for not eating the damage but I was trying to find the shred spot, although like someone said earlier, to his far left seems like its working the best.
    Last edited by Avenn; 2011-07-18 at 01:21 AM. Reason: may have found shred spot

  5. #1765
    I found the claws as his stack point will allow you to shred and still take cleave dmg.
    Might take some adjusting but shudnt be much of an issue if you dont take that first cleave since there is so much time until the second one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenn View Post
    Anymore tricks for staghelm on where to be able to shred? Guild is yelling at me for not eating the damage but I was trying to find the shred spot, although like someone said earlier, to his far left seems like its working the best.
    Get really friendly with his armpit. Basically, if you align yourself right behind his pincer without getting quite in front of it, and get deep into his hit box you can shred with no problem and help soak the damage. You may miss the first distributed damage getting into position, but that first strike is relatively tame so shouldn't present any issue. This seems to be a really good fight for feral dps - I actually beat out the rest of our group in both DPS and damage done.

    Finally got him down tonight and our other kitty wasn't able to make it, so my hopes were high for Fandral's, but alas - no luck... On the bright side, picked up the trinket and shoulders

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    Anyone else having trouble with Mew since they added the import function? It isn't generating stat values for me

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    Generate relative stat values is now turned off by default. So you'll have to enable it yourself.

    ---------- Post added 2011-07-18 at 01:18 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Healingftw View Post
    Mihir can you please at least update the primary stats weight-agi/wep dps.How much is 1 agi and 1 wep dps?
    With my current gear (ilvl378), I get a 6.4 for weapon dps, 3.8 for agi and 1.3 for the secondary stats.

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    Mihir, I really appreciate the effort put into compiling this guide, it is incredibly insightful and helpful.

    But could you update the sections on Hit/Expertise and shed some light on why with 4.2 they have become such valuable stats for feral DPS? This still confuses me.

    Thanks, my feline friend!

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    Multiple reasons. The buffs to savage roar and shred, the loss of 2T11 reducing bleed damage, 2T12 increasing shred damage even further, all contribute to the value of hit and expertise.
    Last edited by mmoc2e7b040398; 2011-07-18 at 11:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihir View Post
    Multiple reasons. The buffs to savage roar and shred, the loss of 2T11 reducing bleed damage, 2T12 increasing shred damage even further, all contribute to the value of hit and expertise.
    Great, thanks dude!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihir View Post
    Generate relative stat values is now turned off by default. So you'll have to enable it yourself.
    Ah! Thank you

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    Guide update - BiS lists for Firelands

    2.10.1 Gear list

    BiS:

    Head: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71488/x - H: Ragnaros
    Neck: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71610/c - H: Ragnaros
    Shoulder: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71490/o - H: Majordomo Staghelm
    Back: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71415/d - H: Lord Rhyolith
    Chest: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71486/o - H: Alysrazor
    Wrist: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71428/o of the Windflurry (256 agi, 170 haste, 170 crit) - H: Alysrazor
    Hands: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71487/o - H: Baleroc
    Waist: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71641/b - Trash + Firestone
    Legs: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71402/c - H: Beth'tilac
    Feet: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71467/s - H: Majordomo Staghelm
    Finger: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71216/v - Avengers of Hyjal
    Finger: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71401/w - H: Beth'tilac
    Trinket: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69150/m - H: Ragnaros
    Trinket: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69112/t - H: Majordomo Staghelm
    Weapon: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71466/f - H: Majordomo Staghelm
    Relic: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71567/c - Valor + Firestone

    Pre-Ragnaros HC:

    Head: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71416/x - H: Lord Rhyolith
    Neck: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71354/c - N: Ragnaros
    Legs: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71489/c - H: Shannox
    Trinket: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/68994/m - N: Ragnaros

    Pre-Firelands HC

    Head: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71098/x - N: Ragnaros
    Neck: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71354/c - N: Ragnaros
    Shoulder: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71101/o - N: Majordomo Staghelm
    Back: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/70992/d - N: Lord Rhyolith
    Chest: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71100/o - VP
    Wrist: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/70735/o of the Windflurry (227 agi, 151 haste, 151 crit) - N: Alysrazor
    Hands: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71097/o - VP
    Waist: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/60231/b - Sinestra
    Legs: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71031/c - N: Beth'tilac
    Feet: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69951/s - LW
    Finger: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71216/v - Avengers of Hyjal
    Finger: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71032/w - N: Beth'tilac
    Trinket: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/68994/m - N: Ragnaros
    Trinket: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/59520/t - Bastion of Twilight Trash
    Weapon: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69897/f - N: Majordomo Staghelm
    Relic: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/71146/c - Valor

  14. #1774
    Is the general assumption regarding T12 to get Helm + Shoulders + Chest + Gloves, leaving Legs as the off-piece? If so, why?

    Based on the stats:
    T12 Gloves:
    --- +282 Agility
    --- +454 Stamina
    --- +177 Crit
    --- +205 Haste

    T12 Helm:
    --- +348 Agility
    --- +611 Stamina
    --- +265 Hit
    --- +213 Crit

    T12 Legs:
    --- +368 Agility
    --- +611 Stamina
    --- +166 Hit
    --- +310 Mastery

    T12 Chest:
    --- +368 Agility
    --- +611 Stamina
    --- +275 Crit
    --- +221 Expertise

    T12 Shoulders:
    --- +282 Agility
    --- +454 Stamina
    --- +157 Crit
    --- +216 Mastery

    Not counting socket bonuses, it seems like if the trend is to shy away from Mastery more and more, either the Legs or the Shoulders would be worth using something else. I'm guessing that the off-set legs have better itemization than the off-set shoulders?

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    becase the feral druid T12 legs are under budget on stat values if you compare it to the rouge T12 or the offset legs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elunedra View Post
    becase the feral druid T12 legs are under budget on stat values if you compare it to the rouge T12 or the offset legs
    Tbh, I don't think it is optimal strategy. Difference between T12H legs and Beth's ilvl 391 legs is lower then difference between T12N helm and ilvl 391 Ryolith's helm, and somehow I feel we won't see T12H helm in the near future. So, for progress gearing will be optimal to take Shannox' heroic leg token and Ryo's helm, as they are easiest hc bosses, and go for 4t12 + head offset.

  17. #1777
    Quick question... What would be better to start kitty dps with DMC:Hurricane or the Alchemist stone?

  18. #1778
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragekitty View Post
    Is the general assumption regarding T12 to get Helm + Shoulders + Chest + Gloves, leaving Legs as the off-piece? If so, why?

    Based on the stats:
    T12 Gloves:
    --- +282 Agility
    --- +454 Stamina
    --- +177 Crit
    --- +205 Haste

    T12 Helm:
    --- +348 Agility
    --- +611 Stamina
    --- +265 Hit
    --- +213 Crit

    T12 Legs:
    --- +368 Agility
    --- +611 Stamina
    --- +166 Hit
    --- +310 Mastery

    T12 Chest:
    --- +368 Agility
    --- +611 Stamina
    --- +275 Crit
    --- +221 Expertise

    T12 Shoulders:
    --- +282 Agility
    --- +454 Stamina
    --- +157 Crit
    --- +216 Mastery

    Not counting socket bonuses, it seems like if the trend is to shy away from Mastery more and more, either the Legs or the Shoulders would be worth using something else. I'm guessing that the off-set legs have better itemization than the off-set shoulders?
    Going by the default 6.4/3.8/1.3 stat values posted a few posts back ( http://www.wowhead.com/items?filter=...3:1.3:1.3;gb=1 ) you see that the nonset legs are 3.27 ahead of the set legs, while the closest contender, gloves, are only 2.2 ahead of the set gloves (1.42 for shoulders, 0.23 for chest, and tier head is best head).

    Valuing mastery at 1.4 and the others at 1.3 gives you http://www.wowhead.com/items?filter=...3:1.3:1.3;gb=1, putting the legs at 3.2, hands at 3.02.

    Valuing haste at 1.4 and the others at 1.3 gives you http://www.wowhead.com/items?filter=...3:1.3:1.3;gb=1, putting the legs at 4.0, hands at 1.37.

    ---------- Post added 2011-07-18 at 08:05 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithfin View Post
    Tbh, I don't think it is optimal strategy. Difference between T12H legs and Beth's ilvl 391 legs is lower then difference between T12N helm and ilvl 391 Ryolith's helm, and somehow I feel we won't see T12H helm in the near future. So, for progress gearing will be optimal to take Shannox' heroic leg token and Ryo's helm, as they are easiest hc bosses, and go for 4t12 + head offset.
    Ofcourse, hence the "pre-rag hc" items in the gear list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathanistic View Post
    Quick question... What would be better to start kitty dps with DMC:Hurricane or the Alchemist stone?
    If you're an Alchemist anyway, take the stone, though just about any 346 trinket is better. I wouldn't spend anything for the DMC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathanistic View Post
    Quick question... What would be better to start kitty dps with DMC:Hurricane or the Alchemist stone?
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