The Cat Guide - 4.3

[Deleted]

I don't think Windfury/Icy Talons/Hunting Party have granted you energy regen on any live patch ever.

However Hero/BL have started granting it since 4.2 I believe. I've also seen rogues mention the same about the troll racial Berserking.
Should be the same for druids but you never know (remember shadowmeld differencies between feral and rogue?)

[MasterNewbie]

I'm just going off my in-game spreadsheet.

Haste is at 7.29% 10.20 e/s
shaman drops WFT
Haste is at 17.35% 10.20 e/s

Interesting, so Blizzard is inconsistent with tooltips. It would seem that the 10% haste buff is a different type of haste buff than lust/berserking, according to wowhead. I guess I've been treating it wrong, and it will take more than 1170 haste rating for 1 more energy per second.

[Deleted]

Also seems the haste from Berserking is multiplicative, not additive. So if you have 0% haste, Berserking will increase haste to 20%, but if you already have 20% haste, Berserking will increase haste to 44%. (not sure how this interacts with bloodlust/windfury)

[Deleted]

Heroism/Bloodlust is giving Energy regen since the begining of Cata not since 4.2.

[gearhead417]

most raid buffs dont effect energy regen because energy regen isnt effected by anything other than short buffs and gear

[calibro]

We changed the Glyph of Shred so that Feral druids wouldn’t need to vary their rotation in situations where they could not Shred (such as on Ultraxion).

/sadkitty
Doesn't Greg understand? In situations where we can't Shred we will be sat.

[Machida]

/sadkitty
Doesn't Greg understand? In situations where we can't Shred we will be sat.

Time to gear up my moonkin set I guess , silly blizzard

[Duilliath]

Simple question:

How would Glyph of Mangle compare to Glyph of Berserk on Ultraxion?

[Cutedruid]

/e, nvm. forgot the change that'll be added in 4.3

[Deleted]

Simple question:

How would Glyph of Mangle compare to Glyph of Berserk on Ultraxion?

edit:

Using the most recent build of mew:

4T12
GoR: 933
GoBe: 833
GoM: 762
GoBl: 628
GoTF: 339
GoSR: 198

2T12+2T13:
GoR: 961
GoBe: 690
GoM: 682
GoBl: 464
GoTF: 352
GoSR: 220

4T13:
GoR: 983
GoM: 652
GoBe: 650
GoTF: 509
GoBl: 402
GoSR: 217

Looks like we won't even be using the new part of glyph of bloodletting.................

4ever glyph of shred

[Elunedra]

hmm thats annoying as its hard ot squeze in FB's if you dont get the extra 6 secs

[Deleted]

Won't be a big issue when you get 2T13 as you can then use FB to refresh Rip from 60% onwards.

[Ledonn]

So even now GoShred is behind GoMangle or are those proposed numbers for when 4.3 goes live?

[Duilliath]

Okay. I did not expect -that- outcome. I'm guessing, neither did Blizzard, otherwise they'd not even have mentioned that glyph change.

[Hinalover]

Hey Mihir, can you double check the dps value of Glyph of Tiger's Fury in T13 4-piece? I know in Rawr it's coming up as being the third glyph to use (behind Rake and Berserk)

[Braindwen]

4T13:
GoR: 983
GoM: 652
GoBe: 650
GoTF: 509

From that list he posted. I'm not sure if shredding instead would change anything else, but I doubt it'd cover the 100 dps difference between TF and Bl, and for normal fights GoMangle will be much less valuable than 652 dps. TF should be the 3rd glyph for normal fights based on that, with Mangle swapped in for TF for Ultraxion.

Wait a tick, those top 3 glyphs are my usual bear tanking glyphs! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooo! (now I just need to spec BitW).

[axxey]

The 3 second shorter CD on your free ravage from 4pc I imagine being worth it by itself, TF CD changing actually changes how you execute rotation some as well however.
TF glyph is also VERY dependant on being able to 100% uptime on boss when you hit it, being able to hit it the second comes off CD to make glyph worth anything.

[Arctagon]

I haven't been updated on this front since patch 4.1, so any answered questions is appreciated.

Is it worth taking Glyph of Ferocious Bite now? I don't see what harm it could do swapping it with Glyph of Faerie Fire.

I heard Unheeded Warning had lost its value by quite a bit (1926 AP replacing 680 weapon damage), but I reckon it's still superior to blue trinkets? Or well, I just need to know whether its place in the trinket list in the guide is updated and correct at the moment.

If I were to use Glyph og Tiger's Fury, would it be worth waiting those few seconds after falling off to reapply Rip, so that I can strengthen it with TF?

Lastly, the major question, or problem if you want. I just downloaded the new version of Mew, and I can certainly tell it has changed since last time I used it. I wanted to see where my DPS was on a training dummy with my outdated gear and itemisation, using no buffs. When I compared it to Mew, it turned out to be a rather significant discrepancy. Whereas I got 16k DPS in-game the first time and 17.2k DPS the second time, Mew simulates approximately 14750 DPS as optimal.

Here is the report:

{BonusArmor=0, WeaponSpeed=100000, Strength=116, Talent.Survival Instincts=1, BloodInTheWaterTime=0.25, Buff.UnholyFrenzy=false, Debuff.Armor=true, Mew.Class=yawning.mew.cat.CatModelSimulation, Buff.Crit=true, Talent.Pulverize=0, Talent.Perseverance=0, Glyph of Mangle=false, Talent.Berserk=1, Target.CastInterval=0, Bug.BerserkProcRate=true, Stamina=5180, Talent.Heart of the Wild=3, Simulator.Rebirth=false, Glyph of Frenzied Regeneration=false, DodgeRating=0, Talent.Fury Swipes=3, Talent.Primal Fury=2, TalentSpec=Feral Combat, Simulator.Threads=0, Buff.DarkIntent=false, Buff.MajorHaste=false, Buff.Stamina=false, Buff.PhysicalDamageIncoming=false, Simulator.PrePotion=false, Simulator.FeralChargeTravelTime=2, Talent.Endless Carnage=2, Talent.Furor=2, Target.CastLength=0, Debuff.SpellVuln=false, Pivot.StatScale=0, Simulator.AssumeExternalBleed=false, Talent.Thick Hide=0, Glyph of Berserk=false, Buff.TricksOfTheTrade=false, Pivot.GenerateRsv=false, Glyph of Shred=true, MetaGem=Agile, Buff.APMult=false, Glyph of Lacerate=false, Debuff.SpellCrit=false, Talent.Feral Aggression=2, Race=Tauren, Talent.Predatory Strikes=2, Simulator.PRNG=org.apache.commons.math.random.Well19937c, Buff.StatMult=false, Talent.Stampede=2, HasteRating=672, Talent.Blood in the Water=2, MasteryRating=1814, Talent.Master Shapeshifter=1, Talent.Natural Reaction=0, ExpertiseRating=243, Procs.items=59520, Simulator.StrategyArg=, Debuff.PhysVuln=false, Simulator.AssumeExternalFF=false, Talent.Feral Swiftness=2, Buff.AgiStr=false, Level=85, Bug.GlyphOfShredSimCraft=false, Debuff.BleedDmg=true, Simulator.Iterations=10000, Glyph of Rip=true, Simulator.Tranquility=false, Armor=10121, Tier_12_4pc=false, Simulator.DurationJitter=0, Talent.Feral Charge=1, Agility=4502, Glyph of Tiger's Fury=true, Tier_12_2pc=false, Simulator.AggressiveFeralCharge=true, AttackPower=445, WeaponTop=62331, ArmorSpec=true, Simulator.HighResHz=false, Bug.PooledProcEffects=true, Simulator.Duration=200, WeaponBottom=62329, Debuff.ShatteringThrow=false, Simulator.GenerateLog=false, Buff.SpellHaste=false, Tier_11_4pc=false, Class=Druid, Simulator.AssumeExternalMangle=false, Talent.Primal Madness=2, Buff.MeleeHaste=false, Glyph of Savage Roar=false, Talent.Rend and Tear=3, Talent.Leader of the Pack=1, Glyph of Feral Charge=true, Simulator.FrontalAttacks=false, HitRating=649, Tier_11_2pc=true, Pivot.ReseedPRNG=false, Talent.Infected Wounds=0, Talent.King of the Jungle=3, PvP_gloves=false, Buff.DamageMult=false, Talent.Brutal Impact=2, Buff.Armor=false, CritRating=1317}

DPS: 14755.29059 +/- 8.6428
Min/Max DPS: 13182.175 / 16484.51
StdDev: 440.95926

DPS (> 25%): 14464.97518
DPS (< 25%): 15626.23684

Resource Stats:
 Energy:
  Energy gained: 2586.1357
   Passive: 2105
   King of the Jungle: 420
   Primal Madness: 61.1357
    Average energy gain: 6.79286
  Energy overflow: 6.8116
  Energy spent: 2669.1187
  Omen of Clarity:
   Nr. OoC procs: 10.4504
    Procs spent: 10.4141
    Procs wasted: 0.0224
   Effective PPM: 3.13512
   Average energy return: 33.16974
  Berserk:
   Nr. Berserks: 2
   Average duration: 14.41186 sec
   Uptime: 14.41186%
  Effective regen. rate: 17.50917 e/s
 Combo Points:
  Combo Points gained: 105.5335
   Primal Fury: 28.7513
  Combo Points overflow: 20.9443
  Combo Points spent: 82.4853
  Gen. rate: 0.52767 cp/s

Ability Overview:
 White Attack damage: 17.14195%
  Uptime: 93.73877%
  Swing timer: 0.9664 sec
 Fury Swipes damage: 3.11457%
  Interval: 9.87479 sec
 Ravage damage: 5.56744%
 Mangle damage: 1.30731%
  Energy spent: 4.94887%
  OoC spent: 2.94535%
  DPE: 257.33644
 Shred damage: 24.9533%
  Energy spent: 53.77878%
  OoC spent: 83.77654%
  DPE: 332.37269
 Rake damage: 18.81944%
  Energy spent: 18.41591%
  OoC spent: 4.54811%
  DPE: 977.25108
 Rip damage: 24.28865%
  Energy spent: 6.74509%
  OoC spent: 3.92203%
  CPs spent: 41.06267%
  DPE: 2422.87041
 Ferocious Bite damage: 4.80733%
  Energy spent: 7.48803%
  OoC spent: 3.49781%
  CPs spent: 36.25341%
  DPE: 542.64085
 Savage Roar:
  Energy spent: 6.00059%
  CPs spent: 22.68392%
  DPE: 1314.39691

Tiger's Fury:
 Nr. Tiger's Furys: 7
 Interval: 28.57143 sec
 Uptime: 21%
 Ravage coverage: 92.62579%
 Mangle coverage: 48.62762%
 Shred coverage: 30.87995%
 Rake coverage: 52.55276%
 Rip coverage: 36.58234%
 Ferocious Bite coverage: 23.01526%

Feral Charge:
 Nr. Feral Charges: 7

Savage Roar:
 Nr. Savage Roars: 6.7021
 Average CP cost: 2.38
 Uptime: 95.22472%

Target - Yawningstrasza:
 Target Debuffs:
  Major Armor uptime: 99.61763%
  Bleed Damage uptime: 99.14773%

 White Attack:
  DPS: 2527.92437
  Nr. White Attacks: 193.9969
  Miss/Dodge/Glance/Crit/Hit: 2.62502%/4.49029%/23.93029%/33.53473%/35.41967%
  Average damage: 2606.14679

 Fury Swipes:
  DPS: 459.67454
  Nr. Fury Swipes: 19.4485
  Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 2.59739%/4.44267%/31.32254%/61.6374%
  Average damage: 4727.23574

 Ravage:
  DPS: 821.25785
  Nr. Ravages: 7.5065
  Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 2.31349%/4.05709%/71.71323%/21.91619%
  Average damage: 22072.24365

 Mangle:
  DPS: 192.87105
  Nr. Mangles: 4.307
  Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 2.10755%/3.6564%/31.6402%/62.59585%
  Uptime: 99.14773%
  Average damage: 9087.41843

 Shred:
  DPS: 3684.08302
  Nr. Shreds: 54.736
  Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 2.59852%/4.41573%/31.18343%/61.80232%
  Average damage: 13477.45

 Rake:
  DPS: 2775.53754
  Direct Damage:
   DPS: 476.70834
   Nr. Rakes: 16.1017
  Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 2.43719%/4.22372%/31.40835%/61.93074%
   Average damage: 5947.42629
  DoT:
   DPS: 2298.8292
   Nr. ticks: 64.9555
   Crit/Hit: 33.51541%/66.48459%
   Average damage: 7078.18013
  Uptime: 98.7417%

 Rip:
  DPS: 3583.22577
  Nr. Rips: 7.2532
   Nr. Rips (> 25%): 7.1838
   Nr. Rips (< 25%): 0.0694
  Miss/Dodge/Hit: 2.17139%/3.87625%/93.95236%
  DoT:
   DPS: 3583.22577
   Nr. ticks: 91.1904
   Crit/Hit: 33.52074%/66.47926%
   Average damage: 7859.08534
  Uptime: 91.69352%

 Ferocious Bite:
  DPS: 710.71643
  Nr. Ferocious Bites: 6.6065
   Nr. Ferocious Bites (> 25%): 2.1347
   Nr. Ferocious Bites (< 25%): 4.4718
  Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 2.29378%/3.95038%/54.82486%/38.93098%
  Average extra energy: 14.53045
  Average damage: 21735.64968

Trinkets/Procs:
 Unheeded Warning uptime: 19.57856%


Elapsed Time: 11.827833523 seconds

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could point out wrong settings or whatnot. I wouldn't mind recommendations on which settings to use, either, if I'm using sub-optimal ones.

Edit: Mew doesn't account for one of my trinkets' procs, because it's not in the list, but that shouldn't cover the considerable difference in DPS alone.

[Nathanyel]

Glyph of Ferocious Bite that glyph? Nah
(edit: tooltip may or may not work, anyway, check it, glyph was changed)

[Arctagon]

That's exactly why I brought it up. Because it was changed. I'd rather use GoFB occasionally heal myself, than use a glyph (GoFFire) that I don't really need.