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    What for we need resilence now?

    Well I think many of you know what I want to tell you.
    I just want to ask as rogue - do we still need gladiator's set while we're getting 2 shotted by casting classes. Even leather specialisation skill (passive) do not giving much in that case.
    I just want to ask as many frustrated players - do you want to see the PvE scum on battlegrounds? It became more than plague since 4.0.1.

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    talent tree and skills are set for 85lvl and HP pool on 85lvl - 70-80K HP. Resilence reduce incoming dmg = imho still will be important for pvp.

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    Ok, everything lloking great - more health etc.
    But - higher lvl = more damage. So watching PTR videos and seeing mage with 80k hp (!) dealing oustraegious hits not giving me any good vievs for the future.

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    Ofc you still need resi, your getting 2 shot by caster classes cos you dont have any lol. Rogues are so OP vs casters atm its a joke.

    And if your talking about Leather Specialization, the talent it means your A. Playing combat which fails and B. Leather Specialization increases armourwhich means it wont do shit vs a caster.

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    well i played too in pve gear with my mage, but the amount of +damage wasn't worth the survivability with decent pvp gear... i used to lead the "deaths list" and thats it, I think no class can say there are even better in pve gear because even if some warrior thinks "Now i have shadowmourne i melt faces in Bg" but in the end he lies at my feet because hes eating 11k Pyros instead of 6 k, he hurts if he gets close to yeah but you hurt him more ^^. Same with rogues, if you get behind pve caster i bet you are very able to kill them in garrote silence, so what?

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    Did you just seriously refer to a gigantic portion of the playerbase as 'PvE scum' lol?


    As for your actual topic, you do know that stacking resilience can currently give around 60% dmg reduction? I can't remember the exact number due to the buffs/nerfed, but it's pretty high, and should solve that 2 shotting problem you're having.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpi View Post
    well i played too in pve gear with my mage, but the amount of +damage wasn't worth the survivability with decent pvp gear... i used to lead the "deaths list" and thats it, I think no class can say there are even better in pve gear because even if some warrior thinks "Now i have shadowmourne i melt faces in Bg" but in the end he lies at my feet because hes eating 11k Pyros instead of 6 k, he hurts if he gets close to yeah but you hurt him more ^^. Same with rogues, if you get behind pve caster i bet you are very able to kill them in garrote silence, so what?
    I don't get whether you are saying that we need resilience or not with this answer.

    Anyway, I believe resilience will be important in pvp still. Relative damage / Health Pools won't be increasing much in PvP, nor will Reletive Healing / Health. If you dont have the damage reduction from resilience you are less likely to be kept alive by healers since they wont be getting you from 10% to 90% in one heal anymore.

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    you could switch to your PVE equip and even gain some 500 HP if your gear is fine, but still resilience has been buffed for doulbe effect, so taking it off my get you ONE shotted instead of twoshotted, so yeah its your choice.

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    omg, its everytime before (TBC WOTLK CATA) datadisk come...., is time when game isnt balanced... u have new skills, but old gear and old HP..., it say nothing, and video from BETA isnt relevant information, because they didnt gear in new PVP gear.

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    rogues still cut me down in a stun lock when i'm wearing 1.2k resi. Feels like its literally impossible, unless I have a pocket healer and the rogue has no CD's.
    Hearing rogue qq atm about pvp brings me to tears.. there is little rogues can complain about in pvp atm.
    just wait till level 85, when things might be a little more balanced

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    I play a warrior in 4pc wrathful and all off-pieces being PvP-pieces as well. I'm taking 5k crits and in worst cases I'm taking 7k crits. And I also feel a huge difference when I'm hitting someone in PvE-gear compared to PvP-gear. Take yesterday for instance, I got into a WSG and I see a priest with 22k HP, I use MS and Heroic Strike and he's eating the dust. Next opponent is a mage in PvE-gear, 33k HP. Mortal Strike, Heroic Strike and a white hit later he's biting the dust. Then I face a priest in relentless with about 35k hp, he survives for about 25 seconds with my highest crit on him being 6k, so resilience makes a huge difference.

    Oh, and another case - A Holy Paladin in PvE-gear picked up our flag with 4 others around him. I charge in, Intimidating shout, Throw Down, Heroic Strike, Mortal Strike and repeat. The Holy Paladin died within the time it took for any of the 4 others to trinket and get on me.

    TL;DR - Resilience is IMPORTANT.
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    Actually at the moment if you stacked something like 1600+ resil you become near unkillable.
    Perhaps you are using too much pve gear.

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    the damage in cata dont scale as much as you think, I did a rogue and at 85 im doing 20-30k evis (I play feral on live so i dunno what a rogue gets inm ICC items atm as combat) but my m8 kept saying the crits was average, i get like 8k - 10k sinisters to. So... at 85 everything is ok :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desirie View Post
    I'm taking 5k crits and in worst cases I'm taking 7k crits.
    Suppose you haven't met a fire/arcane mage or destro lock?
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    Jonaro - If your respond base on watching armory when I have PvE gear on me giving nothing to this topic.

    proVoke - Well maybe I did not precise. fighting 1vs1 it's not so bad. The worst thing is when crowd fighting on massive BG like IoC, AV

    Moshy - Only Ashen Verdict ring

    Vudu - My tooltip showing 34,96% dmg reduction at 1236 resi. Got active all bonusses with resi. It's not like 60%?

    Sorry for late respond but work, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyok View Post
    Jonaro - If your respond base on watching armory when I have PvE gear on me giving nothing to this topic.

    proVoke - Well maybe I did not precise. fighting 1vs1 it's not so bad. The worst thing is when crowd fighting on massive BG like IoC, AV

    Moshy - Only Ashen Verdict ring

    Vudu - My tooltip showing 34,96% dmg reduction at 1236 resi. Got active all bonusses with resi. It's not like 60%?

    Sorry for late respond but work, you know.

    so your issues arise when you get "2 shotted" by 6 guys "when crowd fighting on massive BG like IoC, AV"

    is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nose Nuggets View Post
    so your issues arise when you get "2 shotted" by 6 guys "when crowd fighting on massive BG like IoC, AV"

    is that right?
    Did you understand my 1st post? Getting huge damage from C.A.S.T.E.R.S. Or maybe recount lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyok View Post
    Did you understand my 1st post? Getting huge damage from C.A.S.T.E.R.S. Or maybe recount lies.

    huh? when did i say it wasn't casters?

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    Uh, the rogue got twoshotted....it's not so funny, is it?

    Welcome to the game we've played for the last 2 years.

    Really, do not QQ, just wait, u'll return the one that stunlock all clothy soon, u do not have to start L2P.

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    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...fist&cn=Fierce

    I'm not seeing any issues in pvp with full resi gear on, I'm not stacking resi to anything outside of what is on my gear already, and I feel like I can survive forever against everyone, I suppose my sub spec having Imp. Recuperate on top of my resilience helps, but all in all, I feel fine in battlegrounds.

    Also, don't forget, @ level 81, you gain: http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=74001 , so yeah...

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