Upcoming Tanking Changes Compilation, Blue Posts

[Computereasy]

...about those bear nerfs...I'm a muthafuggin bear you can't nerf me! The hell you doin? When a bear comes charging at you, you don't say "oh I just nerfed you so we are even now!" ...no...you f**kin run mmmk? I'M A BEAR! #1 THREAT TO AMERICA! SUCK IT!

[DrgnDancer]

And here I thought due to our lack of block and parry bears were SUPPOSED to have more health...

We have dodge that is generally equal to or even greater than the combined dodge+parry of other tanks. We have Savage Defense to make up for lack of Shield Block. All tanks are essentially equal right now. The mechanic are different (which is good), but the effect is the same. Mitigation is effectively equal across all tanking classes. We don't need more health and armor anymore. If they screw up the numbers and mitigation for one class gets OP (for instance as seems to have happened with Savage Defense), it's better to adjust the offending ability then too try to balance around "Well he has less mitigation of physical, but more mitigation of magical, and he has less mitigation in general, but more health, and he has..."

[Deleted]

ultima savage defence has been nerfed i meant to have more hp to compensate for the lack of mitagation and i pull 15-30k tps so im good for your guide

[twinkleblur]

hmm what do you mean the bosss are too easy? ok..SOME of the bosses are too easy BoT is easy infact its probibly the easiest raid on the beta 1st 3 bosses are pretty easy and maybe they need a slight buff but after doing BWD and To4W thats not the case. there are some pretty tough bosses.

[Eras]

Bears tanking.. only have dodge and Savage defense (which works like block)... ok
Bear 50% dodge, 0 % parry, Savage Defense (currently procs alot.. it blocks about 75% Physical damage on NEXT attack) and absorbs about 40% physical damage in a fight like Festergut.

Warrior 25% dodge, 25% parry, 25% block + Mastery to block more and crit block.

Bears loosing HP really worries me, and with Nerfing Savage Defense it can probably proc less now then Say Warrior Shield block, if it does then only defense we have is dodge.

Kind of sucks to see this kind of nerfs, Ok nerfed Savage defense and its proc rate.. Why remove all HP? we still will be getting hit for more.

[theturn]

So why no blue post on the fact that anyone who gets the digital dl won't be getting ANY cinematics....including the in game ones. Seems like something you would want people to know about before spending 40 bucks.

[nilnar]

So why no blue post on the fact that anyone who gets the digital dl won't be getting ANY cinematics....including the in game ones. Seems like something you would want people to know about before spending 40 bucks.

Care to elaborate?

[theturn]

Care to elaborate?

I shouldn't have too and thats the point. It should be on the front page.

In short anyone who dl through the digital upgrade will not recieve a cinematics folder. Blizz has said just go to thier youtube page and watch them. Now I haven't paid for the dl but i was going to. When i heard this I decided unless they change this im going with a box. And others should know about this before they pay then realize come cata they have no cinematics.

[DrgnDancer]

I shouldn't have too and thats the point. It should be on the front page.

In short anyone who dl through the digital upgrade will not recieve a cinematics folder. Blizz has said just go to thier youtube page and watch them. Now I haven't paid for the dl but i was going to. When i heard this I decided unless they change this im going with a box. And others should know about this before they pay then realize come cata they have no cinematics.

I'd really like to see a source for that (Can't search the official forums at work.) Doesn't make a lot of sense in my mind. Cinema tics are relative bandwidth trivial compared to the whole game.

[Cobenn]

Wow blizz. are you retarded? So now my prot paladin will have the same amount of health as my feral tank? yet my paladins can parry and block? GG, fucking tards

[McFrotton]

Lol tank are streamlined yet they dont want to homogenized the classes too much, anyone know what happened here too many people QQed about the other class being better and when there class was better it was the other class (the former OP one) that QQ about the other buff so now they arent the best.

I hope this will give a good lesson to every QQer, the more you QQ the more class will look the same its the only way to balance the game lol.

Still its sad the class are lookin more and more similar

---------- Post added 2010-10-29 at 04:16 PM ----------

Wow blizz. are you retarded? So now my prot paladin will have the same amount of health as my feral tank? yet my paladins can parry and block? GG, fucking tards

read my post (above) this is what QQ between class will lead to this is what will kill wow someday not the game itself but the community will self-destruct the game by QQing

QQ sudden death started 6 yrs ago lol

[Spotnick]

Uh. 80k in beta at 85?! My Paladin has 80k+ in IC25 fully buffed. o0

Your paladin also have a 30% HP buff in ICC.

[mimee]

Is it possible to increase the droprate of ZG mounts before it's removed?
No. (Source)

Blizzard bunch of assholes
---- they dont understand the amount of TIME some of us have spent in there - like its gonna hurt so much to increase the damn drop rate for a month.
And the flying on top of ZG and bugging the place - Corola10 - your a dumbass.. They could easily add a barrier like when you go out to sea and you hit a wall.. Theres many ways around that.

And NO they wont add these mounts in the future. its logic.

[Tychus]

Vigilance seems completely useless now, even more than before. It might be "kinda ok" for the dual-tank trope but as other tanks don't have it, they won't balance those fights assuming it's present. Free TP to go somewhere fun.

[mrwingtipshoes]

Blizzard bunch of assholes
---- they dont understand the amount of TIME some of us have spent in there - like its gonna hurt so much to increase the damn drop rate for a month.
And the flying on top of ZG and bugging the place - Corola10 - your a dumbass.. They could easily add a barrier like when you go out to sea and you hit a wall.. Theres many ways around that.

Random number generator is random. Nothing based on RNG is 100%. It's part of the game.

And NO they wont add these mounts in the future. its logic.

which is not what they said a week ago but what ever, you know all.

[nilnar]

I shouldn't have too and thats the point. It should be on the front page.

In short anyone who dl through the digital upgrade will not recieve a cinematics folder. Blizz has said just go to thier youtube page and watch them. Now I haven't paid for the dl but i was going to. When i heard this I decided unless they change this im going with a box. And others should know about this before they pay then realize come cata they have no cinematics.

Isn't that just so that people can't watch the videos before release, and they will be able to download the cinematic on release, just not beforehand? Have you got a source on this?

[Radyor]

What's the point in playing a bear tank then? If it feels and plays the same as warrior but misses all the glory of shiny armor, badass weapons and shiled, rather being stuck in the same form from level 10 to infinity and beyond.. I could come up with excuse before, "im feral tank because i like its unique combat style and i love to rely on huge HP pool rather than avoidance", now i have nothing to put in defense of bear :[

I think this poster is right on the money. I also believe that the different tanks should be all equally capable. I have never played a druid tank, but I have tanked a lot on my warrior, paladin, DK and even a little on my shaman. Tanking sometimes just gets boring and I feel like I cant switch toons to get a fresh experience. Personally would like to see a little more design to separate the the tanks from eachother and to make them stand out. 4 tanks with 50k HP all with shield block/wall, thunderclap, swipe, consecrate...its getting redundant. Honestly, if druid tanks were given back their mitigation such as huge HP and armor it would be awesome to compare tits to the other tanks, Warrior/Blocked X amount, Druid took X amount, etc..

I think this change also hinders players motivation to learn their class. I mean if everyone is saying 'pallys are better for this fight because [?]', then of course the other tanks are gonna try to figure out why and try to shine in that area as well. (Tell us we cant and we will) As for the said concern about guilds prefering not to swap out MT's, Totally understandable yet I find that to be a weak excuse since the implementation of dual-specing.