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A guy admits to rape and gets suspended for four games.
MEANWHILE, IN REALITY WITH EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD...
They're in jail. Another perfect example of people being above the law.

Two highly intoxicated persons in a small bathroom, one's a famous NFL player, the other's an airhead twat. What could possibly go wrong?

[Confucius]

I'm insanely happy that Bears lost. Now I wont have to listen Mike Wilbon's dribble on PTI for 2 weeks about how fantastic Cutler is and how Bears' defense will stop anyone. Speaking of which, tonight's PTI will be pure gold from my POV anyway.
Steelers obviously had made their weekly payment to the Referees' Retirement Fund because some of the calls they got or that were overlooked... well, it was just laughable.

[Bamboozles]

Hanie showed more motivation in those two quarters than fukkin Cutler has in his entire career.

Which in reality is kind of sad.

Hahaha, the Jets. That was a joke.

They're really bad, aren't they. :P

I know not who I will really be pulling for. I have a man crush on both Polamalu and Rogers I think, those guys are just amazing.

Also, Rex has been a overtly pompous tool ever since he got teh HC job, lord I am glad we picked Harbaugh. THANK YOU STEVE BISCIOTTI FOR MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICE!!!! Then again, Ozzie probably had a slight say in it too, thank you Ozzie too.

I do too, which is weird cause I really should hate Rodgers because he's going against us.

A guy admits to rape and gets suspended for four games.
MEANWHILE, IN REALITY WITH EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD...
They're in jail. Another perfect example of people being above the law.

Show me where he admitted to it, pls. And when you come back with absolutely 0, I'm gonna be here waiting.

You called it. 0 yards combined receiving, and 45 yards combined on special teams. You still stand by they have good WRs? Everyone knows bears have some of the worst WRs in the league. A total of 101yd and 1td to their WRs, you see that's what happens when you have 2 pro bowl corners and a pro bowl FS, stuff gets shutdown. It would have been even less but packers decided to stop forte once cutler quit.

This will be a nice superbowl, the packers with half a team that consists of undrafted free agents vs the steelers.

Now we just need the packers to treat Ben like he treated that poor girl, that is unless you accept of his off the field doings. Honestly, hes lucky he got off as easy as he did, but fame and money is above the law.

Everyone has shitty games. The Jets' defense, which is arguably pretty good, was absolutely obliterated. 24 points in the first half? No one saw that coming.

I like the part where you think you guys somehow raped the Bears. Your "OMG STAR CORNERS PEW PEW" had trouble against Caleb Hanie, a third string qb in his first start, throwing in a playoff game. Not only did I think the Bears had a better second half, but your defense didn't even impress me.

Lol, keep bringing up the Roethlisberger jokes. It shows me that you're scared to play him after what he did last night on that final drive. Rodgers can't scramble like he can and extend the play quite as well. It'll be fun posting here when we come out over the Packers, and you blame refs.

I'm insanely happy that Bears lost. Now I wont have to listen Mike Wilbon's dribble on PTI for 2 weeks about how fantastic Cutler is and how Bears' defense will stop anyone. Speaking of which, tonight's PTI will be pure gold from my POV anyway.
Steelers obviously had made their weekly payment to the Referees' Retirement Fund because some of the calls they got or that were overlooked... well, it was just laughable.

Idiots like you don't even deserve a comment.

[Badpaladin]

You called it. 0 yards combined receiving, and 45 yards combined on special teams. You still stand by they have good WRs? Everyone knows bears have some of the worst WRs in the league. A total of 101yd and 1td to their WRs, you see that's what happens when you have 2 pro bowl corners and a pro bowl FS, stuff gets shutdown. It would have been even less but packers decided to stop forte once cutler quit.

I don't know if you saw the same game the rest of us did, the Packers, for all their merits, played pretty terribly in that game. The Bears completely shut them down once they adjusted for Greg Jennings' post runs. They were never a threat on the ground against the Bears' front seven. Yes, you had some dropped passes -- that's going to fare even worse against the Steelers, who have a far better defense than the bears. When pressured, Rodgers couldn't connect with his players.

The Packers are going to need to play much better football two weeks from now, or they don't stand a chance. Ben Roethlisberger is not Caleb Hanie.

[Gotjuice]

Go Packers!

[AdrianCC100]

Admit? Show me. I'll wait.

And when you come back with nothing, answer me this: why couldn't they even arrest him, much less charge him? (hint: no evidence whatsoever)

It's funny how it was the second time he was accused for trying to rape someone in the bathroom of a club.

[Craz]

I don't know if you saw the same game the rest of us did, the Packers, for all their merits, played pretty terribly in that game. The Bears completely shut them down once they adjusted for Greg Jennings' post runs. They were never a threat on the ground against the Bears' front seven. Yes, you had some dropped passes -- that's going to fare even worse against the Steelers, who have a far better defense than the bears. When pressured, Rodgers couldn't connect with his players.

The Packers are going to need to play much better football two weeks from now, or they don't stand a chance. Ben Roethlisberger is not Caleb Hanie.

Packers walked all over the bears on first drive, packers 2nd drive the bears defense didn't stop them, it was like 2 dropped passes and 1 just off target. After that the offense slowed down, but they didn't need to score. As the bears offense was shutdown for the first 3 quarters, bears put Hanie in, and the bears decide that at that point Forte is more of a threat, and they'll let a young inexperienced QB try and make reads and try and make the passes. Guess what it worked like a charm, because he did make bad reads and they kept Forte in check. The packers for having no running back all season put up a lot of yards on the ground vs the bears who are the #2 rush defense in the league. Yeah steelers defense is good, but last time the 2 teams met, the packers were the #1 defense in the league, and it was an offensive game 37-36 with a last min small window TD. However since the game wont be played at steelers home, they lose a bit of their defense which is the stadium. Part of the reason they allow so few points is in fact the stadium is known for being insanely hard to kick anything over 50yds. Meaning that instead of a possible 3 pts being scored the other team is forced to punt thus allowing less pts vs the steelers.

It will be a very close superbowl, once again defense will win, #1 defense vs #2 what more can you ask for. McCarthy is most likely going to do an onsides kick at some point during the game, even if packers aren't down.

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It's funny how it was the second time he was accused for trying to rape someone in the bathroom of a club.

Yeah, it's almost like people are trying to win an easy civil suit to get fast cash from someone who doesn't want bad publicity.

Oh no wait, the most logical explanation is that he goes around raping everybody. That would explain the lack of a criminal investigation, evidence, or criminal charges being brought against him.

That would explain it.

[AdrianCC100]

Yeah, it's almost like people are trying to win an easy civil suit to get fast cash from someone who doesn't want bad publicity.

Oh no wait, the most logical explanation is that he goes around raping everybody. That would explain the lack of a criminal investigation, evidence, or criminal charges being brought against him.

That would explain it.

As stated before, people with money and fame are pretty much above the law.

Look a Vick, he should have gotten 5 or more years in jail for dog fighting.. He got what 23 months?

[Bamboozles]

As stated before, people with money and fame are pretty much above the law.

Yeah, it's his thing actually. He goes around and just rapes everyone.

It's reealllyyy hypocritical of you to say that he's a rapist and such, as the Cowboys are infamous for their share of arrests and or accusations. Oh, what, those are wrong all of a sudden? Of course.

Picks time!

Packs at Steelers:

This is by far the hardest game for me to pick, simply because both teams when they come out to play - are simply amazing. I guess that's why they're in the Super Bowl, yes?

I'm gonna do something a little different, and give the edge to different categories this week. Here. We. Go!

Packers Offense - Steelers Defense

Steelers.

Steelers defense. Those numbers just don't lie. Polamalu isn't playing very well, but his on-field presence is what's making this team go right now. Not only did we lead the league in sacks, we have the best LB core in the league. Hands. Down.

Our secondary is finally starting to show it's colours, and are making some pretty sick plays.

That being said, the Packers offense is pretty great too. Rodgers is a QB that should be mentioned with the "elite" squad (Tom, Peyton) for his efforts this year alone. His ability to scramble in the pocket and extend the play is pretty awesome too.

I said it once and I'll say it again - the Packs WR core just isn't that impressive, especially from what I saw against Chicago. If they bring that kind of effort again, they're going to get trounced and it'll be over in the first half.

Steelers Offense - Packers Defense

Packers.

This one was tough. Ben's ability to scramble and extend the plays is absolutely ridiculous and makes Rodgers look like a mere beginner in comparison. His throws to secure a trip to the Super Bowl on Sunday were remarkable. Good thing, too, as he didn't show up for most of the second half. The Steelers' WR Comp is legit, with most of them being 1 / 2 / 3 year guys just learning from guys like Ward and Randle El. Wallace is having a terrific season, Brown makes clutch catches when he has to and Sanders has the ability to be a game changer. I can't speak highly enough of these guys.

That being said, the Packers' corners are insane. Their entire secondary is insane, to be honest. While they don't really have a guy like Troy, or a QB like Ben, their secondary makes up for it and was just behind the Steelers in PPG-A. These guys bring it every game (Chicago excluded) and can read QB's plays before they even happen.

Sorry Steelers, but the Packers get it here.

Rodgers - Big Ben:

Roethlisberger.

They're both amazing at extending the plays and letting receivers get open, no question. They're both amazing at scrambling with a guy on them and still not panicking, and making an easy toss for positive yards. Ben is just better at doing these things, and he's a veteran. He's been here before - twice. Rodgers doesn't know what it's like to walk into a Super Bowl atmosphere and not let the fans / crowd get to you. Roethlisberger knows exactly what that's like, which is why I'm giving the edge to him here.

It could be argued that Rodgers is a better QB - sure, I'd go against you for hours and hours, but it could be argued. I think there's a mutual agreement that Ben's the better clutch QB though.

Starks - Mendenhall:

Mendenhall.

Did anyone else see the half that Mendenhall had against the Jets? Holy shit, I didn't think we had talent like that at RB. I knew he was really underrated and extremely talented, but daaaayuummm. He made that Jets defense look silly.

Not only that, the Steelers completely obliterated everyone on defense this year. Our RYPG-A set records, and you'd have to go back to when there was no forward pass to find a better team. I think that speaks for itself.

I could compare the Steelers LB / Packers LB core, but it'd be silly. The Packers really only have 1 - 2 threats which Ben should easily avoid. The Steelers lead the league in sacks and toxic differential, which everyone unanimously agrees is what wins teams Super Bowls.

I compared the major positions, now it's time for who wins.

Winner of the Super Bowl:

The Green Ba..

Kidding.

Steelers.

I'm not going to give a long, winded answer for this one but rather a couple of words that you may all know:

Troy. Polamalu.

Thanks guys, and good luck Packers in the Super Bowl!

[Badpaladin]

Packers walked all over the bears on first drive, packers 2nd drive the bears defense didn't stop them, it was like 2 dropped passes and 1 just off target. After that the offense slowed down, but they didn't need to score. As the bears offense was shutdown for the first 3 quarters, bears put Hanie in, and the bears decide that at that point Forte is more of a threat, and they'll let a young inexperienced QB try and make reads and try and make the passes. Guess what it worked like a charm, because he did make bad reads and they kept Forte in check. The packers for having no running back all season put up a lot of yards on the ground vs the bears who are the #2 rush defense in the league. Yeah steelers defense is good, but last time the 2 teams met, the packers were the #1 defense in the league, and it was an offensive game 37-36 with a last min small window TD. However since the game wont be played at steelers home, they lose a bit of their defense which is the stadium. Part of the reason they allow so few points is in fact the stadium is known for being insanely hard to kick anything over 50yds. Meaning that instead of a possible 3 pts being scored the other team is forced to punt thus allowing less pts vs the steelers.

Yeah, I don't think you were watching the same game I did. I wanted the packers to win, but I also don't really have an major inclination toward one side. What I saw was a very poorly played game by the packers who managed to get out far early on and a failed bear's offense that couldn't capitalize on anything even when their defense gave them two whole quarters to do so with absolutely zero threat of the packers scoring again. That's not going to be the case with The Steelers, whose offense DOES capitalize on defensive plays and whose defense is without a doubt the scariest in the playoffs, year after year after year. The packers have the talent to beat them, but Aaron Rodgers needs to not play atrociously, their receivers have to learn out to catch the ball when they're being covered well, and their defense needs to be on their toes when Big Ben rolls out ready to throw back across the field.

It will be a very close superbowl, once again defense will win, #1 defense vs #2 what more can you ask for. McCarthy is most likely going to do an onsides kick at some point during the game, even if packers aren't down.

What? You mean #3 overall. #2 running and #7 passing. For the Postseason. Regular season doesn't matter.

Packers are going to have it rough.

[Craz]

What? You mean #3 overall. #2 running and #7 passing. For the Postseason. Regular season doesn't matter.

Rofl because 2-3 games are more accurate than 16, are you serious? Do you know how illogical that is? I don't even need to say more.

[Badpaladin]

Rofl because 2-3 games are more accurate than 16, are you serious? Do you know how illogical that is? I don't even need to say more.

No rebuttal for my previous statements?

Illogical, eh? Is Tom Brady playing in the Super Bowl? That's why regular season stats don't matter.

[Bamboozles]

No rebuttal for my previous statements?

Illogical, eh? Is Tom Brady playing in the Super Bowl? That's why regular season stats don't matter.

Yeaah.. Craz got owned here.

[Craz]

So what if Tom Brady isn't in the superbowl, what does that have to do with anything? There are tons of superstars who don't make the superbowl every year. It's cute that you think 1 player is all that matters, it's a TEAM game. I like how you completely ignore that 16 games is more accurate than 2-3 games.

But if you want to try and act like you're smarter than me, I'll use your own words just to prove how you are wrong.

Matt Hasselbeck 530yd 7td 1int
Mark Sanchez 616yd 5td 1int
Drew Bress 404yd 2td 0int
Joe Flacco 390yd 3td 1int
Ben Roethlisberger 359yd 2td 2int

even cutler put up better stats than Ben in post season

So if ALL you want to look at is post season stats, then Ben and the steelers shouldn't even be in the superbowl.

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady could go both go 600yd 7td 0int in post season, 1 isn't going to make the superbowl. So how does post season stats even mean anything for getting into superbowl. Post season stats don't matter only WINNING

16 games is always more accurate than 2-3 games. No one cares if you can play well for 2 games in post season, it's all about playing solid game in and game out for a full season. Remember if you can't play well for 16 games, you can't even get in the playoffs unless you're the seahawks.

I don't know what your problem is Bamboozles, but I guess I just "owned" you both at the same time. I feel like I have to start bolding stuff for you guys to actually read.

[Bamboozles]

So what if Tom Brady isn't in the superbowl, what does that have to do with anything? There are tons of superstars who don't make the superbowl every year. It's cute that you think 1 player is all that matters, it's a TEAM game. I like how you completely ignore that 16 games is more accurate than 2-3 games.

Let me stop you right there and say, when the Pats didn't have Brady, they didn't even make the playoffs. Without him, they're not the same. The same could be said for Pittsburgh with Troy. Yeah, it's a team game, but one player can make all the difference.

We're not ignoring it - we're simply saying that those 2 - 3 games are when it actually matters. You can't say because they did well in the regular season, they're going to do well in the playoffs. Simply can't do it.

But if you want to try and act like you're smarter than me, I'll use your own words just to prove how you are wrong.

Matt Hasselbeck 530yd 7td 1int
Mark Sanchez 616yd 5td 1int
Drew Bress 404yd 2td 0int
Joe Flacco 390yd 3td 1int
Ben Roethlisberger 359yd 2td 2int

even cutler put up better stats than Ben in post season

If that's a shot at Ben, it didn't work.

So if ALL you want to look at is post season stats, then Ben and the steelers shouldn't even be in the superbowl.

It's a new season in the playoffs. The Steelers also had to beat some of the best defenses in football. The Bears had to beat the Seahawks. If you're not going to look at the big picture, don't talk at all.

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady could go both go 600yd 7td 0int in post season, 1 isn't going to make the superbowl. So how does post season stats even mean anything for getting into superbowl. Post season stats don't matter only WINNING

If you do piss poor in the playoffs, you aren't getting to the Super Bowl. Again, it's an entire new season come playoffs and you can't count on previous achievements to get you through. I'll give you the Pats beating the Jets 45 - 3 and then losing in the playoffs. They had a great reg. season, but then choked when it mattered.

16 games is always more accurate than 2-3 games. No one cares if you can play well for 2 games in post season, it's all about playing solid game in and game out for a full season. Remember if you can't play well for 16 games, you can't even get in the playoffs unless you're the seahawks.

No, it's not. Otherwise it'd be a Patriot - Falcon Super Bowl.

Obviously reg. season matters, no one is debating that, but you can't rely on what you did in the past to get you through the playoffs.

I don't know what your problem is Bamboozles, but I guess I just "owned" you both at the same time. I feel like I have to start bolding stuff for you guys to actually read.

My problem is, you're not making any sense. You keep saying reg. season stats are more important, then why isn't it a Falcon - Pats Super Bowl? Top two teams in the league should be in The Dance with that logic.

[Craz]

when the Pats didn't have Brady, they didn't even make the playoffs.

No, it's not. Otherwise it'd be a Patriot - Falcon Super Bowl.

My problem is, you're not making any sense. You keep saying reg. season stats are more important, then why isn't it a Falcon - Pats Super Bowl? Top two teams in the league should be in The Dance with that logic.

Cassel went 11-5, that's usually good enough to get in playoffs.

Pats Falcons? Need I remind you on page 9 you kept talking about how the falcons are trash? Pick one and stick with it.

I never said regular season was more important, because if I did you would have quoted it. I said 16 games IS more ACCURATE than 2-3 games. It's a fact, a higher sample pool is ALWAYS more accurate.

Oh and the top 2 teams are in the superbowl, #1 defense, and #2 defense from the regular season. Thus backs up my point even more.

Why do you even bother, I backup everything I say with common sense, logic, and facts, you sir just make wild claims on everything.

[Bamboozles]

Cassel went 11-5, that's usually good enough to get in playoffs.

Yeah, but they didn't. Without Brady, the Pats aren't very good. It's like that for every team. Sure, it's a team game, but every single team has that one player that they're simply not as good when they're out. You can keep going "TEAM GAME", but in reality, every single team has a Brady, Polamalu, Reed, etc.

Pats Falcons? Need I remind you on page 9 you kept talking about how the falcons are trash? Pick one and stick with it.

If we're going by stats, it'd be Pats - Falcons. I never once said they were a good team. Look at their schedule for christ sake.

I never said regular season was more important, because if I did you would have quoted it. I said 16 games IS more ACCURATE than 2-3 games. It's a fact, a higher sample pool is ALWAYS more accurate.

No, it's just not. The Patriots are 5x the team the Jets are, what happened? The Eagles are a much better team than the Packers and what happened there.

The Eagles had the better record, the better team and the better QB. The regular season stats for all of that would show that they should have won. They were outplayed for most of the game.

Shit happens. You can't rely on what you did in the past to get you forward in the playoffs. You just can't.

Oh and the top 2 teams are in the superbowl, #1 defense, and #2 defense from the regular season. Thus backs up my point even more.

I agree, the Steelers were the top overall team. They overcame adversity and played with heart, and that's why they're here. The Packers are a great team too. Solid on both sides of the ball, but if we're going by stats in the first 16, it really should have been Pats - Falcs. (Don't interpret that as Falcons are good. They're not.)

Why do you even bother, I backup everything I say with common sense, logic, and facts, you sir just make wild claims on everything.

Why do I bother? Because you're not stating shit clearly. You're saying "it's a team game and the first 16 are more accurate indicators". Oh, that's cool, but it's not. Teams show who they really are when you have to step up and play. The Patriots are a hell'uva team, no one is disputing that, but when you have an entire secondary of babies and a TE / WR comp of kids that haven't ever been in that situation before, it was going to happen. I just didn't think it was going to be against the Jets.

Keep bolding things that I don't say, makes you look reeaalllyy reliable.

[Craz]

No, it's just not. The Patriots are 5x the team the Jets are, what happened? The Eagles are a much better team than the Packers and what happened there.

The Eagles had the better record, the better team and the better QB. The regular season stats for all of that would show that they should have won. They were outplayed for most of the game.

Once again you mention "light schedule". Falcons had a harder schedule than the Steelers. At least know some football before you open your mouth. For what it's worth Steelers had an easy schedule, but all you do is bash every team but Steelers. You always say stuff like "They aren't good they had a light schedule" And Eagles are in no way even close to as good as the Packers. Both have a good offense, but Packers #2 defense vs Eagles #21 defense, not even remotely close to being better.

You have been nothing but a troll all thread.

[Bamboozles]

Once again you mention "light schedule". Falcons had a harder schedule than the Steelers. At least know some football before you open your mouth. For what it's worth Steelers had an easy schedule, but all you do is bash every team but Steelers. You always say stuff like "They aren't good they had a light schedule" And Eagles are in no way even close to as good as the Packers. Both have a good offense, but Packers #2 defense vs Eagles #21 defense, not even remotely close to being better.

You have been nothing but a troll all thread.

Oh yeah? Falcons had a harder schedule eh? They played 6 playoff teams, one of them being Seattle. Steelers played 5 playoff teams with winning records. One playoff team difference, being Seattle is your argument. Nice try, though. I like the part where you pull shit outta your ass and pretend it's fact. I'm talking football, you're getting on your knees for the Falcons as if they're some godly team. They didn't beat the Packers, how good are they really?

Eagles are a much, much better team than the Fudgepackers. You keep bringing up stats, so here's the stats for you:

Courtesy of http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

Not only did the Eagles crush the Packers in every single way offensively, they also clinched their division with the better record. Now, tell me, how does that make the Packers a better team? Do they have a better defense? Absolutely. A better offense? Fuck no.

If the Packers are so great, why then did they squeak into the playoffs on Rodgers' back? You act as if the Packers were impressive this season, but they lost to weak teams with Rodgers playing.

I also like the part where you only answer half the shit I give to you and think you're giving an intelligent answer.

I need to learn my football? I quote you: "Both have a good offense, but Packers #2 defense vs Eagles #21 defense.. blah blah useless shit here"

Courtesy of http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?season...=REG&Submit=Go

Packers total defense? Not #2.

Packers passing defense? Not #2.

Packers rushing defense? You guessed it Jimmy, not #2.

Maybe you were confused and saw the postseason standings of defense. Oh, wait, they're #3. Yeah, it's close, but it's not exactly #2 is it?

Where you're getting the Packers have #2 defense is absolutely beyond me. Stop pulling numbers out of the air please.

As for the Eagles having #21 ranked defense, I'd love for you to tell me how as they are:

Total Yards PG / DEF: 12th
Total Pass Yards PG / DEF: 14th
Total Rush Yards PG / DEF: 15th

As for the Steelers having a light schedule, I'm not basing it off of W/L ratio and total numbers, I'm basing it it off of who the teams are and what kind of defense and offense they have. Instead of running to your numbers, maybe you should be intelligent and intellectual for once and do your own research instead of having this security blanket of "LOL PACKS #2 DEFENSE YO" which isn't even correct. If you want to base it off of purely W/L ratio and total numbers, go ahead. Anyone on Gameday NFL will tell you it's total crap to base a teams schedule off that.

I'm not bashing teams, I'm merely pointing out stats where you're wrong now.

I do know my football, and I didn't want to have to break out the NFL.com's way of standing teams, but you backed me into a corner. It seems like the only argument you have is how good the Packers D is, and you weren't even correct on their position in the standings. One might have thought you would go and check that before running your mouth, Mr. I love my stats from the regular season even though that means shit all right now.

Here's a thought, why don't you have the balls to admit you were wrong on the reg. 16 game schedule and how it's somehow more accurate, even though it means dick all in the playoffs. If you want, I can give you experts, players and coaches who all say "This is the playoffs, what we did in the regular season does not matter." Why wouldn't the top 2 teams be in the Super Bowl, I mean, they had the best 16 games right? Riddle me that, Craz.