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[Irony]

Yeah I was talking about Marion Barber.

Ah, too many Barbers in the NFL.

[draynay]

not anymore

I read that in a Hannibal Lecter voice as I typed it, eh, it works

[The Handsome Stranger]

Now to round out this discussion.

Forte is not going anywhere. He's been franchised, he will get paid. He won't get what he thinks he deserves, but he will get paid. The rumor around Chicago was that Barber was going to retire, thats why they brought in Bush. All they did there was build some real quality depth, as was the signing of Campbell. Calib Hanie is a joke. Trading Forte in itself is absurd, what are they going to get for him in a trade that will be of equal value? Draft picks? No team in their right mind would give up anything more than a 5th round pick for him, and the Bears would be stupid to settle for that. Forte is staying a Bear.

Matt Flynn, I'm a little confused why he picked Seattle instead of Miami. Aaron Rodgers killed the guy prolaiming he's a top 15 QB, which he is not. He's just a guy, nothing more. He put up big numbers against 2 bad defenses in his only 2 starts. I doubt he wins the starting job. Way overrated.

Peyton Manning. Will go down as one of the worst moves in Bronco's history. Manning wins no more than 4 games this year. I hate to say it, the team is not as elite as people want to believe. I also hate to say this, but Tebow did more for that team last year than manning will do for the rest of his career. People tend to forget Manning was released because he suffered a serious injury. If Manning was healthy, do you really think the Colts would have let he go, 28 million dollar bonus or not? Manning was the face of that franchise and playing at a Super Bowl level until he got hurt, and all of a sudden the Colts don't know what they are doing? Come on, be serious.

Tim Tebow. The Jets will have no choice but to turn to him after Sanchez's first bad game. Tebow will take over the offense and win games because thats what he does. All the experts will give him shit, but he will win games. Sanchez's time is over in New York. Tebow will own the city by midseason.

[Drofu]

Apparently Fox Sports is considering hiring Sean Payton to join the crew next season.

[Skarsguard]

Now to round out this discussion.

Forte is not going anywhere. He's been franchised, he will get paid. He won't get what he thinks he deserves, but he will get paid. The rumor around Chicago was that Barber was going to retire, thats why they brought in Bush. All they did there was build some real quality depth, as was the signing of Campbell. Calib Hanie is a joke. Trading Forte in itself is absurd, what are they going to get for him in a trade that will be of equal value? Draft picks? No team in their right mind would give up anything more than a 5th round pick for him, and the Bears would be stupid to settle for that. Forte is staying a Bear.

Matt Flynn, I'm a little confused why he picked Seattle instead of Miami. Aaron Rodgers killed the guy prolaiming he's a top 15 QB, which he is not. He's just a guy, nothing more. He put up big numbers against 2 bad defenses in his only 2 starts. I doubt he wins the starting job. Way overrated.

Peyton Manning. Will go down as one of the worst moves in Bronco's history. Manning wins no more than 4 games this year. I hate to say it, the team is not as elite as people want to believe. I also hate to say this, but Tebow did more for that team last year than manning will do for the rest of his career. People tend to forget Manning was released because he suffered a serious injury. If Manning was healthy, do you really think the Colts would have let he go, 28 million dollar bonus or not? Manning was the face of that franchise and playing at a Super Bowl level until he got hurt, and all of a sudden the Colts don't know what they are doing? Come on, be serious.

Tim Tebow. The Jets will have no choice but to turn to him after Sanchez's first bad game. Tebow will take over the offense and win games because thats what he does. All the experts will give him shit, but he will win games. Sanchez's time is over in New York. Tebow will own the city by midseason.

The reason Peyton Manning would still be with the colts if he was healthy is because the team would have won way more games and wouldn't not have the no.1 pick to get luck to replace him as. If I was Flynn I would have picked the Seachickens as well I mean the division is one of the worst and you don't have to play the Pats and Jets twice a year. He also might like the atmosphere out in Seattle you know people drinking there coffee and all carefree and whatnot.

[Bamboozled]

Tim Tebow. The Jets will have no choice but to turn to him after Sanchez's first bad game. Tebow will take over the offense and win games because thats what he does. All the experts will give him shit, but he will win games. Sanchez's time is over in New York. Tebow will own the city by midseason.

Agree with you on the Manning thing, but I think he goes 9-7 and ends up getting pummelled in the first round of the playoffs.

On Tebow, he doesn't win games. The Broncos defense wins games. Tebow's biggest flaw is that he throws like a school-yard girl, and I don't see that changing. This was made all too clear when the Tebow had to play a healthy, elite team in the playoffs and got their mouths opened and the Pats' balls inserted. Brady picked apart that defense and made Tebow look like the shitty quarterback he is. Tebow won't win games for the Jets, and they still have to look for a franchise option beyond both of these guys.

I think Flynn made the right move going to Seattle. They have a franchise back in Lynch and a rebuilding, promising WR corp. Don't look for them to be a powerhouse in the next season, but give them a few seasons under Flynn and they'll make the playoffs, maybe even with a positive record this time.

[buck008]

Peyton Manning. Will go down as one of the worst moves in Bronco's history. Manning wins no more than 4 games this year. I hate to say it, the team is not as elite as people want to believe. I also hate to say this, but Tebow did more for that team last year than manning will do for the rest of his career. People tend to forget Manning was released because he suffered a serious injury. If Manning was healthy, do you really think the Colts would have let he go, 28 million dollar bonus or not? Manning was the face of that franchise and playing at a Super Bowl level until he got hurt, and all of a sudden the Colts don't know what they are doing? Come on, be serious.

Tim Tebow. The Jets will have no choice but to turn to him after Sanchez's first bad game. Tebow will take over the offense and win games because thats what he does. All the experts will give him shit, but he will win games. Sanchez's time is over in New York. Tebow will own the city by midseason.

The Colts management has actually been pretty terrible for a few years. That's why they were so gut wrenchingly terrible when Manning wasn't there to carry them. The last few drafts were bad, they hired Jim friggin Caldwell, and they never really addressed the issues they had in the Manning era (weak running game, inconsistent defense at best). It really seems that the Colts were only good after Dungy left because Peyton Manning is just that good. They got rid of him because they needed to rebuild and you don't do that by paying a 36 year old quarterback 28 million dollars when he's coming off an injury.

Tim Tebow is a mediocre quarterback with great intangibles. That's all. If Sanchez wasn't a mediocre quarterback with terrible intangibles this wouldn't even be a discussion. However, I don't think your game plan as an organization can be, "We'll just keep it close for 3 quarters and let Timmy steal it at the end." Not for 16 games. Not if you want to win a championship. There is an exactly 0% chance the Broncos will be worse at the QB position if Manning starts all 16 games.

[Jibjabb]

Im not a Tebow guy at all but I have no problem with him going to the Jets for the simple fact that Sanchez is just as bad if not worse. Hes been overrated for so long (idk if its cuz hes from USC, in NY, hispanic or whatever) but he never deserved any of the credit he got early on. Hes awful. Tebow is more entertaining to watch and probably a better chance to win games as odd as it sounds.

[conscript]

Peyton Manning. Will go down as one of the worst moves in Bronco's history. Manning wins no more than 4 games this year. I hate to say it, the team is not as elite as people want to believe. I also hate to say this, but Tebow did more for that team last year than manning will do for the rest of his career. People tend to forget Manning was released because he suffered a serious injury. If Manning was healthy, do you really think the Colts would have let he go, 28 million dollar bonus or not? Manning was the face of that franchise and playing at a Super Bowl level until he got hurt, and all of a sudden the Colts don't know what they are doing? Come on, be serious.

Bookmarked to laugh at in the future.

If you honestly think the Broncos won't win more than FOUR games with Manning you are absolutely insane. 100% crazy. You don't even have to be a remotely mediocre team to win four games in a season. The Broncos aren't "elite" but they are a whole hell of a lot better than anything Manning has had to work with in Indy in the last couple years.

Manning was released because the owner didn't want to pay him $28 million, they were in position to get the best QB prospect to come out of the draft since Peyton Manning, and because you can't have two massively paid quarterbacks on your roster when there is a salary cap. Simple as that. They didn't cut Manning over concerns that he can't throw. Did they also cut Clark because he can't catch, let Garcon and Tamme walk because they can't catch, get rid of Hall of Fame center Jeff Saturday because he couldn't snap the ball and block? Its called rebuilding. That is what you do. I don't think anyone would believe that the Colts are a Super Bowl caliber team right now even with Manning. The Polians did a damn good job of building a roster with no depth and fairly terrible talent at most positions. The Colts as an organization have NEVER known what they were doing. Their owner is a complete mess. THe Polians were terrible. They had decent talent for one season and they won the Super Bowl. Every other year of the recent Manning years was dominated by a terrible defense and awful running game.

If Manning wasn't healthy the Broncos wouldn't have signed him to a contract. If he wasn't healthy the 49ers wouldn't have pursued him. Injury is a concern, as it is for every QB, but it isn't nearly as big of a deal as you are making it.

[Northern Goblin]

Not sure about if Luck is going to be the biggest thing since Manning. He's good, he's very good, but he's starting to get the levels of hype countries give their national sports teams before a world tournament.

Few people ever meet that hype.

[Logonov]

Not sure about if Luck is going to be the biggest thing since Manning. He's good, he's very good, but he's starting to get the levels of hype countries give their national sports teams before a world tournament.

Few people ever meet that hype.

Honestly i think the colts are going to be disappointed as well. Looking back at manning from college to pros, its safe to say he was one of the best not because he was some super talented quarterback (he was just that, but he wasnt physically the scariest threat you'd see), He was the best because he worked sun up to sun down, all the time, to be the best. It's why ryan leaf was a huge bust, he didnt have the heart. Peyton had the heart, the pedigree and mind to be one of histories best.

I look at luck and i see a similar mind (if not smarter) and more athletic than manning. The only thing i worry about does he have manning's drive. Brady is exceptional because of his drive.

If luck has manning's drive, he should be golden, but thats what im worried about.

[buck008]

I don't think anyone is saying Luck will be the next Manning though. Well, some people are, but no one who knows football is. What they are saying is he has that potential, and nobody has even had that in a long time. That's the kind of guy you feel ok rolling the dice on because his ceiling is so high, and, as a franchise, you are already as low as you can be.

[Bamboozled]

I don't think anyone is saying Luck will be the next Manning though. Well, some people are, but no one who knows football is. What they are saying is he has that potential, and nobody has even had that in a long time. That's the kind of guy you feel ok rolling the dice on because his ceiling is so high, and, as a franchise, you are already as low as you can be.

Cam Newton says 'hi'. Dude was the most hyped quarterback coming out of college in a lonnnnng time and he lived up to his potential. The difference I see between him and Luck is, Cam didn't, and still hasn't, hit his full potential. I'm kinda thinking that Luck has peaked and this is it, he won't get any better. Sure, he'll be a good quarterback and a starter for the Colts for a long time, but a great quarterback? I'm not so sure about that.

[Irony]

Cam Newton says 'hi'. Dude was the most hyped quarterback coming out of college in a lonnnnng time and he lived up to his potential. The difference I see between him and Luck is, Cam didn't, and still hasn't, hit his full potential. I'm kinda thinking that Luck has peaked and this is it, he won't get any better. Sure, he'll be a good quarterback and a starter for the Colts for a long time, but a great quarterback? I'm not so sure about that.

Newton is gonna fall back to Earth, hard. No NFL team had much film on him, so they had to go into games blindly. Honestly, him being the next Vince Young, won't surprise me.

[Bamboozled]

Newton is gonna fall back to Earth, hard. No NFL team had much film on him, so they had to go into games blindly. Honestly, him being the next Vince Young, won't surprise me.

He has the intangibles + work ethic that VY never did. I'm not sure what you mean teams didn't have much film on him though. I mean, you'd think that you'd follow the kid that went 14-0 and have an abundance of film on him to try and shut him down. He has Roethlisberger's size and the ability to run with a cannon for an arm. I'm not saying you aren't right, I'm just not sure what you mean.

All Newton needs is another viable WR other than Stevie and there's a good chance they can compete for the NFC-S. That defense needs work, sure, but Cam has already shown he can keep it close with really no offensive power in the receiving corp than Smith which is something impressive. Adding Tolbert was a really smart move and improved that backfield to a 1 - 2 punch. If they're able to get another first rounder in any capacity and get a guy like Rueben Randle, that's a serious step in the right direction. I'd say get a guy like Kendall Wright because he ran a similar offense to Auburn, but it looks like he'll be taken a lot higher than once imagined so that's more of a pipe dream. The Panthers will be a great team in a year or two, just need time to develop.

Bill Parcells to Coach the Saints?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...headline_stack

[buck008]

As much as Cam was hyped, he turned out to be much better than anyone thought. It remains to be seen if he could keep it up, but everyone thought he'd be a slightly better Michael Vick. Mostly because Cam could actually throw accurately. Nobody was calling him the best prospect in a generation. They were calling him an athletic freak, and debating whether he would succeed in the NFL.

It wouldn't surprise me if Luck turned out to be the next all time great QB. It also wouldn't surprise me if he was the next Ryan Leaf. The draft is a crap shoot, and it always has been. What you can't argue is that the kid has every tool you need to be successful. Just have to see if he can use them.

[Skarsguard]

I don't think Cam was that hyped as Luck was I mean people have been talking about Luck for years Cam was only talked about his last 4-5 games in collage. I mean nobody had him as the top QB coming into the sec that season I think it was Mallet if I remember. Cam Newton also isn't going to replace perhaps the best QB of all time "or top 1-5". The Panthers had nobody before he came to the league that's why he started and yeah now that there is going to be an off season and defense's are going to be prepared for him I don't think he will do as good as he did last year hell I don't think there will be a QB that's going to throw 5000 yards this season.

[Bamboozled]

No one has been as hyped as Luck, and it's ridiculous. I can't see him living up to his hype, and in that regard, he'll be a bust. Giving him names like "The next Peyton Manning" doesn't help his case at all. In all honesty, I think Cam Newton is the next great quarterback, and the qb of this generation. He'll have a more successful career than Luck, barring some sort of freak injury.

[Vetali]

Cam Newton says 'hi'. Dude was the most hyped quarterback coming out of college in a lonnnnng time and he lived up to his potential. The difference I see between him and Luck is, Cam didn't, and still hasn't, hit his full potential. I'm kinda thinking that Luck has peaked and this is it, he won't get any better. Sure, he'll be a good quarterback and a starter for the Colts for a long time, but a great quarterback? I'm not so sure about that.

I'm not going to make any bets before I see him play in real games. Personally I'm more of a RG3 fan. Both of them have some good skill coming out of college, though the NFL is a whole different turf. That goes for anybody coming out of the draft really. Not just the over hyped people that have their rounds every year. Doubt you will hear much of Cam now that his rookie year is over. Everybody will be looking at Luck/RG3.

Of course there are a few outliers like Tebow... but thats a different story.

[Pendulous]

Not sure if you want to believe him, but Colts owner Jim Irsay isn't sold on Luck yet.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...153001846.html

Then again, I don't think he's even allowed to say who he wants at number one anyway, so probably nothing to get excited over.