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[Logonov]

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Im not a big fan of the redskins and their destruction of potentially good players. That said, its a shame someone is really wanting to stoop so low as to try and ruin RGIII. He's almost cursed to deal with painfully bad franchises no matter where he could have been picked in the first 5. Honestly I have more faith in the redskins making Griffin an amazing player over the browns. If it were up to me, theres 10 different franchises id rather see him at still.

[Vetali]

Like I said before, I'm a fan of RG3. I think if you are going to knock on RG3 you might as well knock on Luck especially for his reasoning. I can't find the article again, but he said something like "he can throw and he can run, but if you hit him hard enough he will start to break down." No shit Sherlock, tell us something we don't know.

[Robbyjawz]

John Clayton ran the numbers and found that over the last 10 years when a team with a Pro Bowl caliber QB plays a team without one, the better QB wins about 80% of the time. No way they go 13-3 again. Games at GB, Jets, NE, and NO. Their own division is improving from putrid to mediocre. Still very likely winning their division, but I doubt a number one seed is in the cards this year.

@ the Jets is a joke. The Jets have a putrid offense and it is going to spiral downhill even further with a QB "controversy". Drew Brees is still pissed off about getting a franchise tag and could even hold out, plus there is the fact that NO won't have their HC all year, on top of their average defense that mayu have some suspended players, that is still a winnable game.

@ Ne and GB will both be substantially more difficult, but both teams have dismal defenses, I have faith that Alex Smith can continue to keep his head out of his ass for another season at the very least.

[Northy]

Go Packers!

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I am going to laugh my ass off when the Vikings move to LA. Minneapolis losing two franchises to Los Angeles is just awful. I've said it before, I'm sure I will say it again. Fuck billionaires that demand that tax payers pay for their stadiums with hundreds of millions of dollars. If they want to reap all of the profit from a franchise. Don't have the city finance a major stadium project forcing them to sell of assets, and make that enormous expenditure back over twenty plus years assuming the team doesn't tank and people stop caring. Sacramento was in the process of selling off massive amounts of their city owned real estate, mostly parking structures, in order to finance the Kings new stadium. Thankfully the Maloofs are such pieces of shit they balked at paying their paltry portion of the deal, weeks after signing the agreement saying they would, and that stadium is dead although now the city will probably lose its team. If your team sucks and the fans don't come, like the Phoenix Coyotes, the city is left footing massive bills. The Miami Marlins are going to be the same way. Reported attendance is still alright, but if you look at true attendance on tv or being there, they are already down to seating less than half the stadium for games and have entire sections empty. That deal will end up haunting Miami. Fuck billionaires wanting to build their empires on the back of taxpaying citizens. And they wonder why most of us hate them so much.

[Northy]

I am going to laugh my ass off when the Vikings move to LA. Minneapolis losing two franchises to Los Angeles is just awful. I've said it before, I'm sure I will say it again. Fuck billionaires that demand that tax payers pay for their stadiums with hundreds of millions of dollars. If they want to reap all of the profit from a franchise. Don't have the city finance a major stadium project forcing them to sell of assets, and make that enormous expenditure back over twenty plus years assuming the team doesn't tank and people stop caring. Sacramento was in the process of selling off massive amounts of their city owned real estate, mostly parking structures, in order to finance the Kings new stadium. Thankfully the Maloofs are such pieces of shit they balked at paying their paltry portion of the deal, weeks after signing the agreement saying they would, and that stadium is dead although now the city will probably lose its team. If your team sucks and the fans don't come, like the Phoenix Coyotes, the city is left footing massive bills. The Miami Marlins are going to be the same way. Reported attendance is still alright, but if you look at true attendance on tv or being there, they are already down to seating less than half the stadium for games and have entire sections empty. That deal will end up haunting Miami. Fuck billionaires wanting to build their empires on the back of taxpaying citizens. And they wonder why most of us hate them so much.

As a Packer fan, to see the Viqueens have to move is just so garsh dern pleasurable.

[conscript]

As a Packer fan, to see the Viqueens have to move is just so garsh dern pleasurable.

Fuck that dude. I don't care how much I hate the Vikings or Packers (as a Lions fan) I don't want to see one of our long time rivals move across the country and then get stuck with Indy or St Louis move to the division. I imagine they would just swap Minnesota and St Louis if Minnesota was to move to LA. Probably easier than Minnesota to AFCW, Kansas City to AFC South, Indy to NFC North.

[Northy]

Fuck that dude. I don't care how much I hate the Vikings or Packers (as a Lions fan) I don't want to see one of our long time rivals move across the country and then get stuck with Indy or St Louis move to the division. I imagine they would just swap Minnesota and St Louis if Minnesota was to move to LA. Probably easier than Minnesota to AFCW, Kansas City to AFC South, Indy to NFC North.

Loosy goosy all in good fun. Minnesota has always been kind of a black hole where things go to die.

[Skarsguard]

Loosy goosy all in good fun. Minnesota has always been kind of a black hole where things go to die.

I thought that was the Raiders.

[Jibjabb]

John Clayton ran the numbers and found that over the last 10 years when a team with a Pro Bowl caliber QB plays a team without one, the better QB wins about 80% of the time. No way they go 13-3 again. Games at GB, Jets, NE, and NO. Their own division is improving from putrid to mediocre. Still very likely winning their division, but I doubt a number one seed is in the cards this year.

I agree completely. Its extremely difficult to have sustained success in the NFL without one. Sure you can get hot for a year or 2 but I really dont see San Fran repeating the success they had last year. In terms of record and how deep they go, they prob will still make the playoffs on account of that division however.

Losable Games:
@ Green Bay
vs Detroit
@ NY Jets
vs NY Giants
vs Chicago
@ New Orleans
@ New England

+ its not easy to go undefeated in your own division either. I see a good amount of losses for them, they obv wont lose all those i listed but it will be quite a few. I say probably something like 10-6. Make playoffs. Get bounced early.

[conscript]

I agree completely. Its extremely difficult to have sustained success in the NFL without one. Sure you can get hot for a year or 2 but I really dont see San Fran repeating the success they had last year. In terms of record and how deep they go, they prob will still make the playoffs on account of that division however.

Losable Games:
@ Green Bay
vs Detroit
@ NY Jets
vs NY Giants
vs Chicago
@ New Orleans
@ New England

+ its not easy to go undefeated in your own division either. I see a good amount of losses for them, they obv wont lose all those i listed but it will be quite a few. I say probably something like 10-6. Make playoffs. Get bounced early.

The Seattle games could very well be losable as well depending on how Flynn performs.

[Skarsguard]

Usually any team in the same division is losable I think thou Seattle is getting better but I think the Cards are getting worst. Seattle has to get a new QB at some time and I mean a pro bowl QB I still for the life of me don't know why they got rid of Hasselback and kept T.Jackson.

[Vetali]

Usually any team in the same division is losable I think thou Seattle is getting better but I think the Cards are getting worst. Seattle has to get a new QB at some time and I mean a pro bowl QB I still for the life of me don't know why they got rid of Hasselback and kept T.Jackson.

Simple answer, Hasslebeck was old and injury prone. We pretty much ended up with T.Jack because of us getting the Vikings O coordinator.

Did we fuck up in getting rid of Hasslebeck, maybe. I will have a more concrete opinion on that when I see Flynn play.

[Pendulous]

Simple answer, Hasslebeck was old and injury prone. We pretty much ended up with T.Jack because of us getting the Vikings O coordinator.

Did we fuck up in getting rid of Hasslebeck, maybe. I will have a more concrete opinion on that when I see Flynn play.

Flynn still isn't proven, at least to me. I guess then, the question becomes how good will Tennessee be then, if Hasslebeck is out of his prime? I guess we saw it last year, I would hope for some improvements.

[Vetali]

Flynn still isn't proven, at least to me. I guess then, the question becomes how good will Tennessee be then, if Hasslebeck is out of his prime? I guess we saw it last year, I would hope for some improvements.

I'd expect to see more Jake Locker playing this year honestly, especially in off season. That was kinda the point of getting them both.

Which is another thing, people in Seattle wanted Hasslebeck and Locker to play together. I'm glad that didn't go down because I have an extreme dislike for Locker.

[buck008]

What do we think about the rumor that Miami is taking Tannehill with the 8 spot? That's really the first spot in the top 10 in this year's draft that there's any kind of debate over. Are there any Dolphin fans left? Personally, I think the kid makes sense as a project if you know who you're starting this year. Unfortunately, I don't know who the hell else Miami goes to for some kind of solution at QB. Unless they throw David Garrard out there and hope for the best. Because when you can start Jacksonville's cast offs at QB, you have to do it.

Poor Miami. Manning wanted nothing to do with them. Nor did Flynn even though his old O-Coordinator is the coach now. Alex Smith used them as leverage to get a contract out of Frisco, and as part of his pout about them talking to Manning. Meanwhile the Phins haven't had a competent QB since Marino.

[conscript]

What do we think about the rumor that Miami is taking Tannehill with the 8 spot? That's really the first spot in the top 10 in this year's draft that there's any kind of debate over. Are there any Dolphin fans left? Personally, I think the kid makes sense as a project if you know who you're starting this year. Unfortunately, I don't know who the hell else Miami goes to for some kind of solution at QB. Unless they throw David Garrard out there and hope for the best. Because when you can start Jacksonville's cast offs at QB, you have to do it.

Poor Miami. Manning wanted nothing to do with them. Nor did Flynn even though his old O-Coordinator is the coach now. Alex Smith used them as leverage to get a contract out of Frisco, and as part of his pout about them talking to Manning. Meanwhile the Phins haven't had a competent QB since Marino.

I think that is too high for Tannehill, a guy who has barely played QB at a competitive level. The Dolphins are hurting so badly too be competitive though you need to take a gamble like that in hopes that is does work out and he could be your QB of the future. I don't think he has a chance of starting over Matt Moore, nor do I think he will even end up being better than Moore, so to me it would make more sense to draft a guy who can actually help your team now rather than maybe help it in a couple years.

I'm not entirely convinced Tannehill slips past the Browns at #4. Their QB situation is far worse than the Dolphins. They can afford to have more of a project QB than Miami. The 8 spot certainly isn't the only spot that is up in the air in the top 10 though. The Vikings have a big decision at three whether they take the CB they absolutely need or the OT the need to slightly lesser extent. The Rams decision is going to be based completely on whether Blackmon, Richardson, or whoever else is still on the board. The Browns are a complete crapshoot. The Jags at 7 are trying to trade down, which they will probably end up doing. The only locked down spots are:
1. Luck
2. Griffin
3. Claiborne, Kalil, or trade
4. Blackmon, Richardson, Tannehill, Claiborne
5. Claiborne or Richardson
6. Blackmon or Richardson, if both are gone who knows
7. Will be traded
8. Tannehill if gone who knows
9. A defensive lineman
10. Probably an OT or CB

[buck008]

I think that is too high for Tannehill, a guy who has barely played QB at a competitive level. The Dolphins are hurting so badly too be competitive though you need to take a gamble like that in hopes that is does work out and he could be your QB of the future. I don't think he has a chance of starting over Matt Moore, nor do I think he will even end up being better than Moore, so to me it would make more sense to draft a guy who can actually help your team now rather than maybe help it in a couple years.

I'm not entirely convinced Tannehill slips past the Browns at #4. Their QB situation is far worse than the Dolphins. They can afford to have more of a project QB than Miami. The 8 spot certainly isn't the only spot that is up in the air in the top 10 though. The Vikings have a big decision at three whether they take the CB they absolutely need or the OT the need to slightly lesser extent. The Rams decision is going to be based completely on whether Blackmon, Richardson, or whoever else is still on the board. The Browns are a complete crapshoot. The Jags at 7 are trying to trade down, which they will probably end up doing. The only locked down spots are:
1. Luck
2. Griffin
3. Claiborne, Kalil, or trade
4. Blackmon, Richardson, Tannehill, Claiborne
5. Claiborne or Richardson
6. Blackmon or Richardson, if both are gone who knows
7. Will be traded
8. Tannehill if gone who knows
9. A defensive lineman
10. Probably an OT or CB

I guess what I meant was, we really know who the top 6 or 7 guys are just not totally the order they go in. Personally I don't think there's any chance Minnesota trades the 3 spot. I think they take Claiborne, but the OT wouldn't surprise me. I'm about 99% certain Cleveland takes Blackmon. I don't think they've given up on Colt yet. If Richardson is still there at 5, he gets taken in a heartbeat. As you said, the Jags have been trying to trade out of the 7 for a while. They need so much they want as many picks as they can get. So I guess I have no idea what Saint Louis is doing either. They'd certainly take Blackmon if he was on the board, which I doubt. They might take Kalil, or that TE from Stanford, maybe a different WR. Or really any kind of defensive player.

I just thought Miami was interesting because they always need a QB, and they can never find one. A few times over the past few years that's all the team has lacked. I mean this team is in a totally different situation if they signed Drew Brees instead of Dante "I'm no longer in the NFL" Culpepper. They worked out both players as free agents coming off major injuries, and picked Dante. The Saints appreciated this, I'm sure. One would think blind luck would dictate you could find one competent player to fill that position in the 13 years since Marino has been gone.

[Vetali]

I wouldn't say they can't find one. They found plenty, just they blow their chances with them all. Manning, Flynn and Smith this year alone. Hell, you can look back at my posts and see that I was putting my cards on Manning going to Miami early into the off season. Flynn chose Seattle over Miami because he liked the staff over at Seattle, least thats what I heard. I'm sure money was a part of it too. Alex Smith, maybe not as much as the previous two but they could have tried for him if they wanted.

[Elbren]

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Saints GM, Mickey Loomis, accused of using an 'easvedropping device' to listen to real-time playcalls of opposing teams coaches during the 2002 - 2004 seasons. It was first reported by ESPN.

Sources told "Outside the Lines" the listening device was first installed in the general manager's suite in 2000, when Loomis' predecessor, Randy Mueller, served as Saints GM. At that time, according to sources, Mueller only had the ability to use the device to monitor the game-day communications of the Saints coaching staff, not the opposing coaches. Mueller, now a senior executive with the San Diego Chargers (he also was an ESPN.com NFL analyst from 2002-05), declined to comment when contacted by "Outside the Lines."

After the transition from Mueller to Loomis, the electronic device was re-wired to listen only to opposing coaches and could no longer be used to listen to any game-day communications between members of the Saints coaching staff, one source said. "There was a switch, and the switch accessed offense and defense," said the source. "When Randy was there, it was the Saints offense or defense, and when Mickey was there it changed over so it was the visiting offense or defense," the source said.