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[Badpaladin]

College football is nowhere near the level Pro football is. It doesn't matter how well he runs something there. Gimmicks are only going to get you so far. Eventually when you've got the best players and coaches in the world against you, they're gonna figure it out. All it takes is one team to gameplan it and every other will follow suit.

That's where you're wrong -- it's not a gimmick.

As for the upcoming game, I was initially going to brace myself for an ass-ramming because of Tomlinson....although he's not they're starter, he has ALWAYS had great games against Denver, regardless of where the setting was. I'm pretty sure Denver is his favorite team to play. He's injured, though! Hooray!

[Elbren]

They both saw it coming. Raiders defense admitted they practiced the whole week against it. KC did the same thing. The problem with your stance is Tebow is widely considered the best option QB in college football history. The transition into the NFL isn't nearly as big a step up for him if he runs that offense.

I'm not saying that it can't be stopped, but so far it hasn't.

Actually it has ... by the Lions. Quite effectively I might add ... to the tune of 7 sacs, 1 INT, 2 forced fumbles and 2 TD's. He put up 172 yards but most of that was in garbage time. The other 3 teams he's played, he's beaten. Unfortunately none of them are any good. 2 of the 3 are losing teams and the only reason the 3rd team is even sniffing the playoffs is because it's the AFC West (sorry Fengore). They're -20 (Miami), -25 (Raiders) and -77 (Chiefs) in Net Points. Meaning they're getting horribly outscored by other teams and even when they win, they're not scoring much.

While I don't think they win much down the stretch, you never know. Pats and Bears games I think are definitely loses. I want to say the same about the Jets and Chargers games, but both of those teams are schizophrenic; you never know which version of them is going to show up. I also want to say they'll lose to the Bills, but they've been looking bad lately too. Amish Rifle has been letting a couple of my fantasy teams down.

Saying something like, "The transition into the NFL isn't nearly as big a step up for him if he runs that offense" is like saying, "He's good as long as he never throws the ball." That's easily the worst possible thing they could do to him. He may find limited success now, but he'll never be successful in the future if he can't throw the ball. There is no IF's, AND's or BUT's about that. Every 'running' QB that's come before him has learned that and if he wants any future in the NFL, Tebow needs to learn that too. Sooner rather than later if he wants to keep the Broncos from drafting another QB after the season.

how to counter no pass defense:

1) throw it

tebow isn't a bad passer, just not a great NFL QB. he did throw for what, 3k his last year in college?

That means absolutely nothing. You could fill a library with the names of guys who did great in college, then completely flamed out at the NFL level. As for him not being a bad passer, all you have to do is look at his passes from the Chiefs game.

#1 good coverage by the DB. Receiver had to slow down and jump for the ball. Underthrown.

#2 good coverage by the DB.

#3 Underthrown (again). To the point that the receiver has to basically stop, do a 180 and come back to the ball. The DB actually had it. If he didn't have bricks for hands, it would have been an INT.

#4 Royal probably should have caught that, but it didn't matter. He had a defender about a foot in front of him and at least 2 or 3 more busting through the line about to eat his face.

#5 3rd string back had the ball stripped from him.

#6 completion (receiver was behind the line and only about 3 yards from him)

#7 underthrown. Ball hits the ground about a yard from the receivers feet. He was almost standing still.

#8 Easily the best throw of the 8 passes. Probably the only spiral and right on his man.

[Badpaladin]

Actually it has ... by the Lions. Quite effectively I might add ... to the tune of 7 sacs, 1 INT, 2 forced fumbles and 2 TD's. He put up 172 yards but most of that was in garbage time. The other 3 teams he's played, he's beaten. Unfortunately none of them are any good. 2 of the 3 are losing teams and the only reason the 3rd team is even sniffing the playoffs is because it's the AFC West (sorry Fengore). They're -20 (Miami), -25 (Raiders) and -77 (Chiefs) in Net Points. Meaning they're getting horribly outscored by other teams and even when they win, they're not scoring much.

They didn't run the option-based offense against the Lions. They really mostly ran plays that were to his strength in the first drive, which was pretty much a touchdown if Eric Decker could have kept another foot in (pass was passable[excuse the pun]). that whole game was a superb mess, too. A defense that gives up 45 unanswered points isn't exactly giving the offense many chances. You also have to keep in mind that teams generally play better in division games as well. I can't begin to count the number of times clearly superior, good teams have lost to "crappy" teams in divisional games.

While I don't think they win much down the stretch, you never know. Pats and Bears games I think are definitely loses. I want to say the same about the Jets and Chargers games, but both of those teams are schizophrenic; you never know which version of them is going to show up. I also want to say they'll lose to the Bills, but they've been looking bad lately too. Amish Rifle has been letting a couple of my fantasy teams down.

Which is why I love the NFL. Denver was 1-4 and looking to contend for 1st draft choice....now they're 4-5 and considered to not be half bad. The Bills who started out ridiculously strong are now fading a bit. The Jets, who were looking fantastic coming into the Patriots game(against a fairly inconsistent Pats defense) got their asses smacked around the field like it was nothing. The only constants this season seem to be The Packers (and their easy schedule) and The Colts (who have got to be the worst team I've ever seen). Remember when Josh McDaniels and my Broncos lead the league in least TD's allowed and were in the top 5 week in and week out? LOLblowthatseasonhard.

Saying something like, "The transition into the NFL isn't nearly as big a step up for him if he runs that offense" is like saying, "He's good as long as he never throws the ball." That's easily the worst possible thing they could do to him. He may find limited success now, but he'll never be successful in the future if he can't throw the ball. There is no IF's, AND's or BUT's about that. Every 'running' QB that's come before him has learned that and if he wants any future in the NFL, Tebow needs to learn that too. Sooner rather than later if he wants to keep the Broncos from drafting another QB after the season.

I aboslutely think there are. It's fine to base that on the past with old players, but the NFL has never seen the kind of physical talent it has, on both sides of the ball, right now. I simply don't think it's accurate to have such a strong view on how things work that's based on physically inferior players of the past.

[Northern Goblin]

and the only reason the 3rd team is even sniffing the playoffs is because it's the AFC West (sorry Fengore).

I'm well aware we've become the trash division, it's certainly dropped in quality since I first started watching

Tebow has potential if he can be more consistent with his passing game, I've pretty much written off the AFC West accompliishing anything this year unless the heavens open and start showering us with miracles in postseason, but the division is starting to show signs of competition. Still needs certain events to take place though.

[RollTide]

I'm well aware we've become the trash division, it's certainly dropped in quality since I first started watching

Tebow has potential if he can be more consistent with his passing game, I've pretty much written off the AFC West accompliishing anything this year unless the heavens open and start showering us with miracles in postseason, but the division is starting to show signs of competition. Still needs certain events to take place though.

The West isn't good, but it's not as bad as last years NFC West either. And Seattle still managed to win a playoff game. If Philip Rivers can get fixed, SD is still a decent team that could make noise in the playoffs. Oakland is a team that could give fits to other teams. They're both teams nobody is going to want to see in the playoffs.

Tonight is going to be very interesting. I'm not gonna lie. I'm kinda rooting for Denver. After the crap the Jets talked this week, if they go out and lose, it's going to be funny as hell.

[Elbren]

After the crap the Jets talked this week, if they go out and lose, it's going to be funny as hell.

I'd imagine that they forgot Mark Sanchez was their QB.

[Badpaladin]

Well this game has been pretty fuckin' boring so far.

[RollTide]

Well this game has been pretty fuckin' boring so far.

Seriously. This is awful. It's like a lesson in how to put millions of viewers to sleep.

Awful announcing too. Mayock has always been awful but Nessler is an idiot. He's giving Collingsworth a run for his money. And why the hell does NFLN keep showing that same Top 5 highlight reel every commercial. This channel sucks.

[Pendulous]

Well this game has been pretty fuckin' boring so far.

Agreed. I was expecting more. Jets are doing well without Greene AND Tomlinson though. I hate field goal games (see: LSU/Alabama).

Tebow looks like what Tebow does. Plays the option well, makes some good, some bad passes. God does he make some bad answers in interviews though. I think I've already complained about this before, but can't athletes answer questions correctly?

[Badpaladin]

The key to scoring: fumble the ball.

[Pendulous]

The key to scoring: fumble the ball.

I know, right?

Is it not a rule that a fumbled ball cannot be advanced? I thought it was. It should be.

Also, I take back what I said. Tebow's making some bad decisions on the option. I guess it's easy to say with a bird's eye view, but he should be holding on to some of these plays himself.

[RollTide]

Seven more points might be asking a bit much now. Jets look like they've got this offense figured out.

....Assuming the Jets remember how to tackle.

[Badpaladin]

Seven more points might be asking a bit much now. Jets look like they've got this offense figured out.

....Assuming the Jets remember how to tackle.

Honestly I think it's more a factor of McGahee not being 100%. Before getting injured he was constantly falling forward at seemed to get some good gains on plays that might not have panned out well. That's simply not the case tonight.

But hey, at least Tebow isn't 0/6.

Edit: TIME FOR ANOTHER PUNT BOYS, THIS ONE'S RIVETING

[RollTide]

Okay. The Decker pass when he got flushed out was on Decker dropping it. But that last one is on Tebow. He's flat missing receivers. These are throws you have to make.

[Badpaladin]

Okay. The Decker pass when he got flushed out was on Decker dropping it. But that last one is on Tebow. He's flat missing receivers. These are throws you have to make.

Yeah, as you may have guessed I'm a birght side sort of person when my team is considered.....he needs some serious work.

Oheypicksix! Finally something interesting.

[Elbren]

lol Sanchez throws an INT. TD for Denvers defense.

How are you throwing that ball when the DB is looking you straight in the eye? lol

EDIT: Off-topic. Someone bump the MLB thread. I can't ... I was the last one to post it looks like they're basically done w/ the CBA.

[RollTide]

Does nobody want to win this game?

[Badpaladin]

Does nobody want to win this game?

Apparently not. Why the fuck would you call two timeouts before the 4th quarter? Jesus.

[Shadowfoxx]

you shouldn't question these teams...they both clearly know what they are doing on offense.

[Pendulous]

Is it just me, or is the new kick-offs rule killing returns? Not in the way that a lot more kicks are not being returned, but that when a ball DOESN'T go through the back of the end zone, return men are running it back, regardless of how deep it was(I guess becaue they don't a chance that often anymore). Thus, leading to them getting stopped well short of the 20.