NFL updates/news

[fizzbob]

in his last season, manning went 10-6 thanks to 2 games vs tennesse in the last month of the season. didn't win a playoff game. hasn't won a playoff game since 2009

when manning does less with more than tebow had, it's gonna hurt his legacy. he's too immobile to replace a guy who ran for 50+ yards a game in an offense with the worst pass catchers in the league.

OL isn't great either. manning's ego is gonna get him hurt next year

[Skarsguard]

Manning did go 10-6 his last year starting for the colts, without Manning they where sucking for luck. Look Tebow did some crazy running and made play's at the end of some game's but he sucked for 80percent of most games. With Manning you don't have to come back every single time in the 4th quarter because he's going to give them 4 solid quarters not just one like Tebow. Also there running game will be a bit better with defenses not being able to stack the box and have to spread out more which is making Willis a happy camper.

[Badpaladin]

Tebow's recievers may have dropped plenty of balls, but they were wide open even more (and he didn't even throw them the ball). That won't be the case with Manning. So, as a total Denver fan I'm blown away. I was absolutely expecting the 49ers to land him. My thoughts:

1. Demaryius Thomas is going to look wayyyyy better this year

2. Denver's defense isn't going to tire down the stretch

3. Denver's record probably won't be as good as I wish it will be. Objectively speaking, we have one of the most difficult schedules in the league. I'd definitely say top 5, although top 3 isn't too inaccurate either.

And lastly, although I am elated that Manning is choosing Denver, I can't help but feel badly for Denver. The guy had no offseason experience and was tossed into the thick of it in week 5, probably because the organization figured he'd be so bad that they would have a chance at drafting Andrew Luck. He went 6-4, and then led the Broncos to a win over the best playoff team in the AFC. Now he's probably going to be bidding for a spot as a backup somewhere.

[Vetali]

I didn't see Manning going to 49ers because they're NFC honestly. I'm willing to bet they end up singing Smith again.

[Badpaladin]

I didn't see Manning going to 49ers because they're NFC honestly. I'm willing to bet they end up singing Smith again.

At this point, yeah. The whole team seems to like the guy, so there's no good reason to bring in anybody else. I mean, hell, they were one botched punt away from a superbowl with Smith. No reason why he can't improve, especially with improved receivers.

[reg4HoA]

dang well peyton should have signed with the niners now he ll be just like joe montana; be good, maybe win a playoff game but wont' win a superbowl.

[Anoushe]

Tbh tebow should be a running back rather then a QB he runs the ball more then the throws 20 percent throws 80 percent running...if it wasnt for the great defence id see a dead tebow. Peyton should do great really he carried the colts on his back now its Broncos time..but im sure if he joined the 49ers hid have 100 percent chance of going to a SuperBowl...

[Irony]

dang well peyton should have signed with the niners now he ll be just like joe montana; be good, maybe win a playoff game but wont' win a superbowl.

Er... Joe Montana has 4 Superbowls and Peyton already got one in '06.

[Drofu]

David Garrard is heading to Miami for a 1 year deal. Is Garrard even better than Moore? Looking more and more like Tebow is going to be a second string Quarterback.

[Jibjabb]

in his last season, manning went 10-6 thanks to 2 games vs tennesse in the last month of the season. didn't win a playoff game. hasn't won a playoff game since 2009

when manning does less with more than tebow had, it's gonna hurt his legacy. he's too immobile to replace a guy who ran for 50+ yards a game in an offense with the worst pass catchers in the league.

OL isn't great either. manning's ego is gonna get him hurt next year

Manning is astronomically better than Tebow there is no way hes going to make the team worse. The team may end up being worse if the defense/o-line/running game dont play as well as it did last year but theres is zero chance the passing game will be less effective, its honestly hard to get much worse than the broncos were for many games that Tebow was under center. The Colts were a much worse team minus Manning than the Broncos are minus Tebow.

Tbh tebow should be a running back rather then a QB he runs the ball more then the throws 20 percent throws 80 percent running...if it wasnt for the great defence id see a dead tebow. Peyton should do great really he carried the colts on his back now its Broncos time..but im sure if he joined the 49ers hid have 100 percent chance of going to a SuperBowl...

Theres no way you can say a team has a 100% chance of going to the superbowl regardless of who they get. Green Bay Packers won the super bowl with a ton of people injured. Got all those people back for next season and started off just killing teams going undefeated. And they didnt even make the super bowl the next year. Its too hard to say a team is going to repeat, teams change drastically in performance year to year in football, moreso than any other sport. Than consider its 1 game elimination all it takes is 1 bad game or another teams good game and you are out.

I still dont think 49ers are that good of a team, solid sure. But this dominant force people make them out to be... no not at all. They will make the playoffs by default once again but I dont expect much after that. Even if Peyton was there you cant just book a win over Green Bay, New Orleans, New York, Chicago, and Philly.

[Rivenda]

That division is a cakewalk. Barring any major injuries/setbacks, Adding Manning to ANY of those teams is basically a free pass into the playoffs.

Yes it is. However Manning can't run like Tebow can. Last year you saw how much the pocket around Tebow fell apart, and that's where my concern is, Manning just can't run away from that, he is going to take hits, and with his age all it takes is just one hard hit and it's over.

[conscript]

Yes it is. However Manning can't run like Tebow can. Last year you saw how much the pocket around Tebow fell apart, and that's where my concern is, Manning just can't run away from that, he is going to take hits, and with his age all it takes is just one hard hit and it's over.

It is a concern, but I think it is wildly overblown. Manning almost never gets hit hard. The Colts line has been wildly mediocre for years and Denver's line is actually pretty damn good and it was a major QB issue with them last year with the scrambling and holding onto the ball forever. Denver's line isn't worse than Indy's for sure, especially not with Clady at tackle. Tebow was the issue with their protection.

Tim Tebow was sacked 39 times in 353 dropbacks in the last two years.
Peyton Manning was sacked 40 times in 1805 dropbacks over his last three years.

Manning doesn't hold onto the ball, ever. A roughly 2% sack rate taking around 1 sack per game is insanely low and that was with a bad line in Indy. Is Manning going to be hit, sure, but I don't buy at all that the chance his career is ended by a single hit is that much higher than any other player in the NFL. Everyone is one hit away from retirement.

[Catharlex]

Life long Colts fan, and as much as I'm upset with Irsay for gutting the team, I'll still continue to support them.

But I will also have a second team to be rooting for this year. Go Broncos! I truly hope Peyton has a stunning next 3-5 years to end a legendary career. It's truly been an honor to watch a legend play the game for the team I love, and now I will continue to watch and support him.

[Elbren]

Mannings' deal is 5 years, $96 Mil. with $18 Mil. guaranteed.

[fizzbob]

colts line has been well above average until last year, he got PRESSURED LESS than anyone in the league as far as % of passing plays is concerned

the REASON he sat out last year was everyone knew the colts OL was bad. it's why 2 QBs got concussions last year. the colts all got old together.

manning hasn't won a playoff game since 2009
he has 33 picks in his last 32 regular season games
colts started 6-6 in his last season then ran into tennesse 2x in the last 4 games to finish 10-6 and get whipped in the playoffs
he's not at 100%, he'll never regain all his throwing strength and he's only as good as his surrounding cast anyway. this guy threw over 20 picks more than once, he doesn't deal with pressure well, and he'll throw passes he shouldn't

there is no way he wins more than 8 or runs for 600yds

running QBs make the running game better because misdirection is useful. broncos will regress and people will say "aww, manning just isn't healthy i guess"

of course not, the injury he has never goes away, i deal with it daily, it hurts and keeps you from sleeping. athletic movements, ESPECIALLY the throwing motion, makes it worse. when you tweak it, you won't sleep for a month and it will cause your nerves to tighten up and straight up tear

he's not risking paralyzation, he's risking his sanity because this injury makes you wish you were dead it can hurt so much

manning will get a free pass like he always has though. he's likable and that transcends what you do on the field. he had teams that should have won the superbowl 3 or 4 times in indy, he should have won a championship in the SEC as a senior but didn't.

his numbers in pressure situations aren't great and he's always had a free pass.

[conscript]

Mannings' deal is 5 years, $96 Mil. with $18 Mil. guaranteed.

Fan-freaking-tastic deal for Denver. The 4th and 5th year on that deal are likely throw away years anyways. Only $18 million guaranteed is absolutely great considering a lot of people were throwing around a $55 million guaranteed figure after the Mario Williams contract.

[Badpaladin]

Fan-freaking-tastic deal for Denver. The 4th and 5th year on that deal are likely throw away years anyways. Only $18 million guaranteed is absolutely great considering a lot of people were throwing around a $55 million guaranteed figure after the Mario Williams contract.

That just goes to show that Manning wants a market price for top-tier quarterbacks, and that's it. I gotta hand it to him, he's been a real class act in this whole free agency craziness. Keeps it low-key, visits teams himself, works out for teams after they've shown interest in him, keep his decision to himself until it's time to reveal it, and doesn't demand an unreasonably contract for a player of his caliber.

@fizzbob -- I think his injuries are overblown. He's taken plenty of very hard hits in his career and never missed a game until last season. Injuries aside, you also have to consider the fact that the man is fucking antsy to play. There was a clip on ESPN where Warren Sapp was talking about when he injured his knee in Oakland. He came out the next year and had 10 sacks in his 12th year of playing. I'm not going to think for a second that Manning doesn't want to desperately win games and dominate the AFC again.

[Northern Goblin]

Manning doesn't hold onto the ball, ever. A roughly 2% sack rate taking around 1 sack per game is insanely low and that was with a bad line in Indy. Is Manning going to be hit, sure, but I don't buy at all that the chance his career is ended by a single hit is that much higher than any other player in the NFL. Everyone is one hit away from retirement.

How's Denver for Recievers going into next year, half the time I watched Tebow he looked like he didn't have anyone to throw to. Whether that's his lack of judgement or the WR's not getting open Idk.

[Badpaladin]

How's Denver for Recievers going into next year, half the time I watched Tebow he looked like he didn't have anyone to throw to. Whether that's his lack of judgement or the WR's not getting open Idk.

My guess is Denver's receivers are going to be okay. Although Decker and Thomas had a lot of retarded drops, they were wide open far more often and never got the ball to them. I was able to see a few of his games in full and one live (when they played in Oakland last season), and he just flat out didn't see his guys.

Stokely also lives in Colorado, so he might sign on as a 4th or 5th receiver in the slot. Denver is also (I believe) going to be pursuing Mike Wallace. My guess is they'll nab up Saturday and Clark and then have enough for a solid 7-8 million dollar deal for Wallace that the Steelers can't match. Wallace, Decker, Thomas and Stokely would definitely be one of the more dangerous combos in the league.

[conscript]

How's Denver for Recievers going into next year, half the time I watched Tebow he looked like he didn't have anyone to throw to. Whether that's his lack of judgement or the WR's not getting open Idk.

Decker and Thomas will be fine. They are probably going to sign Jacob Tamme or Dallas Clark at Tight End for another threat. Then they either have Moreno or potentially Addai if they sign him as the passing threat RB. They could use another passing option though, but that can be addressed late or in the middle of the draft. Hell they can go get Mike Wallace right now from Pittsburgh and he would be fantastic with Manning. Guys were getting open last year, Tebow just couldn't find them because he isn't a great QB. It wasn't the San Francisco situation where their WRs literally can't get seperation if they were swinging a sword at their coverage man. Tebow missed a lot of open guys, he did hit one big one though in the OT TD to Thomas against the Steelers, and his timing was in general just awful last year so that really took away from his receivers. Then again, those receivers probably got a lot of cushion because the passing game was rarely a threat with Tebow so who really knows. Those guys are still with the club and Denver didn't chase Jackson or any of the other big name WRs though so they must be at least half decent for Elway to keep them around.

It is going to be hard to get used to seeing this though:


---------- Post added 2012-03-20 at 03:49 PM ----------

Stokely also lives in Colorado, so he might sign on as a 4th or 5th receiver in the slot. Denver is also (I believe) going to be pursuing Mike Wallace. My guess is they'll nab up Saturday and Clark and then have enough for a solid 7-8 million dollar deal for Wallace that the Steelers can't match. Wallace, Decker, Thomas and Stokely would definitely be one of the more dangerous combos in the league.

Stokes and Peyton are real good friends so that wouldn't surprise me at all. Dude is so old though so who knows what kind of step he has left. If Kendall Wright is still on the board at 25 you have to jump at him if you are Denver. Wright is going to be an excellent slot receiver and he can fill in in the return game for Royal. Could always go for Still and try and get a WR in lower rounds though without having it be too much of a downgrade from what they will get with Wright.