vigilance constant nerf...

[Mammoth]

The -3% damage was completely OP compared to other tank specs, it had to be nerfed. The other effects of vigi are great, and is one of the things that make us a unique tank class. Lets face it, theres only so many moves you can construct for a class that just bashes things with weapons without using that pansy magic. Taunts and increased tps from Vengeance is win.

For everyone debunking, I suggest you get "Vengeance Status" addon. Watch the rate at which vengeace grows and falls, vigilance is a great buff and more valuable to me than any couple of points in a dps tree.

---------- Post added 2010-11-15 at 01:35 PM ----------

Only thing that pisses me off about vigilance is that it only lasts 30mins and then I need to refresh it.

Would prefer it on an 1hour cd simply because refreshing it on my tanking buddy gets on my tits.

It could have infinite duration, as long as the other guy is within range of you. But I don't see 30 mins as a problem as I will always refresh before a boss fight. Maybe you should petition for a minor glyph on the offical forums if you feel strongly about doubling the duration.

[Cracka_Bob]

The -3% damage was completely OP compared to other tank specs, it had to be nerfed. The other effects of vigi are great, and is one of the things that make us a unique tank class. Lets face it, theres only so many moves you can construct for a class that just bashes things with weapons without using that pansy magic. Taunts and increased tps from Vengeance is win.

For everyone debunking, I suggest you get "Vengeance Status" addon. Watch the rate at which vengeace grows and falls, vigilance is a great buff and more valuable to me than any couple of points in a dps tree.

---------- Post added 2010-11-15 at 01:35 PM ----------



It could have infinite duration, as long as the other guy is within range of you. But I don't see 30 mins as a problem as I will always refresh before a boss fight. Maybe you should petition for a minor glyph on the offical forums if you feel strongly about doubling the duration.

i dont consider it OP since it gives the 3% damage reduction to someone else... better than what the other tanks have for other people maybe, but not OP and certainly not gamebreaking. but i still agree with the rest of what you said... free taunt refresh (as long as the other guy is getting hit) and free vengeance... and with the addon you mentioned (which i downloaded as soon as the patch went live) i have anywhere from 98-100% vengeance uptime of 100% vengeance

but alas... the talent is still very lackluster in most 5 mans

[Krunsh]

It has been crap since it lost the ability to transfer threat. Sure the taunt Cd might be usefull, but the extra threat was always nice.

[TheBloodKrayze]

i used it in pvp/arena when i was running with a healer but always respeced/droped it 4 raids if ur doing ur job u dont need it

i mean yea it sucks but meh its always been a filler talent any ways

It's still really good for tank switching fights as even if you are off-tanking you are still building up vengeance which helps you stay up on threat, sure you can do the job w/o it but there's really no other talents you could take in it's place.

[KrazyKris]

It has been crap since it lost the ability to transfer threat. Sure the taunt Cd might be usefull, but the extra threat was always nice.

It still gives a ton of threat by allowing vengeance to stack faster. Actually I'd say you probably get more from the vengeance than from the 10% threat.

[Igra]

I honestly don't know any tanks who ever used vigilance solely because it reduced the damage on someone. Only used it for the threat gen on the highest threat pullers. It is kind of silly what they have done =/

[Cracka_Bob]

I honestly don't know any tanks who ever used vigilance solely because it reduced the damage on someone. Only used it for the threat gen on the highest threat pullers. It is kind of silly what they have done =/

actually pre-patch thats what i did if there was another warrior tank with no prot pallies or disc priests around... of course this was a rare occasion, so most of the time i did end up putting it on the highest threat group member (who wasnt a tank)

[Pickwickman]

You poor thing. Life must be so difficult for you.

This. Why do you find a 30 min ability short? I suppose you aren't fond of using BS/CS/DS? 30min. is long for such a buff.

Vigilance has been remade to be a tauntrefresh/vengeance buildup talent. Although I liked old Vigilance a little more because it acted like a threatbuffer on your DPS, I don't think we will need that much extra threat.

[Deleted]

This. Why do you find a 30 min ability short? I suppose you aren't fond of using BS/CS/DS? 30min. is long for such a buff.

Haha - Talk about blowing a simple comment out of proportion