1. #6761
    Quote Originally Posted by MorradinCC View Post
    12' Monster 1000 HDMI for 3D games
    In the future, don't waste $100 on an HDMI cable. :|

    HDMI is HDMI, a $6 HDMI cable yields the exact same performance since the signal is digital. The sole exception is 1.0 vs 1.1, where 1.0 -might- be a hair short of 1080p 3D capable.

    The reality of it though is that you'll be extremely hard pressed to find a 1.0 cable in the first place, and any 1.1+ HDMI cables cost a measly $5 online.
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    The PC for my stepson for his High School graduation. I wanted to give him something decent since in the fall he will be going in the NAVY.

    Case: Rosewill Blackhawk
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    Above currently running at 4.3ghz.

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  3. #6763
    Quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    In the future, don't waste $100 on an HDMI cable. :|

    HDMI is HDMI, a $6 HDMI cable yields the exact same performance since the signal is digital.
    You are actually incorrect. There is a GB/second transfer rate on each HDMI cable, and for 1080p 3D @ 60 fps (28fps for movies I believe), you need much higher GBpS than a cheapo 6$ cable can provide. I used a standard rocketfish cable from PC to my tv to watch kung-fu panda 2 3D, and then swapped back to the monster 1000 and there was an obvious difference. Now I know that right now no games work @ 60 FPS in 3D unless you knock it down to 1280x720 but when they have that capability I will be ready. Also if you read my whole post you would've seen I got it at discount. at 5% above cost (best buy employee discount prior to august 2011) it was only 30$. My two 100' rolls of monster XP speaker cable were 6$ each, so on and so forth.

    Edit: In response to your edit, You are correct in that the 1.1 is capable of 1080p 3D, but If I want to spend 30$ on a fancy cable with a higher build quality, I think I'm allowed to splurge now and then. When I bought the cable it retailed for 180$, and no way in hell I would ever spend more than 50$ for any kind of cable for anything lol
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    http://gizmodo.com/268788/the-truth-...keep-upusually

    What I gather from this article is that, while Monster cables generally can pull off what you need, unless you're needing rather long distances, Monster is more or less a waste, you can skimp for shorter distances, so in that regard, glo is completely correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    http://gizmodo.com/268788/the-truth-...keep-upusually

    What I gather from this article is that, while Monster cables generally can pull off what you need, unless you're needing rather long distances, Monster is more or less a waste, you can skimp for shorter distances, so in that regard, glo is completely correct.
    You will have to forgive me as my brain is still in the best buy "sales-shark predatory" mode when I talk about home theater stuff. After telling customers this stuff for years its hard to leave it all behind when talking to people not so easily fooled. Anyway you are correct in that short distances you can get by with a cheaper cable, however I did notice artifacts and compression on some newer 3D movies with the rocketfish HDMI cables. For straight 1080p content, a 6$ cable is fine. If you already have a 1000$+ 3D tv, a little more on a cable isn't going to make or break you, and I honestly think you are getting a better quality cable. I guess the 6$ cable and the 180$ cable is like comparing a ford festiva and a Lambo, they will both get you there, but if you had the money to spend on gas/insurance/payments, you would buy the Lambo.

    TLDR: "HDMI is HDMI" is not true, there are differences and it bugs me when people say its so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorradinCC View Post
    I guess the 6$ cable and the 180$ cable is like comparing a ford festiva and a Lambo, they will both get you there, but if you had the money to spend on gas/insurance/payments, you would buy the Lambo.

    TLDR: "HDMI is HDMI" is not true, there are differences and it bugs me when people say its so.
    Frankly I disagree with this analogy, as it's taking it to the extremes, however this is going enormously off-topic and you did kind of admit that we are people who are not so easily fooled on this subject (plenty of us are going deeper and deeper into this industry, far deeper than any Best Buy employee would frankly have any clue about, no disrespect intended) so I think you should perhaps consider what you believe you know and what you believe is the actual truth. No cable should be $180 and the only reason it should get to be that expensive is from sheer length because of all the metal and other precious materials used in it.

    i.e. metal and materials have gotten extremely expensive, but there is really no "quality" difference.

    Anyways, I will be removing myself from this specific conversation, but if you want to further debate the topic, I know several other regulars would like to debate with you, so make a thread about the topic if you'd like.
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    nice build apoc looks expensive. Cant post pictures yet ; [

    here is my set up

    Amd fx 4100 3.6 ghz so far its been beast
    Msi micro 760GM p23 FX mobo sucks ;[ north bridge over heats some times
    Corsair cx 430 wat psu Power cables are to short in thick
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    This was my first build so the Cable management sucked
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burritoman View Post
    nice build apoc looks expensive. Cant post pictures yet ; [
    The kid's i5-2500 build was about $1100 USD not including my hand-me-down 6970 from my build (i now have the 7970)

    My sim-racer the shelves, racing chair, logitech G29 and PVC, MDF, misc was about $1100 USD, and my PC was (2 years ago) in the $2k range.

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    not bad man I'm just upset about my cable Management it turn out stupid I'm not sure if I can put in a bigger graphic card with out replacing my Psu ; / I'm also getting 4 more 120m fans this week because my north bridge is like 72c at max gaming

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorradinCC View Post
    You will have to forgive me as my brain is still in the best buy "sales-shark predatory" mode when I talk about home theater stuff. After telling customers this stuff for years its hard to leave it all behind when talking to people not so easily fooled. Anyway you are correct in that short distances you can get by with a cheaper cable, however I did notice artifacts and compression on some newer 3D movies with the rocketfish HDMI cables. For straight 1080p content, a 6$ cable is fine. If you already have a 1000$+ 3D tv, a little more on a cable isn't going to make or break you, and I honestly think you are getting a better quality cable. I guess the 6$ cable and the 180$ cable is like comparing a ford festiva and a Lambo, they will both get you there, but if you had the money to spend on gas/insurance/payments, you would buy the Lambo.

    TLDR: "HDMI is HDMI" is not true, there are differences and it bugs me when people say its so.
    The brand of cable doesn't matter, what I said still holds true. Digital is digital. A fancy cable can't magically improve a digital signal. Further:

    HDMI 1.0-1.2 has 4Gbit~ of bandwidth and supports up to 1080p @ 60hz, which is exactly what you need for 3D. If you're running a higher resolution, then yes, you'll need HDMI 3.0+. Otherwise, no. If you need to travel longer distances than normal (think 20+ feet), then yeah, you might need a better shielded cable.

    If one insists on buying a 1.4 spec cable, they can still be had for $5 online.

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    So, Digital is Digital. It will either display the image or it wont. This is true. Now I just need to figure out why I can SEE a difference between my old rocketfish HDMI 1.0 cables and my 1.4 cables when watching 3D.

    Edit: Also please don't think that I am going from my best buy experience, I have a 4 year degree in networking security which included many cabling classes.
    Last edited by MorradinCC; 2012-04-30 at 06:39 PM.

  13. #6773
    I'm not nearly as familiar with this as I should probably be, but you probably straight up got a bad cable. This isn't my field of expertise at all, but the resulting picture shouldn't change unless there is an issue along the line or the result is horribly misinterpreted.

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    We're drifting off-topic once again. If you want to discuss the intricacies of data transmission and the cables that are involved, I welcome you to open a dedicated thread on the subject.

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    Current comp build

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    NZXT M59 - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
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    Playing on a 47in Vizio TV.
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    And planning on getting a SSD at some point.
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    I don't agree with motherboard/CPU choice. You could have gotten something much stronger from Intel's offerings for the same amount of $$.

    Why upgrade from a GTX 460 to a GTX 560? The difference will be so minuscule you'll swear they're the same graphics card. (To a degree, they actually are.)

    Here's a comparison of a 460 768MB VRAM vs a 560 Ti (a better 560, the plain 560 will be a chunk weaker.)

    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/315?vs=330
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    i know they are the same card i was going to get another 460 but i could not find another 768mb versions so i went with the 560 and plan on sli 2 of them but money is tight atm so going with a budget card and i know the diff in price is only like 50 buck but eh. And for the mobo/cpu i am a amd fan not saying any bad about intel i just prefer amd and the build was only 800 bucks so im happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synthaxx View Post
    I just want to clarify, you're not intending to try and SLI a 560 and 460 are you? I perhaps misread but just want to be sure
    I do agree that you could have got an Intel based build for similar price and get more performance (i3-2100 for example, or an i5-2400 if you were looking for something more). However, if you're happy with it, that's what matters
    LOL no no no i have a friend who is buying my 460 and i am going to get another 560 when i get the cash

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    Finally finished building my computer.

    Case: Thermaltake Level 10 GT
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    Very nice setup. Beautiful green lighting =p

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