[Mechanics] Dark Intent (4.2)

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I posted about vampiric touch, you replied talking about vampiric embrace.

[New]

I appologize. I was speaking about the post after yours in my post. Had I taken more care in the review of the previous posts, I would have seen your point in your response. All my testing had revolved around the Vampiric Embrace heals from Devouring Plague and Mind Flay. I'm interested in testing the idea that Vampiric Touch may have some unique properties in relation to Dark Intent.

[Deleted]

After some more investigating it didnt seem to be related to VT however

[New]

That would have helped our legitimacy for the buff even more; tragic. Thank you for relating that information back before having to test it myself later.

[Hotchocolate]

Devouring Plague heals the shadowpriest without vampiric embrace, maybe these crits count as critical heals and can proc the heal version of dark intent

[New]

That is true. But critical strikes of Devouring Plague through Vampiric Embrace and it's own healing mechanic do not appear to be able to crit so they cannot proc Dark Intent.

[Xorn]

Frostfire mage is a primarily Frost spec using Frostfire bolt instead of Frostbolt.

---------- Post added 2010-12-16 at 02:24 PM ----------

One thing I'd like to add - if you pick a target with less than 66% uptime on the warlock (basically Combat Rogue and lower) you run an increased risk of just never hitting 3 stacks of the buff, and therefore getting a lot less dps than listed.

Probability sucks sometimes.

What about Fire specced mages who use Frostfire bolt (and glyph) instead of Fireball? Would that be the same uptime as a regular Fire mage, or would it be higher due to the glyph?

[Xorn]

A fire mage using frostfire bolt and glyph of frostfire will unquestionably have better uptime of the buff IF both players have equal game skill, gear, talents etc and the fight is the same (they have an extra DoT rolling, and frostfire glyph critical ticks do refresh the dark intent buff). I can't comment on how using frostfire bolt over fireball will affect the mage's dps though.

Well since that is the case, I would be curious to see if that would trump Boomkin on the charts. Certainly shadow priest is still the best option, but perhaps a FFB mage would be better than a Boomkin.

As for DPS, they are SUPPOSED to be equal in theory, as it was Blizzard's intention to balance them out, but I haven't been following mages in Cata so I have no clue if they actually are.

[dark666105]

I have to say if you used the default simcraft list of actions for a balance druid it is rather sub optimal, not to mention as I have heard the balance druid module isn't finished.

[Deleted]

On a side-note:
Is Hellfire considered a DoT? I read somewhere (Wowhead I think) that Drain Soul and Drain Life were considered a DoT, and since both Hellfire and Drain Life are channeled...

To answer my own question:
Yes, Hellfire is considered a DoT. I just noticed my Felguard got the proc (I was farming Embersilk, and I had to put it on something, didn't I?:P), but I only used Hellfire. So, Hellfire is considered a DoT, and therfore it will benefit from the +3/6/9% buff?

[Kayko]

Since this is just simulcrafting of the ability, I assume accepted typical spec and glyphs are used for showing the numbers and also player mistakes are removed from runs.
My question is what is the avg upkeep of each of these classes listed? I'm geussing that the lower gains from classes such as MM hunters is primarly due to low Periodic Damage abilities and therfor a lower upkeep.

[Faradin]

Hello,

I just wanted to get a second opinion on something. Would it be worth double stacking dark intents on a destruction warlock between 2202 and 2639 haste rating, thus giving them an extra tick of immolate (assuming my math was correct). I'm trying to leave out my own thoughts on this, but passing the threshold itself was an ~800 dps increase using the EJ priority list and BiS list in a simulation. That number won't be completely accurate since EJ's BiS list could use some work, but it should be accurate enough to draw some conclusions.

[gherkin]

I have to say if you used the default simcraft list of actions for a balance druid it is rather sub optimal, not to mention as I have heard the balance druid module isn't finished.

If you would be able to provide a better action list I would be happy to oblige. As for "finished", none of the classes will ever be "finished" but SimCraft will constantly revise as we get more information about the game. Based on projected numbers, it's as close as it can be without more people looking at it.

---------- Post added 2011-01-04 at 09:38 AM ----------

Hello,

I just wanted to get a second opinion on something. Would it be worth double stacking dark intents on a destruction warlock between 2202 and 2639 haste rating, thus giving them an extra tick of immolate (assuming my math was correct). I'm trying to leave out my own thoughts on this, but passing the threshold itself was an ~800 dps increase using the EJ priority list and BiS list in a simulation. That number won't be completely accurate since EJ's BiS list could use some work, but it should be accurate enough to draw some conclusions.

It could be used in such a way providing Healing is not an issue and the Shadow Priest/Moonkin/Fire mages all already have it. Remember that there is more of a gain to putting it on different classes than just raw numbers - Fire Mages excel at aoe, Shadow Priests (with hasted SWP) gain more dps while moving, Moonkin dot crits are very very large. There will be instances we can never simulate where a non-warlock target is a better target regardless of the haste thresholds simply due to the fight mechanics.

---------- Post added 2011-01-04 at 09:42 AM ----------

@Mihir - There seems to be a bug where applying DI to one target does not remove it from another properly. I cannot reliably repeat it, but based on your combat log it looks like its a pulse 3-5s after applying it to a target that searches for another target with DI and removes itself. This would explain the pet DI bug quite well, and it makes me wonder if you could put it on the entire raid by having them disconnect immediately after application.

[Deleted]

Thanks, this guide inceased my dps a lot

[Deleted]

such a shame no one in my guild will listen to posts like this one. we have 4 warlocks each trading with each other and refused to buff SPs, DKs, Druids, etc etc.

it's really starting to get annoying seeing as said classes are top dps and they'd be a lot higher if it wasn't for the greedy warlocks. gg.

[gherkin]

Send them to me and if it is within my power I will crotch punch them.

[Stinkbog]

This has been a very helpful reference for me. Thanks gherkin.

[The Trunk Munky]

1 more known flaw to add is that almost every class can gear (especially with reforging) based around having the static 3% Haste. This could have a pretty big effect if, for example, a Shadow Priest needs the 3% Haste to reach an extra DOT tick.

Also, this is extremely relative but in AoE fights where Combustion can do crazy damage its probably best to give it to a Fire Mage over any class.

[dark666105]

If you would be able to provide a better action list I would be happy to oblige. As for "finished", none of the classes will ever be "finished" but SimCraft will constantly revise as we get more information about the game. Based on projected numbers, it's as close as it can be without more people looking at it.

I'm working on a better action list but right away I would say, take out the faerie fire lines (just about always covered by someone else and not worth the time to cast for us) and the inny lines (any BiS boomkin is just about never going to need their inny unless they give it to a healer and i've been finding that occurance less and less)

[Deleted]

add warlocks to the list as we can do the wrath mage "but if we share it we get 6% haste!"

ohh and im never ever ever ever going to use it on a mage. thay didnt wanner FM me when i hit them in the head whith crit scaling last exp.

but it looks flawed not to add locks to the list when you got holy paladins

The difference is double fm'ing mage was categorically the best rdps choice

Whereas double di'ing locks isnt