Restoration Shaman in Cataclysm

[Kinettik]

Could you give me a definition of a "better" shaman ? Since that does not include shamans from Ensidia, Paragon or Method - Not suggesting that they all are "amazing zomg", however, they are raiding content where they have to push there mana to the maximum and thereby a 177 mp5 increase is fucking amazing no matter how you spin it.

What you keep forgetting is that a lot of guides only focus on pure HPS - Which is fucking retarded since you cannot calculate how to heal and heal most efficient. Healing isn't about being #1 on recount, healing is about keeping tanks, yourself, fellow healers, dps and maybe pets alive and you will get different assignments in regards to that. Sure, if you stand at 50% mana after each fight then you maybe can switch it, but then take a look: Did anyone die ? If so could you have saved him by using e.g. HS despite the fact it burns your mana? Do you use 8 healers for a fight which does not require more than 6 top 7 healers?

You do realize that WS glyph, while it may seem like a good amount only returns enough mana for 2 Heals (GHW or HS) in a 6 min fight?? I fail to see how that outweighs any of the other glyphs in use, but id like to hear your rational behind it.

[Willis]

Excellent guide.

My 4 favorite "healing" spells: Cleanse Spirit. Purge. Wind Sheer. Gounding Totem. Add that with all the synergy shamans have, we make healing look good.

[Eijnar]

You do realize that WS glyph, while it may seem like a good amount only returns enough mana for 2 Heals (GHW or HS) in a 6 min fight?? I fail to see how that outweighs any of the other glyphs in use, but id like to hear your rational behind it.

I do realize that and yes it is "only" 2124 mana pr. minute which roughly is equivalent to a HW - However, why do you want spirit since it only provides a marginal increase in your mana regeneration ? You could just reforge all your spirit to haste or crit for more output, but would that be a smart choice ? NO, unless you end every fight with +40% mana with no pot used, no people who have died and not using 1-2 to many healers for an encounter you want that extra regeneration. From a pure "mana is never an issue and I just want a high HPS" you would want to go without WS - Be my guest, however, is that a smart way to play just focusing on pure HPS? Not really.

[Madhoof]

Just to check I got it: you mean it's better to use the WS glyph and reforge some spirit (worth 177mp5) to haste/crit/mastery since it's a bigger increase of HPS/HPM than using ES/ELW/RT and getting that 177mp5 from spirit?

[Carighan]

Excellent guide.

My 4 favorite "healing" spells: Cleanse Spirit. Purge. Wind Sheer. Gounding Totem. Add that with all the synergy shamans have, we make healing look good.

For 5mans this is a smart 1-liner. Those four spells do a lot more good in most 5man trash/boss-fights than our actual heals.

[Eijnar]

No - My point is that if you value HPS much higher than mp5 you might as well do that.

I might not have been to clear in my post sorry about that.

[Whisperawr]

Well PvP is a whole different monster. You've got to make sure you're hit capped and have at least 200 spell penetration. However, in BG's you'll end up probably going Int or Spirit. Depends what you need more: throughput or longevity (or find a good balance!).

Not even hit "capped" really I don't think. Most shamans are only gearing for 3-4% hit rating in PvP at the moment. Although, the reasoning behind this is probably because of the gear restrictions at the moment. Getting a piece of gear with hit rating, a hit rating enchant, and reforging limits us.

[Madhoof]

This is actually a misconception of the mana regeneration model, and it provides much more benefit than "only" 2124 mana per minute. For each point of mana regeneration you accrue, it becomes more valuable than the last point, in that it extends your 'time until OOM' by a nonlinear factor. Essentially this means mana regeneration scales. Going from 0 to 200 MP5 is much different than going from 3000 to 3200 MP5. This is what is defined as effective mana.

DO you have a source/proof for that? Since it's the first time a hear about that.

[Kinettik]

I do realize that and yes it is "only" 2124 mana pr. minute which roughly is equivalent to a HW - However, why do you want spirit since it only provides a marginal increase in your mana regeneration ? You could just reforge all your spirit to haste or crit for more output, but would that be a smart choice ? NO, unless you end every fight with +40% mana with no pot used, no people who have died and not using 1-2 to many healers for an encounter you want that extra regeneration. From a pure "mana is never an issue and I just want a high HPS" you would want to go without WS - Be my guest, however, is that a smart way to play just focusing on pure HPS? Not really.

Your argument makes no sense. Im not advocating the effectiveness of spirit, but instead the effectiveness of an Mp5 glyph that gimps potential healing for the cost of 2 more casts (6 if their HWs). Lets just call that 60 - 80k worth of healing. Over a 6 min fight, any one of the other glyphs will surpass that by a wide margin. If you care to read any of my other posts, i talk about ending fights around 20% mana, which gives me a little bit of wiggle room in my healing selection should the need arise, using your analogy is absurd and your trying to make points without actually saying anything useful, thats not helping your argument. I sit around 2k Spirit now and dont go OOM, i just cant see the effective value of a glyph that does little in the way of actual healing.

This is actually a misconception of the mana regeneration model, and it provides much more benefit than "only" 2124 mana per minute. For each point of mana regeneration you accrue, it becomes more valuable than the last point, in that it extends your 'time until OOM' by a nonlinear factor. Essentially this means mana regeneration scales. Going from 0 to 200 MP5 is much different than going from 3000 to 3200 MP5. This is what is defined as effective mana.

Source? And your analogy is a poor one. Your essentially comparing the mana regen on a level 1 with a level 85. If instead you want to talk about the difference between 3k-3.2k and 3.2-3.4k then you can make an accurate comparison between them. I get what your saying though, while using this "Extra mana" (this assumes a point at which you will go OOM) your still gaining mana from regen, however i can use the 13k mana i gain in a 6 min fight from this glyph in 3 secs, during which time i gained no mana and still are OOM waiting on regen. Now, gaining that extra 200 Mp5 at this point means nothing since i have to wait 5 more secs to have enough mana to cast a big heal (HS or GHW), in which case im OOM again. All in all, great theory, but its practicality is lacking.

In all honesty, id rather just be a better healer and learn to use mana efficiently than gimp the heals im actually using. There is no reason to go OOM with 3k Mp5 and proper MTT/Trinket usage apart from shit hitting the fan, which in that case id rather have better heals and HoTs than the hope to squeeze out 2 last heals at the end, just my opinion though.

[kinreal]

i would just like to add,

R.I.P. Cleansing totem

[Eijnar]

Maybe not - But since you do not have mana issues is there any chance you could post a log of how you are playing ? And is it 10 man or 25man ? Let me take our Nefarian kill this week where I ended up with having "gained" roughly 225000 mana and I was OOM at the end of the fight. My OH is around 20% which in a 25man raid environment isn't abnormal. Now it was about a 9 minute fight which equals about 20000 mana and I ended on 5% mana at the end of that fight and I'm sitting on 2225 spirit currently and when talking about 25man I am usually OOM or very very close at the end of an encounter. So please, show me a log so I can see how you avoid going OOM.

---------- Post added 2011-01-07 at 06:46 PM ----------

10000 - (500*X) + (50*X*2.5/5) = 0

X = Number of Casts = 21.05 casts until OOM. Time until OOM = 52.625 seconds.

Could you explain the last part of the equation ?

[Sparkalark]

177 mp5 is NOT worth the equivalent in spirit, since this value is what determines how OP your manatide totem is for you, so dont forge off spirit on the assumption the glyph will cover it.

[Asmin]

I'd have to disagee significantly with Haste being one of our best stats. Perhaps it may be again when mana is no longer an issue at all and we can spam heals without dropping below 75% regardless of how hard we try, but in current gear levels it's preferable to hit the breakpoints for our HOT's for the extra tic's and provides better utility for ourselves if we go with Crit. Like the poster above me mentioned, Haste scales horribly at this point because even if we stack it to no end, we'll barely get to the second HOT breakpoint and we wont shave much off of our cast times.

mana isn't so big issue allready :P if you just smart use trinket+ tide, VP trinket+ JC trinket + tide = Success( loads of mana) theres really rare bosses when ive been taken to the point of CANT heal properly ( omnotron HC 25 where didin't have the issue after sitting even a bit in the regen cloud) and if had potion normaly does the trick till next tide expecially in 25 man raiding should have 2 resto shamans 1,5 min cd basicly for tides = haste is our good friend still !

[Stormcall]

I would recommend you use glyph of Earthliving weapon over riptide glyph,
.

Umm, you should be using both, actually.

[totemchaos]

I'd like to add that I found the Telluric Currents talent PAINFULLY underwhelming in current gear level. At the cost of 1400 mana and regenerating little more than 2000 mana, I found I regenerate mana a little faster just by standing still and not casting.

Maybe with the right stats you can get more of a benefit out of this, but I find it a heck of a gamble to waste that time casting when you're low on mana and can even miss for no regen (good chance on a raid boss).

Yes but think of it this way... even if ur only getting 600 mana back per lightning bolt... its approximately 1200mp5 as lightning bolt would have about a 2.2-2.3 second cast with haste... granted if ur targeting a raid boss there would be a dropoff on it due to lack of hit rating even still i would imagine its around 800-1000mp5 for ur downtime... but ill have to admit alot of times its hard to find the downtime to effectively benefit from this talent

[Deleted]

I tried a spec with telluric currents and tbh I didnt find it worth it.
If I'm out of mana, then usually the other healers usually are as well, and whipe it anyways, it has never saved my raid.
I find the mana regen so poor, it feels like I get more mana back from not casting for a bit.
Might be my personaly feeling tough.

[Gungtah]

I actually love Telluric Currents.

I don't know how I would maximize my activity without it.

[Hypernetic]

So I didn't even know what thread to put this in, but I thought it was kind of funny.

I got DMC:T tonight, thanks to the generosity of a good friend.

Anyway, I swapped out my JoAR for it and lost a WHOPPING 3 mp5. I didn't expect much different, but really? The on use on jar + 3 mp5 is considered equal to 321 intellect by blizzard? Yes, I know that 321 int is contributing to my combat regen which is part of the reason I'm only losing 3 mp5, but it's also doing all the great stuff int does. The on use isn't even worth using unless you're in the last few percent of a fight.

What is my point? Jar should be redesigned or something.

[Revelations]

So I didn't even know what thread to put this in, but I thought it was kind of funny.

I got DMC:T tonight, thanks to the generosity of a good friend.

Anyway, I swapped out my JoAR for it and lost a WHOPPING 3 mp5. I didn't expect much different, but really? The on use on jar + 3 mp5 is considered equal to 321 intellect by blizzard? Yes, I know that 321 int is contributing to my combat regen which is part of the reason I'm only losing 3 mp5, but it's also doing all the great stuff int does. The on use isn't even worth using unless you're in the last few percent of a fight.

What is my point? Jar should be redesigned or something.

I haven't swapped Jar our for DMC yet.. considering doing so.. but then, I get the Heroic Jar next anyway.. Not sure, but swapping to DMC for the +321 int sounds very tempting.

[Deleted]

Non-heroic Jar isn't that great. Heroic provides a greater benefit. You sorta need to Use the Jar quite often to gain full functionality from it though. The extra ~290 mp5 from using it on every CD is quite significant. It's sort of like Tide; if you don't use it until you go out of mana, you're not getting the most out of it. Quite often I end up using mine in the first minute of the fight and popping it on CD from there on out, only really avoiding using it if Tide has less than 40 and more than 10 seconds left on it's CD.