Wow, Dungeons are Hard!

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To be Honest i found the BC Heros a lot Harder, at least some of them. Shattered Halls used to be Really fuck you up with that 7+ Mobs at Once Trash Groups and so on.
I also Remember back then mob groups draining me oom because i had to Shift out Of Tree Form to get rid of Poison everytime because you couldn't cure poison in Tree Form. Shadow Labyritnh was also really Tough at the Beginning. Not to forget the "one hit" Meteor Trash in Arcatraz

So i realy like the Difficulty of Cataclysm Heroics.

This, This, This!

Shattered Halls, Shadow Labs, Even Blood Furnace! They were all amazing heroic instances! Slave Pens and Underbog final Bosses were always hard too! Not moving out of Quaggmires Spray or Getting Bolted by Last Boss in the Underbog, Not to mention the Bog Lords hit like hell!

Bring back TBC heroic difficulty!

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very informative and very truthfully, ghostcrawler!

Well done, you motivated me to play this game anew... I was about to insert a long pause, because its kinda boring and my friends think so too and don't play anymore (maybe one hour per week), but one of them already has his account frozen (I wanted to do the same)

Maybe it's just an imagination and it will again be very boring if I start playing anew, but maybe not... my guild is active and slowly prepared for raids, so maybe you (greg) have brought new hope into the game, because cataclysm was somehow boring and uninteresting in contrast to two previous extensions.

[Santti]

The heroics arent even that hard. I've pugged all of them multiple times with little to no problem. Learn to communicate with your group and you can make it through anything.

[MasterHamster]

Thanks Ghostcrawler you killed all intrest in this game for me.

I'm almost laughing to tears, yes, good ol' WotLK heroics were the peak of WoW gaming. It's terrible that you might have to use that excuse between your ears for once inside a 5man.

[Surfd]

Most heroics are usually considered difficult due to what I have come to call "threshold checks". For example, In grim Batol, Erudax is an absolute nightmare on heroic if your dps can barely manage to get down the adds. Once your dps have enough gear that they get past that threshold and can kill the adds without much difficulty, the fight itself becomes a cakewalk.

The VAST majority of heroic encounters that people consider difficult all boil down to that. The rest fall into the category of "Mechanic check" where the fight is only difficult because someone does not know how to deal with interupting / ccing / not standing in bad stuff.

And that is it.

Threshold check encounters will always be easy after a certain gear level is exceeded which pushes everyone over the threshold. Mechanic checks will still kill people regardless of how much gear they have (no amount of gear will save you from standing in defile or a shadowtrap) and these two simple facts will never change.

[raivyne]

Funny, all I hear is "Learn to play your class, noobs. This is how."

This is just a L2P issue, that's all. I really hope Blizzard doesn't back down. Doesn't sound like they will.

agreed. most of the people crying right now are people who got to skate by with good gear w/out actually learning how to play.

[Vetali]

They should make you read this instead of requiring that you have 329 average item level before doing heroics.

[MorphexEU]

Already zerging through it <.<

[lichslaped10]

ya we just aoe a lot of them down on my dk and my ilvl is 357

[Deleted]

Hmm if im not mistaken, then some af the HC i wotlk where hard right after u dinged 80 aswell? - thats atleast how i remembered it... and so it is again? wtf is the problem? - the cata HC will be just as easy when we reach a surdent gear lvl..

[Kajel728]

As always it just seems as though Blizzard's way is the only way. That Blizzards way is the right way and everyone else is just wrong when they don't agree with them.

Whenever they want to defend their actions they'll always refer to "it's vastly overstated in the forums" whenever players disagree with them. And let's not forget, it doesn't matter what they do or how bad they do it, there will always be players who will rush to blizzards defense on each and every single time. The same ones who think blizzard can do no wrong.

Typical.

[Chadwixx]

I agree with keeping heroics hard. The problem is they are making it harder to heal and tank while ranged dps can be player with one hand.

Balancing just isnt there currently, its 5 times harder to play a melee class than it is a ranged. Take stonecore for example. First boss, melee cannot kill the adds. 2nd boss melee can barely reach him to attack when in air (similar to nef's design, not a big deal though in stonecore). Third boss the ranged doesnt even have to move while melee dies if they dont and lose alot of dps time on the boss. 4th boss gets really hard for ranged, they have to move out of a void zone!!!

[anthell]

They should make you read this instead of requiring that you have 329 average item level before doing heroics.

LOL LOL LOL

anyways.. ive always been chainpulling heroics even in pugs... for those struggling atm.. trust me... heroics gets overgeared so damn easily
the only time i cc is when they actually have one or 2 healer in a pull...

[Chaya]

*claps*
Can i get an hurray for GC?

/clap
there you have it.
Stay away with the nerfs blizz! Awesome clarification post

[Kajel728]

if you say TL;DR you only prove you're an ignorant tot who shouldnt play this game. Read!!! i know most of you (ok some of you) can!

Ya' think?

[Ciraa]

Tanking is Cata is awesome and the dungeon finder tool works very well. I don't mind pugging at all and aside from a few times I always finish the dungeon in a reasonable amount of time. People need to learn its ok to give advice and ask questions about encounters. From my experience if someone says "I've never been here" at least 2 other people start explaining it and make sure everyone knows what to do.

[Iosif]

That's a lot to read. Anyone with a TLR?

EDIT: :/ Well, sorry for my impatience.

This is why bad players will stay bad, they wont invents the time to read about their class, dungeons, fights and how to do things right.

[Champloo]

Heroics were easy as a freshly dinged 85. This game is not hard. No idea why people continuously complain and complain when they change anything.

[Santti]

As always it just seems as though Blizzard's way is the only way. That Blizzards way is the right way and everyone else is just wrong when they don't agree with them.

Whenever they want to defend their actions they'll always refer to "it's vastly overstated in the forums" whenever players disagree with them. And let's not forget, it doesn't matter what they do or how bad they do it, there will always be players who will rush to blizzards defense on each and every single time. The same ones who think blizzard can do no wrong.

Typical.

What are you suggesting then? I'm curious, honestly. You obviously disagree with something about the post, but what? And I'm not one of those people, blizzard screws up all the time, just look at Tol Barad.

[Herecius]

Dammit Ghostcrawler, first you make me want to punch you, then you make me want to hug you.

Why do you do dis thing