Shadow Priest Trinket list

[Fantarius]

This is something I've been working on and so far has only been on our guild website. So now I figure it's time to share my numbers with the MMO Community Shadow Priests. Feel free to comment and ask questions. Thanks for looking!

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Some of you may look at this and be like wtf!? What the hell is PP??? Normalized, Intellect is our Best stat therefor has been given a stat value of 1.0. So other stats are given a Per Point value of Intellect.

State Value as of 4.0.3a:
Intellect 1.0
Spell Power 0.7935
Haste 0.5031
Crit 0.4040
Mastery 0.3857
Spirit/Hit 0.3741
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4.0.6 Mastery Buff - Shadow Orbs benefit from mastery has been increased by approximately 16%
So giving this a 16% value increase this is what we see for Mastery Values

4.0.3a 0.3857
increase of 0.061712
4.0.6 0.447412 (Mastery Value of 0.45)

Changing Stat values as follows:
Intellect 1.0
Spell Power .79
Haste 0.50
Mastery 0.45
Crit 0.40
Spirit/hit 0.37

I'm probably not doing the Mastery math right, but I guess it is possible.
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Darkmoon card:Volcano
321 Mastery ->Reforged->128 Haste 193 Mastery
1201 Fire Damage proc + 1600int 12sec

(Proc numbers)
Destro Lock Log 1 = 9 Proc avg 3352, 108sec Buff Uptime over 414sec roughly 26%
Destro Lock Log 2 = 9 Proc avg 3480, 108sec Buff Uptime over 410sec roughly 26%
Destro Lock Log 3 = 5 Proc avg 3270, 2 proc crit avg 5969, 96sec buff Uptime over 365sec roughly 26%

(Live Values)
128 haste = 64 PP
193 Mastery = 73.34PP (4.0.6 Projected 86.85PP)
1600 Intellect per 12sec@26% Uptime = 416PP
553.34 Total PP Value, excluding damage proc which avg around 30k total damage. (4.0.6 Projected 566.85)
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Gale of Shadows (Normal)
252 Haste = 126PP
15SP stackingx20>300SP 100% = 240PP
366PP Total Value
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Gale of Shadows (Heroic)
285 Haste = 142.5PP
17SP stackingx20>340SP 100% = 272PP
414.5PP Total Value
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Figurine - Jeweled Serpent
285 Intellect = 285PP
1425SP 15% Uptime 209SP avg =167.2PP
452.2PP Total Value
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Witching Hourglass (Heroic)
285 Intellect = 285PP
1710Haste 17% Uptime 290.7 avg = 145.35PP
430.35PP Total Value
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Bell of Enraging Resonance(Normal)
321 Critical Strike rating ->Reforged - > 128 Haste 193 Crit
128 Haste = 64PP
193 Crit = 77.2PP
1926SP 20% Uptime 385.2 avg = 304.308PP
446.508PP Total Value
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Bell of Enraging Resonance(Heroic)
363 Critical Strike ->Reforged -> 145 Haste 218 Crit
145 Haste = 72.5PP
218 Crit = 87.2PP
2178SP 20% Uptime 435.6 avg = 344.124PP
503.82PP Total Value
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Theralions Mirror(Normal)
321 Intellect = 321PP
1926Mastery 20% Uptime 385.2 avg = 146.376 (4.0.6 Projected 173.34)
467.376PP Total Value (4.0.6 Projected 494.34PP)
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Theralions Mirror(Heroic)
363 Intellect = 363PP
2178Mastery 20% Uptime 435.6 avg = 165.528 (4.0.6 Projected 196.02)
528.528PP Total Value (4.0.6 Projected 555.02)
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Heart of Ignacious(Normal)
77SP stackingx5 @385SP 99% Uptime>381.15 = 301.1085PP
321Haste stackingx5 @1605 15% Uptime>240.75 = 120.375
421.4835PP Total Value
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Heart of Ignacious(Heroic)
87SP stackingx5 @435SP 99% Uptime>430.65 = 340.2135
363Haste stackingx5 @1815 15% Uptime>272.25 = 136.125
476.3385PP Total Value
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Vibrant Alchemist Stone
301 Intellect + Red Socket(+10 Int bonus) Brilliant Inferno Ruby > 351 Intellect = 351PP
194 Haste Rating = 97PP
448PP Total Value
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Soul Casket
321 Mastery reforged 128 Haste=64PP /193 Mastery=73.34 = 137.34(4.0.6 Projected 150.85)
1926 Spell Power 15% Uptime 288.9 avg = 228.231
365.571PP Total Value (4.0.6 Projected 379.081)
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Stump of Time
321 Hit Rating reforged 128 Haste=64PP/193 Hit rating=71.41PP = 135.41PP
1926 Spell Power 16% Uptime 308.16avg = 243.4464PP
378.8564PP Total Value
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Best Trinkets by PP Score:
#1 Darkmoon Card:Volcano: 553.34
#2 Theralions Mirror(Heroic): 528.528
#3 Bell of Enraging Resonance(heroic): 503.82
#4 Heart of Ignacious(Heroic): 476.338
#5 Theralions Mirror: 467.376
#6 Figurine-Jeweled Serpent: 452.2
#7 Vibrant Alchemist Stone: 448
#8 Bell of Enraging Resonance: 446.50
#9 Witching Hourglass(Heroic): 430.35
#10 Heart of Ignacious: 421.483
#11 Gale of Shadows(Heroic): 414.5
#12 Stump of Time: 378.856
#13 Gale of Shadows(Normal):366
#14 Soul Casket: 365.571

[New]

Great list based on some solid facts and logic. Certain trinkets will switch positions depending on the length of the fight, but since fight length isn't always predictable you kind of have to pick a position and run with it. That is why people have seen multiple Best in Slot trinket lists on various forums. However, this gives people a pretty good idea of what to go for. Kudos for your hard work.

[zsun]

Nice list, can you also include the Stump of Time and Soul Casket into that list? Just to compare where they stand.

[Fantarius]

Updated the list to include Stump of Time and Soul Casket.

[Fantarius]

Updated - Added Stump of Time and Soul casket, also added Normal Gale of Shadows to the list of Top Trinkets.

[Worshaka]

Your logic on the new stat weights is flawed, you can't just add 16% to the old weight... the weights are a relational measure of how each relate to Int, the fact mastery is being buffed means the stat weight will change by stats all dynamically work together in different ways at different levels. What needs to occur is for simcraft to update the changes and parses to be run that determine new stat weights, any other sort of napkin type math to work out stat weights based on patch notes are not going to be anywhere accurate.

The other bad thing you've done is used stat weights based on BiS 372 gear... something you don't have nor does 99.99% of the people on these forums. What's more relevant is how the stats behave with 359 gear, and if you look at simcraft results for that you'll notice Int > Haste > hit = crit > mastery. There is no way hit is as poor as you make out.

[Fantarius]

What's more relevant is how the stats behave with 359 gear, and if you look at simcraft results for that you'll notice Int > Haste > hit = crit > mastery. There is no way hit is as poor as you make out.

Rather than making claims, why not post the proof? You've got balls to bash on 3 hours of work without proof.

I will also add that these values are determined on a player that is at the 17% Hit cap.

[New]

I wouldn't expect you to redo your calculations, but to anyone reading this thread who is interested in evaluating the ideas in this thread:

Priest_Shadow_T11_359 LIVE: 20770dps

		Int	Spi	SP	Hit	Crit	Haste	Mastery
Scale Factors	2.8056	0.9634	2.1907	0.9568	1.0608	1.2927	0.9845
Normalized	1.0000	0.3434	0.7808	0.3410	0.3781	0.4607	0.3509

Priest_Shadow_T11_372 LIVE: 24009dps

		Int	Spi	SP	Hit	Crit	Haste	Mastery
Scale Factors	2.9239	1.1495	2.3276	1.1550	1.2603	1.5670	1.1271
Normalized	1.0000	0.3931	0.7960	0.3950	0.4310	0.5359	0.3855


Priest_Shadow_T11_359 PTR: 24518dps

		Int	Spi	SP	Hit	Crit	Haste	Mastery
Scale Factors	3.2948	1.2640	2.6265	1.2528	1.2202	1.4218	1.3843
Normalized	1.0000	0.3836	0.7972	0.3802	0.3704	0.4315	0.4201

Priest_Shadow_T11_372 PTR: 28429dps

		Int	Spi	SP	Hit	Crit	Haste	Mastery
Scale Factors	3.4850	1.4826	2.7107	1.4842	1.4299	1.7274	1.5609
Normalized	1.0000	0.4254	0.7778	0.4259	0.4103	0.4957	0.4479

[Fantarius]

Hey New,
could I see the Profiles you used? Did you use "infinite mana=1" ? What was the ES Uptime of your Simcraft?

[gaymer77]

One value about your calculations is wrong. Spirt/hit is assumed you reforge out of in all situations so the value is always 60% * 0.3 (which is the "value" of hit before hit cap) for a "needed for hit calculation and a second calculation of 0 for the spirit/hit is put in for each piece with spirit or hit on it. Items with hit (and now spirit too) have always had 2 values and the ranking value always goes off assuming you aren't using the piece for hit.

Also if you look on shadowpriest.com, they aren't even touching the new value for mastery & my guess is because its not getting buffed tbh. Its still a crap stat for shadow because its too RNG based in pve while in pvp you are moving quite a bit and the getting hit from melee helps to proc an orb too. As far as assuming that its a flat 16% buff (number is still wrong because last build had the post-buff nerf number being 11.6% as stated in the PTR notes) that wouldn't mean that the value of the stat would increase 16% too because, again, its RNG based.

[New]

Both profiles are the pre-determined BIS profile lists from the makers of simulation craft.

the 359 is:
head=mercurial_hood,type=cloth,stats=281int_512sta_208mastery_188haste_1016armor,reforge=m astery_spirit,gems=ember_shadowspirit_20int_20spi_30crit,enchant=60int_35crit
neck=wyrmbreakers_amulet,stats=190int_286sta_127spi_127crit
shoulders=mercurial_shoulderwraps,type=cloth,stats=233int_380sta_149spi_169haste_938armor, gems=67int_10haste,enchant=50int_25haste
chest=mercurial_robes,type=cloth,stats=301int_512sta_198spi_218crit_1251armor,gems=67int_2 0int_20haste_20spi,enchant=20all
waist=belt_of_arcane_storms,type=cloth,stats=233int_380sta_169haste_149crit_704armor,gems= 20int_20haste_40int_20haste
legs=mercurial_leggings,type=cloth,stats=301int_512sta_188spi_228haste_1094armor,gems=20in t_20haste_40int_20int,enchant=95int_55spi
feet=slippers_of_moving_waters,type=cloth,stats=233int_380sta_169spi_149haste_860armor,gem s=40int,enchant=50hit
wrists=bracers_of_the_burningeye,type=cloth,stats=190int_286sta_127spi_127haste_547armor,e nchant=65haste
hands=mercurial_gloves,type=cloth,stats=233int_380sta_149crit_169mastery_782armor,reforge= mastery_spi,gems=67int,enchant=65mastery
finger1=signet_of_the_fifth_circle,stats=190int_286sta_127mastery_127haste,reforge=mastery _spi,enchant=40int
finger2=security_measure_alpha,stats=190int_286sta_127spi_127crit,reforge=crit_hit,enchant =40int
trinket1=theralions_mirror,stats=321int,equip=onharmfulcast_1926mastery_10%_20dur_100cd
trinket2=heart_of_ignacious
back=haunt_of_flies,stats=190int_286sta_127crit_127haste_625armor,enchant=50int
main_hand=incineratus,stats=146int_219sta_97mastery_97haste_1954sp,reforge=mastery_spi,enc hant=power_torrent,weapon=dagger_1.80speed_583min_1082max
off_hand=book_of_binding_will,stats=190int_286sta_127haste_127hit,enchant=100int
ranged=finkles_mixer_upper,stats=107int_161sta_72spi_72mastery,reforge=mastery_hit

372 is:
head=crown_of_the_twilight_queen,type=cloth,stats=351int_617sta_244haste_264crit_1136armor ,gems=ember_shadowspirit_20int_20spi_30int,enchant=60int_35crit
neck=wyrmbreakers_amulet,heroic=1,stats=215int_322sta_143spi_143crit
shoulders=mercurial_shoulderwraps,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_171spi_191haste_ 1009armor,gems=67int_10haste,enchant=50int_25haste
chest=mercurial_vestment,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=345int_578sta_247crit_227haste_1346armo r,gems=67int_20int_20spi_20int,enchant=20all
waist=xtron_duct_tape,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_191spi_171crit_757armor,gems =20int_20haste_40int_10int
legs=mercurial_leggings,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=345int_578sta_217spi_257haste_1177armor, gems=20int_20haste_40int_20int,enchant=95int_55spi
feet=treads_of_liquid_ice,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_171spi_191mastery_925arm or,reforge=mastery_haste,gems=40int,enchant=35mastery
wrists=bracers_of_the_dark_mother,type=cloth,stats=209int_344sta_133spi_153mastery_612armo r,gems=40int,enchant=65haste
hands=mercurial_gloves,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_171crit_191mastery_841armor ,reforge=mastery_spi,gems=40int,enchant=65mastery
finger1=security_measure_alpha,heroic=1,stats=215int_322sta_143spi_143crit,reforge=crit_hi t,enchant=40int
finger2=signet_of_the_fifth_circle,heroic=1,stats=215int_322sta_143mastery_143haste,reforg e=mastery_spi,enchant=40int
trinket1=theralions_mirror,heroic=1,stats=363int,equip=onharmfulcast_2178mastery_10%_20dur _100cd
trinket2=heart_of_ignacious,heroic=1
back=shroud_of_endless_grief,stats=209int_344sta_153mastery_133haste_699armor,reforge=mast ery_spi,gems=67int,enchant=50int
main_hand=twilights_hammer,heroic=1,stats=165int_248sta_110crit_110haste_2207sp,enchant=po wer_torrent,weapon=mace_2.30speed_840min_1560max
off_hand=book_of_binding_will,heroic=1,stats=215int_322sta_143haste_143hit,reforge=hit_spi ,enchant=100int
ranged=finkles_mixer_upper,heroic=1,stats=121int_181sta_81spi_81mastery,reforge=mastery_ha ste

Infinite mana was not used. The lowest % any profile reached was 40% total mana. Empowered Shadows up-time was 97% across all profiles tested.

[Twintop]

I recomputed the values for the trinkets listed by the parent, but with New's updated ilvl 372 values:

Rank	Name					TOTAL		Int	Spi	SP	Hit	Crit	Haste	Mastery		Proc
1	Darkmoon Card: Volcano			565.8943	416					128	193		1201 fire damage (not included in total)
2	Theralion's Mirror (Heroic)		558.10524	363						435.6	
3	Bell of Enraging Resonance (Heroic)	500.13158			435.6		218	145		
4	Theralion's Mirror (Normal)		493.53108	321						385.2	
5	Heart of Ignacious (Heroic)		469.913895			430.65			272.25		
6	Figurine - Jeweled Serpent		451.25475	285		213.75						
7	Vibrant Alchemist Stone			447.1658	351					194		
8	Bell of Enraging Resonance (Normal)	442.24606			385.2		193	128		
9	Witching Hourglass (Heroic)		429.09999	285					290.7		
10	Heart of Ignacious (Normal)		415.798245			381.15			240.75		
11	Gale of Shadows (Heroic)		405.7265			340			285		
12	Stump of Time				385.335148			308.16	193		128		
13	Soul Casket				374.60072			288.9			128	193	
14	Gale of Shadows (Normal)		358.2564			300			252

[New]

Great stuff. Hopefully you have this saved as a template somewhere and could just input new stat values as they update through the patch. I'd be interested in an updated list after 4.0.6 hits (once we're sure on all the changes of course).

[Fantarius]

Looks Fantastic Twintop. I probably won't update my list til 4.0.6.

Out of Curiosity I ran a Simcraft on my current armory profile, which is only an avg iLvl of 355. At only 14.09% Hit rating.

These are LIVE values.
Int Spi SP Hit Crit Haste Mastery
Scale Factors 2.7181 1.1304 2.1182 1.1149 1.1067 1.4438 1.0442
Normalized 1.0000 0.4159 0.7793 0.4102 0.4072 0.5312 0.3842

Int = 1.0
SP = 0.7793
Haste = 0.5312
Spirit = 0.4159
Hit = 0.4102
Crit = 0.4072
Mastery = 0.3842

If anyone was curious how stats weighed out at a medium gear level under hit cap.

[Deleted]

Noob question. Can anyone tell me what RNG means? Thank you

[Giliandrix]

Random Number Generator.

[Twintop]

Fantarius and New -- something that I've noticed from the sim outputs on ShadowPriest.com and here (sans your latest post, Fantarius) is that in almost all cases Hit is given a higher PP value than Spirit. Why is this? I would think that Spirit would be higher than Hit since 1 Spirit = 1 Hit (1 Spirit = 1.03 Hit for Humans) and Spirit also gives us regen. Is it just the sims outputing PP values that are acceptable within a confidence interval?

[New]

The simulations will find the stat weights by running different scenarios with*+-200 of a stat to find it's affect on DPS. In terms of Hit/Spirit, the number you see is the DPS you loose by subtracting one hit rating.

The slight differences between Spirit/Hit are a result of how the statistical analysis is done and are not anything to be concerned about.

Also, Simulation craft does not factor in the utility factor of Spirit's out of combat regen as it's not a DPS concern. I will find out how the human racial is accounted for in simulation craft, but I know it is considered in some way.

[Kaesebrezen]

You'd probably want to rerun your simulations with the _PTR.simc profiles, since those have the new 54 Int/Critdmg meta gems and not the 54 int/mana meta.
But i believe #1 and #2 on the list won't change.

[New]

Using the Newest simulation craft profiles, PTR settings, and Burning Shadowspirit meta:

Priest_Shadow_T11_372_PTR Mastery Preference: 29650dps

		Int	Spi	SP	Hit	Crit	Haste	Mastery
Scale Factors	3.5954	1.4648	2.8056	1.4649	1.5817	2.0751	1.5092
Normalized	1.0000	0.4074	0.7803	0.4074	0.4399	0.5771	0.4198

Priest_Shadow_T11_372 Crit Preference: 29746dps

		Int	Spi	SP	Hit	Crit	Haste	Mastery
Scale Factors	3.6419	1.5381	2.8413	1.5658	1.5587	2.2275	1.5826
Normalized	1.0000	0.4223	0.7802	0.4299	0.4280	0.6116	0.4346

The switching of the importance between Mastery and Crit in the two profiles is probably a result of neglecting secondary stats. In the first example, avoiding Crit entirely has devalued Mastery and increased Crit's value. The second shows a devaluing of Crit by avoiding Mastery, causing Mastery to increase in value.

I'm continuing tests in this areas as we speak.