How is your dps? 4.0.6

[Deleted]

How do demo locks feel about succy being the highest dps now? As the one spec I haven't played since cata, I feel like I'd be miffed to give up my felguard.

The Felguard is still used on certain fights like Maloriak/Cho'Gall or actually any fight that have adds clumping up. Personally I think it's nifty and quite cool switching pets on the fly - Fx. Atramedes, I swap from Succy to Imp during airphases and bosses where my Soul Shard/Demon Soul cooldown allow it, I swap to Imp during the Execute phase for Imp Demon Soul.

So, personally I like it.

On-topic:

Feeling a boost on single-target DPS as of now.

[BuryGnome]

Fire Mage. ilvl 362(360). Totally no difference. Our main spells are cheaper. The mastery buff didn't change a thing.

EDIT: Oh., yeah. Locks QQ thread. didn't notice, sorry

[jibbyjackjoe]

Fire Mage. ilvl 362(360). Totally no difference. Our main spells are cheaper. The mastery buff didn't change a thing.

Go way fire Mage, you aren't getting my dark intent!

Seriously though. We lovethat you're still good, but were talking about your red headed step cousin :P

[Glnger]

srsly. where was my FM in wotlk. I'm holding a grudge!

[Deleted]

>> People please stop posting stuff like
"24k dps. nothing changed".
Need a spec, a boss fight, and possibly a WoL otherwiser you are just not contributing anything to this thread. And someone get the mages out of this thread....

Affliction :
Yah it sucks. I was trying to refrain QQ before the patch as Gherkin sugegsted we'd all be fine since we win 2GCDs every 2 hours. But yeah ..... ran last night a full clear of BWD minus Nefarian ... and yeah there is no point running affliction really. Maybe Halfus, as you have 3 targets, but on 2 target fights, destro is far superior. the lack of haste on soulswapped DoTs is just abysmal.

Of course I could take Halfus fight, but you can't really judge that as warlocks either a) go for personal dps and apply SE to all targets, thus resulting in more recount epeen but, the warlock is not focusing on the correct target or b) focus on current target and just soulswap to spread dots. Resulting DPS is much lower, but thats your role in the fight sooo .... I don't like looking at Halfus.

So I looked at Atramedes. Atramedes was insane as affliction ... dots refreshed while in the air, and felflame spam anytime you have to do one step left / right / and all the way spam during airphase... Yeah it was myself and spriests toppping the meters usually, pre 4.0.6 because well, that fight is just completely made for us.
So yeah Affliction atramedes last night and ... nothing . 16k dps. Might have dropped SE here and there, but yeah. sucked big time. The loss of haste is simply massive.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/f...?s=5034&e=5461
Just god damn awefull

Destro seemed ok ... Not great but ok. On par with before. Admittedly i could have played it better last night, i'm used to affliction .... hate destro ... not a mage.

Seeing other talk about demo being ok now, might try it.


TL;DR :
Affliction sucks now.

[Certin]

Actually i raided as affliction last night, still did ok, had fun and still made it on top on some fights.

i just dont want to play destro ive felt it to be more of a button bashing playstyle and i just dont enjoy that.. if my raid will try to demand me to i will say no.

Affliction for life!

[lightgil]

demo lock here

in my daily heroic my numbers were ok but I think it was because of that buff they my daily was VP and I had 22k on first boss 18k on 2nd and 20k on 3rd.

In bh I had 18k and some spriest in the group had 22k

I feel as though my single target is around the same maybe a little less and my aoe dropped a bit.

[Jacus]

Done BoT yesterday as destro 356 item level
In general a slight boost on dps, ISF is much easyier to keep without the internal cd and it stacks with BL now (something I didn't notice straight away).
So a positive patch in my opinion

[Jenerena]

I might as well post logs then if numbers aren't enough:
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/nsu5bvbdqi99x8il/

This is the best I've ever done as destro, though I played a lot better last night than previous nights (changed my ui a bit, not as much tunnel visioning, etc). The ISF change is great - I no longer have to worry so much about the timing - this caused quite a bit of tunnel visioning of my timers because of the 15 sec ICD. Now I can refresh it early if I need to move, and if I cast it too early I don't get punished. The overall feel of destro is much better, and I really enjoyed playing it.

I'm looking forward to trying demo on friday on Nefarian - mostly for the playstyle change. Again, from playing on the dummies, not casting soul fire feels so much smoother already.

[Norzaki]

>> People please stop posting stuff like
"24k dps. nothing changed".
Need a spec, a boss fight, and possibly a WoL otherwiser you are just not contributing anything to this thread. And someone get the mages out of this thread....

Affliction :
Yah it sucks. I was trying to refrain QQ before the patch as Gherkin sugegsted we'd all be fine since we win 2GCDs every 2 hours. But yeah ..... ran last night a full clear of BWD minus Nefarian ... and yeah there is no point running affliction really. Maybe Halfus, as you have 3 targets, but on 2 target fights, destro is far superior. the lack of haste on soulswapped DoTs is just abysmal.

Of course I could take Halfus fight, but you can't really judge that as warlocks either a) go for personal dps and apply SE to all targets, thus resulting in more recount epeen but, the warlock is not focusing on the correct target or b) focus on current target and just soulswap to spread dots. Resulting DPS is much lower, but thats your role in the fight sooo .... I don't like looking at Halfus.

So I looked at Atramedes. Atramedes was insane as affliction ... dots refreshed while in the air, and felflame spam anytime you have to do one step left / right / and all the way spam during airphase... Yeah it was myself and spriests toppping the meters usually, pre 4.0.6 because well, that fight is just completely made for us.
So yeah Affliction atramedes last night and ... nothing . 16k dps. Might have dropped SE here and there, but yeah. sucked big time. The loss of haste is simply massive.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/f...?s=5034&e=5461
Just god damn awefull

Destro seemed ok ... Not great but ok. On par with before. Admittedly i could have played it better last night, i'm used to affliction .... hate destro ... not a mage.

Seeing other talk about demo being ok now, might try it.


TL;DR :
Affliction sucks now.

I've tried to post it earlier in "Does new ISF affects DoTs.." thread, but it doesn't seem to get any reaction from mmo-champions (which is kind of hard to explain). Looking at logs I see that DoTs ticks damage was silently nerfed (may be a bug?).
Take for example Eiffeltower's logs pre and post 4.0.6 on Atramedes:
02.02.11:
Corruption 104 5269.4 548018 82 10493.5 860464 06:41 (94.1 %) -
Unstable Affliction 118 5504.6 649542 61 11486.2 700656 06:26 (90.6 %) -
09.02.11:
Corruption 105 5020.7 527177 70 9881.6 691711 06:44 (94.5 %) -
Unstable Affliction 103 5289.4 544812 73 11153.5 814206 06:44 (94.5 %) -

It is consistent reduction of DoTs tick damage on all logs that I checked.
for Destro, damage of dots (except for BoD) seems unchanged only because the dots are affected by 8% ISF buff.
And it only seems to affects all DoTs with exception to BoD. The rest of spells are not affected by this nerf(bug?).

Anyone else see a problem here? Check your logs pls and see it for yourself.

[tyden49]

I've tried to post it earlier in "Does new ISF affects DoTs.." thread, but it doesn't seem to get any reaction from mmo-champions (which is kind of hard to explain). Looking at logs I see that DoTs ticks damage was silently nerfed (may be a bug?).
Take for example Eiffeltower's logs pre and post 4.0.6 on Atramedes:
02.02.11:
Corruption 104 5269.4 548018 82 10493.5 860464 06:41 (94.1 %) -
Unstable Affliction 118 5504.6 649542 61 11486.2 700656 06:26 (90.6 %) -
09.02.11:
Corruption 105 5020.7 527177 70 9881.6 691711 06:44 (94.5 %) -
Unstable Affliction 103 5289.4 544812 73 11153.5 814206 06:44 (94.5 %) -

It is consistent reduction of DoTs tick damage on all logs that I checked.
for Destro, damage of dots (except for BoD) seems unchanged only because the dots are affected by 8% ISF buff.
And it only seems to affects all DoTs with exception to BoD. The rest of spells are not affected by this nerf(bug?).

Anyone else see a problem here? Check your logs pls and see it for yourself.

Very interesting surely blizz wouldnt silently nerf us as well.

[wusamata]

I've tried to post it earlier in "Does new ISF affects DoTs.." thread, but it doesn't seem to get any reaction from mmo-champions (which is kind of hard to explain). Looking at logs I see that DoTs ticks damage was silently nerfed (may be a bug?).
Take for example Eiffeltower's logs pre and post 4.0.6 on Atramedes:
02.02.11:
Corruption 104 5269.4 548018 82 10493.5 860464 06:41 (94.1 %) -
Unstable Affliction 118 5504.6 649542 61 11486.2 700656 06:26 (90.6 %) -
09.02.11:
Corruption 105 5020.7 527177 70 9881.6 691711 06:44 (94.5 %) -
Unstable Affliction 103 5289.4 544812 73 11153.5 814206 06:44 (94.5 %) -

It is consistent reduction of DoTs tick damage on all logs that I checked.
for Destro, damage of dots (except for BoD) seems unchanged only because the dots are affected by 8% ISF buff.
And it only seems to affects all DoTs with exception to BoD. The rest of spells are not affected by this nerf(bug?).

Anyone else see a problem here? Check your logs pls and see it for yourself.

I tried to refute this in the other thread, but i'll post my own logs which disprove it:

After 4.0.6 = http://worldoflogs.com/reports/hjo6s...?s=9657&e=9984

Before 4.0.6 = http://worldoflogs.com/reports/1wh6x...s=9999&e=10372

As you can see, corruption and immolate clearly tick for more.

[Norzaki]

wusamata, did you also regem on 4.0.6? Because its clear you changed your trinket on 4.0.6. If you check buffs gained - 4.0.6 have Volcanic Destruction 8 87.3 26.6 % # which is not present in 4.0.3.

Adding volcanic trinket as new on 4.0.6 didn't disprove anything... sorry

here is another destro loc on 4.0.3 vs 4.0.6 from EU forums who did not change any gears between two runs (Dóctor)
destruction, same encounter same boss one day later:
4.0.3
/reports/rt-nkn2zo98zh9i6531/details/24/?s=13164&e=13589
4.0.6
/reports/rt-q7job9y46khzr7ct/details/12/?s=7239&e=7645

4.0.6 he have new ISF that increases spells damage by 8%. Every spell got damage increase with exception to:
Burning Embers - correct according to patch notes (damage reduction of Burning Embers)
Immolate and Corruption
4.0.3:
Immolate 113 4514.5 510144 36 10202.4 367287 04:53 (69.0 %)
Corruption 111 2432.5 270003 38 4780.7 181665 05:13 (73.5 %)
4.0.6
Immolate 72 4544.9 327231 35 9196.7 321886 04:15 (62.9 %)
Corruption 96 2369.4 227458 34 4502.9 153100 05:02 (74.3 %)

I've checked lots of other logs (can send reference to at least 20 of such logs) - most of them completely random that shows the same.

[wusamata]

Here's another... different fights, but neither has damage modifier mechanics..

After 4.0.6 = http://worldoflogs.com/reports/hjo6s...=12525&e=12722

Before 4.0.6 = http://worldoflogs.com/reports/2i6ho.../?s=876&e=1199

Volcano trinket present on both. No other gear changes (except the nerf to offhand enchant with 4.0.6, yet dots still tick harder)
I dunno.. i'm just not seeing what you are reporting when I look at my personal outputs.

[Deleted]

Yesterday on BW descent it all felt pretty okay, locks were still on top on most of the fights, but the "underdog" came closer, especially warriors and ret palas. Mages are still horrible.
I somehow managed to badly underperform on nefarian, we had a few attempts, i did my best as always and still ended up with 3k less dps than the usual, i still don't have a clue why.

[Maeno]

Anyone notice any super strong conflag crits under the effects of demon soul? I never seen my conflag crit for more then 30k on Chimaeron. Right at the start of the fight I crit for 50k. I opened up with demon soul + soul fire -> Immolate -> corr -> conflag. I also notice I only get those numbers during demon soul.

[Deleted]

I played demo last night - BH - Magmaw - Omitron - Maloriak - Atramendes 25.

20 k BH (used to do 21k as destro)
21.3k Magmaw (23k on destro last week)
18.5 k Omitron (used to do 22k + here as destro)
17.5 k Maloriak (used to have 22k on destro; still this was total fail, this fight is DESIGNED for demo but I had dc and missed 1 green phase and more)
14.5 Atramedes (used to have 16-17k as destro, but I was on gongs also... and I do stop 1-2 sec be4 Searing, so I can make sure I hit exact on time for the nasty debuff not to stack up)

It was my 1st day as demo in Cata and I did it since we didn't had Elemental Shaman or Other demo lock... so 4% SP in a 25 man it's a lot. I used to play demo for 1 whole year in ICC and even after 4.0 hited the servers (with mecanic change). Still I'm sure I was a little rubish and I need more practice to get back in the game.

Still, compared with the raid "average" it wasn't really bad and the raid buff it may have worth it. Still, on destro i used to be 1st dps on most of the fights... and I have to play destro again to compare with my old destro results.

What I've seen between the other guildmates: retri palas, boomkins, shadow priests were higher than usual... and our affliction lock was a lot lower.

[nocturnus]

Mages are still horrible.

Obviously your mages are horrible. After patch there's no way you can come close to spriest, mage, moonkin, fury and hunter single target dps. 21k sustained I can manage without too much struggle. 25k dps (what our spriests, mages and moonkins were doing) is a bit to much for me to manage. We are the underdogs now.

[Souper friend]

I feel like my demo demage has changed dramatically and there is a noticable difference in damage between demo and destro. Destro blow demo out of the water from my perspective and im not happy about that. i really dont wanna main spec destro. most lame and boring spec IMO for a warlock.

[Norzaki]

Here's another... different fights, but neither has damage modifier mechanics..

After 4.0.6 = http://worldoflogs.com/reports/hjo6s...=12525&e=12722

Before 4.0.6 = http://worldoflogs.com/reports/2i6ho.../?s=876&e=1199

Volcano trinket present on both. No other gear changes (except the nerf to offhand enchant with 4.0.6, yet dots still tick harder)
I dunno.. i'm just not seeing what you are reporting when I look at my personal outputs.

This is however different encounters (different bosses). And damage can varry from encounter to encounter...
Do you have reports pre and after on the same boss without changing gears?