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    Ask the Devs - Answers #5: Achievements

    Ask the Devs - Answers #5: Achievements
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)

    Q: When will achievements finally be awarded account-wide? – Larosh (Europe [German]), Eneia & Payasos (Europe [Spanish]), Rageudder & Kellgros (Europe [English]), Деадхил (Europe [Russian]), Nyn (North America/ANZ), ****무나 (Korea)

    A: Making achievements Battle.net account-wide is something we'd like to do, but it's not a goal we could provide a current timetable for. All of the original World of Warcraft coding was done with the expectation that the data on every realm would always be independent. Now that we are trying to make as many things as possible account-wide, we’re having to rebuild all of those systems. It is absolutely something we want to do, but it will take a lot of time away from other features.



    Q: Will we ever be able to spend our achievement points on something? Or will there be a feature where it will be required to have x amount of points? – Nordicberry (Europe [English]), Hogosha & Wulkuhr (Europe [German]), Neroth (Europe [French]), Kularia (Northa America/ANZ), Trafalgarlaw (Latin America)

    A: We want Achievements to remain as an optional thing you can do as bragging rights, or to challenge yourself. As soon as we add any kind of player power, or use them to gate anything, then they feel mandatory for a lot of players. In fact, we think one of the reason achievements are fun is that the drive to complete them is totally up to you, which keeps them (hopefully!) from feeling like a chore. If you want to go after some achievements that's a choice, and choosing not to care about achievements doesn't mean you're making your character less powerful.

    We do offer pets, mounts and titles for specific achievements, and we’re unlikely to ever do anything much more “mandatory” than those.



    Q: Do you plan to implement more achievements directly linked to professions or classes? – Cith (Europe [French]), Tsuteymanga (Europe [English]), Sergan (Latin America)

    A: Until we can do Battle.net account-wide achievements it would be pretty cruel of us to offer achievements for say Illustrious Grand Master Alchemy, Blacksmithing and Jewelcrafting on the same character. The same is true of classes. The best we could to today would be to have something like “Land a Pyroblast for X damage” and have an equivalent one for all 10 classes, since you could get only one. We do have more room with the guild achievements, since not every task needs to be completed by one player. We’ll continue to look for fun achievements for Cooking, Fishing, First Aid and Archaeology until then.



    Q: Will we ever see a change to the Warsong Gulch and Arathi Basin exalted achievement /reputation grinds? While normally a fan of time consuming achievements, these two seem to be a tad excessive. Warsong moreso as you can go entire games without gaining any reputation at all. You could in theory lose every AB you ever do, and eventually get exalted at a "reasonable" pace. Perhaps award rep for Flag returns, killing efcs, capping bases, HKs similar to Alteracy Valley, etc. – Idkmybffyata (North America/ANZ), Lunaticheart (Korea)

    A: We think those are fine as achievements. They definitely take a huge time commitment, but so do some of the other achievements. And you don’t need to get them for the meta achievements.



    Q: As some achievements like The Keymaster and the Shen’dralar reputations have been removed, have you considered creating a Feat of Strength for those achievements or is it possible that we get them back in the future like normal achievements? – Enarhion (Europe [Spanish]), Деадхил (Europe [Russian])

    A: We added a Feat for Exalted Shen’dralar rep in 4.1. We’re unlikely to add a Keymaster feat.

    We added the Keymaster achievement and then almost immediately decided to deemphasize the existence of keys in the game, and thus removed the achievement. Unfortunately it probably isn't even possible to track who had the older keys now.



    Q: Guild Achievements related with professions are much more difficult than other Guild Achievements. Is there any plan to give a chance for small guilds to get those Achievement rewards? –*미** (Korea), Joq (North America/ANZ)

    A: We think some of these are way too high and we plan on lowering them to more sane numbers for 4.1. The Pen is Mightier glyph achievement for example would have been reasonable with the old glyph model but is ridiculous today. We were waiting to collect some additional data from guilds currently working on those achievements, but we feel like we have enough information now to lower them. Pen is Mightier for example will go from 25,000 glyphs to 2,500 in 4.1.



    Q: I'd like to see the achievement system become more active and dynamic, will we ever see achievements that unlock quest lines, dungeons, or other Easter egg content as a reward for dedicating so much time in Azeroth? – Grandevil (North America/ANZ)

    A: Probably not. As we said above, we want Achievements to feel optional. Some players don’t care for the game of collecting pets or mounts, so they still feel like they can opt out of achievements. If there was a cool quest line involved, then players who felt like they could safely ignore achievements in the past would now have to go back and play catch up. If you are doing achievements today, it should be because you like to do them, not because you’re hoping for some additional reward to materialize in the future.



    Q: Currently, the achievement rewards are more focused to common tasks, such as raids, events, PvP. Have you considered creating achievements with rewards that ask to do crazy things around the world, like for example, soloing bosses or mobs, or more achievements like the “Jenkins” one, that are meant to do crazy things. – Thodyr (Europe [Spanish]), Khaelthas (Europe [French]), Assmira (Europe [German])

    A: We like for achievements to be fun, but we don’t want for players working on achievements to have a huge negative impact on other players. At first glance, soloing a boss mob might sound like a decent achievement. But consider that if the achievement is very easy to do then hitting all those dungeons may just feel like a chore. On the other hand, if it’s challenging to do then we suddenly have to go back and worry about class balance in a way we never had to before. Blood DKs for example excel at soloing older bosses because of their self-healing mechanic, but the same isn't true of most other classes and specs. We try not to have achievements that require you to ask your group to do something really bizarre or not fun. “Run a dungeon without picking up any loot,” would just be frustrating every time you had to debate with your group whether you were going for the achievement or not. “Jenkins” is a fun for a silly achievement, considering its history, but too much of that sort of thing would get tedious pretty quickly.



    Q: Will we ever see a "search" feature in the achievement window? That's a lot of achievements to search through if you're looking for something specific. – Grandevil (North America/ANZ), Lonik (Europe [Spanish])

    A: Yes, this is something we plan on doing. The current UI makes it hard to find specific achievements. There are several places in the current UI that could benefit from a smarter search.



    Q: Will you ever bring back the mounts for achievements that were removed (Naxx Glory runs) as you didn't remove the later mounts? – Joyia (North America/ANZ)

    A: This is a tough one. On the one hand, we know there are a lot of players who would still like to get their hands on these mounts. On the other hand, we were pretty clear that they would only be available for a limited time, and we hate to go back on our word because we know some groups went through heroic efforts to get them before the door closed. This is the kind of thing that is not set in stone and player feedback might eventually convince us to change our minds.



    Q: The Achievement reward for “What A Long, Strange Trip It's Been” still remains as a purple proto-drake, which is a WotLK model. How about coordinating the color of the reward upon each expansion theme? – Shory (Korea)

    A: The issue with meta-achievements like this is deciding how to structure them for the future. Do current players with the achievement just get a new mount every expansion? Do the old mounts go away and the new mount replaces it? Do we require you to just do one additional holiday and now you can get a second mount? We added Long Strange Trip when achievements first went in the game, and we didn’t always do a great job of designing some achievements with expandability in mind. If we had made the Long Strange Trip reward a protodrake at level 80 and then had a new achievement for doing the holidays again at level 85 that rewarded a different drake, then we might have some easily expandable content. We didn’t do that though, and it’s hard to go back and mess with existing achievements, especially ones that were hard to complete.



    Q: There are still no Achievements beyond “Collect 75 unique companion pets”. Can I expect a reward for 100 companion pets in the future? – Whitewnd (Korea)

    A: Patch 4.1 has achievements for 100 and 125 companions. Those particular achievements don’t reward pets, but we’ll probably do another reward at some tier in the future, perhaps 150 or 200 pets.



    Q: Are we going to see more PvP achievements that reward mounts? Currently most of the cool mounts are awarded for PvE achievements. – Demodras (Europe [English])

    A: PvP achievements are even trickier to design than PvE achievements because it’s harder to come up with something cool to do that doesn’t make the experience worse for everyone else. You don’t want to see the one dude who is trying to engineer capturing and losing a flag twenty times in one BG just so he can get the achievement for capturing a lot of flags. As a result, many of the PvP achievements are just for winning a lot of Arenas or BGs, which we feel already come with a lot of rewards. On that note, we are adding unique ground mounts to winning Rated Battle Grounds similar to the flying mounts you get for excelling at Arenas.


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    Presumably, they'll group cross server heirlooms with BoA achievements. Not the most interesting one, though it's good to see them admit the flaws in the system.

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    Fuck those stupid people who ask every time if they can spend their achievement points. ITS NEVER HAPPENING, STOP ASKING EVERY CHANCE YOU GET.

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    need rare achievement -.-

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    I got the Keymaster achieve on my hunter in WotLK, and now someone from somewhere w/ a "blue" label tells me that's hard to track my keys........come ooooon......Blizzard again is BSing everyone. So, it's not hard to delete achieves and take my $15 per month, but it's hard to recover, ha ? So, where is my refund ?

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    Boo Hiss at no new pet rewards for the new pet achievements I was really hoping they would!... Oh well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormrage View Post
    Fuck those stupid people who ask every time if they can spend their achievement points. ITS NEVER HAPPENING, STOP ASKING EVERY CHANCE YOU GET.
    I woudn't be a fan of "spending" achievement points but if something was implemented like.. if you have 5000 achievement points you get a tabard that says just.. 5k on it, that'd be awesome. Something more special for higher achievement points like the over 9000 achievement, something that was removed with an expansion maybe or when a ton of new achievements come out, like they did with Ulduar"

    No need to get angry over it though

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    This is the kind of thing that is not set in stone and player feedback might eventually convince us to change our minds.

    :OOOOOOO

    PLAYER FEEDBACK, LET'S GO, MOMMA NEEDS HER PLAGUED PROTO

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    yay my question was answered ^^,

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    When u reach over 9000 your mail box gonna be flooded w/ 9000 stacks of rotten stinky fish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montao View Post
    I got the Keymaster achieve on my hunter in WotLK, and now someone from somewhere w/ a "blue" label tells me that's hard to track my keys........come ooooon......Blizzard again is BSing everyone. So, it's not hard to delete achieves and take my $15 per month, but it's hard to recover, ha ? So, where is my refund ?
    You pay $15 a month to collect keys?
    BfA Beta Time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swizzle View Post
    You pay $15 a month to collect keys?
    Yes....I don't pay now, but the problim is that I did in the past rofl

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    Do people actually go for achievements?! Wow. Gratz on getting yellow text lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keleri View Post
    This is the kind of thing that is not set in stone and player feedback might eventually convince us to change our minds.

    :OOOOOOO

    PLAYER FEEDBACK, LET'S GO, MOMMA NEEDS HER PLAGUED PROTO
    Agreed, everyone go and feedback that we want the proto-drake and then no one will use it ever again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swizzle View Post
    You pay $15 a month to collect keys?
    Yea this would only work if you weren't registered on MMO forums. You don't get to do this .

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    I do have to admit that the keymaster announcement there is dissapointing.
    That excuse is poor since not only was there an existing achievement which did the tracking, but there have been previous achievements for no-longer existing mechanisms converted into feats of strength, such as for weapon skills or now unavailable currencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keleri View Post
    This is the kind of thing that is not set in stone and player feedback might eventually convince us to change our minds.

    :OOOOOOO

    PLAYER FEEDBACK, LET'S GO, MOMMA NEEDS HER PLAGUED PROTO
    ME TOO.

    (It is why I asked the question after all. I just want them to be frigging consistent! Is that too much to ask?!?)

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    Here's a question: When are you going to de-link soul-crushing guild achievements with items that are so useful for raiding that they are pretty much mandatory? For instance, fishing 10,000 fish from pools in order to get the "good" feast or making an obscene amount of flasks in order to get cauldrons.

    I love the idea of the other types of rewards being tied to achievements. Please keep these sort of items away from them in the future.

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    Blizzard say it's hard to track who had the Keys, but there's an NPC in the major cities who you can talk to who can replace any lost keys you might have. I went and talked to them after the Shattering removed my Keymaster title + the keys and got back 99% of the ones they took away (Scholo, ect).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alieta View Post
    need rare achievement -.-
    This. A new rare-achievement was the thing I was most excited for Cataclysm... but no, there is no achievement. But I already killed everyone I can kill, except for the Camel-Mob, so...

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